Polygamy is very bad, oh yes!

Says Catherine Bennett:

The British government, with its theological hat on, frets that some rulings may be “contrary to the teachings of Islam”.

Now, hundreds of women’s human rights campaigners, in an open letter to Theresa May, express the fear “that many vulnerable women simply will not want to give their testimony before theologians who legitimate and justify the very idea of sharia laws on the grounds that it is integral to their ‘Muslim identity’”.

Indeed, they point out, “the panel is set up much like the sharia ‘courts’ themselves”.

That being the case, Chaiwala is right: the future of British polygamy is beginning to look quite promising.

Amusingly:

She was formerly married to Robert Sackville-West[1] (1985–92).

And:

Humphrys married Edna Wilding (August 1942 – September 1997) in 1964 and they had two children, a son and daughter, Christopher and Catherine.[4] This marriage broke down in the late 1980s.[4] Wilding died of cancer in Glamorgan, South Wales; Humphrys described her last days in a hospice in his book Devil’s Advocate. Humphrys’s son Christopher is now a professional cellist.[4]

On 2 June 2000, when he was 56 years old, Humphrys and his then partner, Valerie Sanderson, had a son, Owen James.[15] Sanderson was a newsreader with Spotlight then BBC News 24 and is now a radio producer. Humphrys had a reverse vasectomy. He referred to these facts on 31 October 2006 on BBC Radio 4 in the programme Humphrys in Search of God. He and Sanderson have since separated and he has been in a relationship with the journalist Catherine Bennett, a contributor to The Observer.[16]

A very strictly Catholic reading of that would have Bennet as both a polygynist and a polygamist.

30 thoughts on “Polygamy is very bad, oh yes!”

  1. RoP polygamy should be squelched in this country.

    Recognise their marriages and any more than one– jail for bigamy. Unlike the cowardly Krauts who have just legalised polygamy– for the RoP only of course. Talk about a death-wish.

    Don’t think they go in for living together but in any case no money for more than one woman and two kids plus only housing benefit enough to house one woman and 2 kids.

    The real jihad is demographic takeover–the gun/bomb clowns have no chance and are actually undermining their own rotten cause.

    Shutting down polygamy will change the 3 to one ratio of RoP breeding and help sink their game nicely.

  2. The Inimitable Steve

    Moreover, Chaiwala has admitted, the benefits are mixed for women. “There is not a woman on Earth who would be totally comfortable with it. Even the Prophet Muhammad’s wives showed signs of jealousy.”

    Alas, the Koran doesn’t say if he bought them a packet of sweets or a dolly to soothe their ruffled emotions.

  3. Ecksy,

    Shutting down polygamy will change the 3 to one ratio of RoP breeding and help sink their game nicely

    x women will have y babies regardless of how they are shared out.

    However, blokes who think they have no chance of getting a bird are more likely to spontaneously explode, hence enforcing a one each system is a good idea.

  4. Keen to learn a new sin. I looked polygynist up.

    Polygynist – 1 hubby multi wives
    Polyandrist – 1 wife multi hubbies
    Polygamist – 1 spouse multi spouses (or is the plural spice?)

  5. RDJ:Not if we are not subbing them they won’t.

    The average pay-for-yourself UK couple struggles to pay for two kids even with two jobs. Having to pay for a load of kids yourself isn’t so easy.

  6. The Koran describes a period where huge numbers of males had been killed in warfare leaving huge numbers of unsupported females, so the remaining males were enjoined to take responsibility for the females. In those days the method of doing this was to marry them.
    So, that is: in a time of warfare where there are lots of unsupported females the remaining males should take legal and financial responsibility for them. Not a situation that exists nowadays.

    (As an aside, when my great-grandfather was one of the generation mown down in France, the arrangement was that my gg-mother’s two maiden aunts lived next door and shared in bringing up my grandmother.)

  7. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    Since we have overturned the centuries-old definition of marriage in the Prayer Book, then I see no issue with introducing Polygamous and indeed Incestuous marriages. We are now actively discriminating against those other sections of society who wish to marry.

    (I would also suggest paedophile marriage, but I’m not sure how to get over the issue of legal consent for minors ).

  8. I would also suggest paedophile marriage, but I’m not sure how to get over the issue of legal consent for minors

    I’m quite happy for paedophiles to marry.

    Might stop them raping kids then. 🙂

  9. “I would also suggest paedophile marriage, but I’m not sure how to get over the issue of legal consent for minors.”

    Ask Harriet Harman.

  10. I don’t think I could handle more than 1. The household politics must be interesting. I suppose the man wants to try to play the wives off against each other lest they get wise that together they could manipulate him for their joint advantage. Once in Istanbul I visited this Sultan’s palace where he kept 200 odd women in a harem. Then one day, after being henpecked to insanity no doubt, he had them all put in sacks and chucked in the Bosphorus. I’d probably do the same in his shoes.

  11. If you want a warrior nation polygamy may be a good idea. In peaceful intervals you get lots of frustrated young men. i.e. recruits. After conflict you have lots of widows. But I can’t see it increasing the rate of overall population growth.

  12. This might be a bit chicken and egg. Does polygamy make violent nations or is polygamy a response to violence. There might be some historical surveys somewhere.

  13. I read the entire article before I read TW’s full comment. The question that kept returning was about Catherine Bennett’s martial history. Thankfully I didn’t have to bother wasting the time to find out. What a closed-minded piece this was.

    When, as so often happens, one wife starts to get a bit threadbare, or negative, you simply pick another

    And this is different from our divorce system how? At least with polygamy your husband can have his trophy wife without breaking up the children’s home.

    Moreover, Chaiwala has admitted, the benefits are mixed for women. “There is not a woman on Earth who would be totally comfortable with it. Even the Prophet Muhammad’s wives showed signs of jealousy.

    Jealousy is a problem in monogamous marriages as well. More importantly men get jealous too. The focus of women’s jealousy is misogynistic. I expect better from the Guardian.

    My take is that Ms Bennett’s entire argument is that those are not my beliefs and therefore they are wrong. Virtually every point raised can be easily refuted. For instance woman don’t not automatically gain equal rights just by virtue of being in a monogamous society. It wasn’t that long ago when women weren’t allowed to vote, be members of a jury, or even have a bank account in only their name.

    For most of human history, and in much of the world today women are better off in polygamous societies. The man that works harder or smarter is the one that is able to have multiple wives. Monogamy, on the other hand, is sexual welfare for men. Women are restricted from sharing the most successful men and thus end up with those who couldn’t be able to compete in a free marriage market. Ladies, keep up the hatred of polygamy as all men are better off with a good woman. Men, accept it as no matter how successful you are you have gotten laid because of it. In the end that is one of the three things we all want.

  14. Liberal Yank
    Citation needed.
    For most of human history… polygamous. Er no, rape.
    Richer men get more wives. Yes, but if they got them by murdering their competitors…
    Some women end up with losers. True. Would they be happier shut indoors?
    etc.

  15. I could have sworn the current meme is that it is the single men that are doing so much raping. Just because western societies have more equality doesn’t mean polygamy is the cause.

  16. Bloke in Costa Rica

    It isn’t ‘single men’ that are committing the rapes. It is a subset of them. To a first approximation, for example, no stranger rapes were committed in Malmö last year by persons not of the Mohammedan persuasion. I’m sure that’s dreadfully Islamophobic or whatnot, but that doesn’t stop it being true. And the Swedes can all dance around with their hands over their ears going “la, la, la, I can’t hear you” for a little while longer but not, I suspect, forever.

  17. “It is a subset of them.”

    Is that your criterion then?

    “no stranger rapes were committed in Malmö last year by persons not of the Mohammedan persuasion”

    A subset? Or *all* of them?

  18. The unfailingly interesting commentator Steve Sailed reckons that after black rights, gay rights, and most recently transsexual rights, the next one is polygamy. If gays can marry, why not multiple consenting adults?

    The fact that polygamy is popular with Muslims might put the brakes on that plan for a while, but ultimately it looks like where we’re headed.

  19. The Meissen Bison

    Liberal Yank: I expect better from the Guardian.

    You dear, sweet, old-fashioned thing, you.

  20. TMB,

    I assume that when I read a Guardian article equal rights for women will be important. Ms Bennett claiming polygamy can’t work because women are too weak to control their emotions does not fit the narrative.

  21. Ms Bennett, went to Oxford (tick), writes for Guardian and Observer (tick, tick). In relationship with Senior BBC journalist (tick). Previously married to man with 365 room mansion (tick). No wonder she can write a spoof Mrs Cameron’s diary

  22. Personally, as an anglo-saxon bloke, the biggest drawback of polygamy would be multiple mothers-in-law!

  23. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    Sorry I was all of Sunday, so pnly just rtuening to this

    Theo & zoophilia

    Falls down on the same issue of consent

    “Do you take this man to be your husband ?”

    “Woof !”

    “Is that yes or no ?”

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