Which party is she running for?

“In practice, they are drawn from the same, narrow social and professional circles as the executive team and – as we have seen time and time again – the scrutiny they provide is just not good enough.

“We’re the Conservative Party, and yes we’re the party of enterprise, but that does not mean we should be prepared to accept that ‘anything goes’.” Mrs May will say that she wants to create a society that “works for everyone”.

She will say: “Right now, if you’re born poor, you will die on average nine years earlier than others. If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white.

“If you’re a white, working-class boy, you’re less likely than anybody else to go to university. If you’re at a state school, you’re less likely to reach the top professions than if you’re educated privately.

“If you’re a woman, you still earn less than a man. If you suffer from mental health problems, there’s too often not enough help to hand. If you’re young, you’ll find it harder than ever before to own your own home.

“But, as I have said before, fighting these injustices is not enough. “Under my leadership, the Conservative Party will put itself – completely, absolutely, unequivocally – at the service of working people.

Her current electorate is the membership of the Tory Party. Is all of that actually what motivates them out in the shires?

If it is then we’re in greater trouble than I thought.

51 thoughts on “Which party is she running for?”

  1. What motivates most politicians is the necessity to develop simple catchy slogans full of virtue signalling … those damnable fat cats, poor white boys, oppressed minorities, improved mental health, blah, blah, blah. I can’t imagine it gets them out of bed in the shires. But then leadership is in short supply at the moment, and not just here in the UK.

  2. “If you’re a woman, you still earn less than a man.”

    If you want to /earn/ more, you have to /do/ more, or do something more valuable. I don’t know how this simple fact fails to get in. If I install three cookers and want to earn more I install four cookers. If I cook four cakes and want to earn more I cook five cakes. If I do 30 hours of doctoring and want to earn more I do 40 hours of doctoring. If I do day shifts and want to earn more I do night shifts. How hard is that to understand?

  3. The Inimitable Steve

    Terrible. Absobloodylutely awful, rank rotten, virtue signalling, tone deaf, soggy, smarmy, recycled, irrelevant, cliche-ridden guff.

    Apart from that I liked it.

  4. What she fails to say (deliberately?) is, you can’t deal with any of these issues unless you have a thriving economy, therefore making all these improvements to our society has to start there.

  5. She strangely seems to have ignored the fact that the greatest disparity in treatment by the justice system is the light treatment of women compared to the harsh treatment of men.

    #EqualSentencesForEqualCrimes

  6. Presumably the shire Tory party members don’t have a lot weighing on their minds. Worrying about the fate of poor white boys is as much virtue-signalling as writing a cheque to a donkey sanctuary.

  7. In this speech, which is guff, May is addressing the UK electorate as a whole. She is hoping that opinion polls will show Tory members that only she can win elections and that she has wider electoral appeal than Leadsom.

    Out here in the shires, the reaction to her speech from Tories will not be dissimilar to Inimitable Steve’s, except they’d say: ‘Apart from that I liked it, because it shows she knows how to win elections.’

  8. “I’m not convinced that’s what the leavers were voting for,”

    The only thing we can be certain leavers were voting for is leaving the EU. Nothing more and nothing less.

  9. Oh, I think we can reasonably infer more than that Theo. For a start, Mr Cameron had promised to immediately trigger Article 50. I think therefore we may say that people voted for a sharp exit rather than years of dawdling around as Mrs May intends.

  10. Just as those Scots who voted Leave (the UK) would have expected it to be expedited with good speed.

  11. My wife is convinced that this is all part of Boris’ plan. Without him running there’s no clear winner (whether or not there would have been if he was running is another question…) so things remain a bit divided, the party is not looking as good as it could, etc. Come the next general election, the conservatives lose, the leader stands down. Then up steps Boris to take over and win the following one.

    Not sure that I’m quite on board, but it’s an interesting idea. I’m not convinced that either May or Leadsom would be a good thing

  12. IanB

    Individual members of the electorate will have been influenced by many and different things said or not said in the referendum. The only hard empirical evidence we have as to their preferences is that a majority of people voted to leave the EU. Nothing more and nothing less. Any other conclusions are speculation and/or wishful thinking.

    I don’t believe a May government would get away with “years of dawdling around” over Brexit. And if Leadsom withdrew her candidacy, May could be getting on with the job of brexit.

  13. The Inimitable Steve

    Apart from that I liked it, because it shows she knows how to win elections

    Does it, Theo? I honestly dunno. I suspect voters have heard this type of advertising jingle so often that they tune it out. It’s political ambient noise.

    Mebbe there are folks out there in constituencyland thinking “FINALLY, a politician who is in favour of Hardworking Families™!”

    But I bet the law of diminishing returns applies to political rhetoric as well.

    Anyway, as far as electability goes she could be Cicero in kitten heels and it wouldn’t fix her charisma deficit. You just need to look at Theresa May to know she’s a horrible old cow.

    Sorry, but it’s true.

  14. Bloke in North Dorset

    “‘Apart from that I liked it, because it shows she knows how to win elections.’”

    Indeed. Generally speaking Tories put winning elections above ideology, whereas Labour seems to prefer to spend its time discussing ideological purity on the opposition benches.

  15. “In this speech, which is guff, May is addressing the UK electorate as a whole. She is hoping that opinion polls will show Tory members that only she can win elections and that she has wider electoral appeal than Leadsom.”

    So what’s the point of winning the election, Theo?

    “Out here in the shires, the reaction to her speech from Tories will not be dissimilar to Inimitable Steve’s, except they’d say: ‘Apart from that I liked it, because it shows she knows how to win elections.’

    Ah, so that’s it? Our team wins.

    And, no doubt there’s plenty of people in the Labour Party want to evict Corbyn & install someone will do exactly the same.

    This is why the public have become sick & tired of politicians. Why the Tories are just as much the enemy as Labour

  16. “If you’re black, you’re treated more harshly by the criminal justice system than if you’re white.”

    So, why haven’t you done something about it in the 5 years that you’ve been Home Secretary?

  17. David Moore

    But it is what many of the Remainers look to be governed by – regardless of popular desire……

  18. bloke in spain,

    “Ah, so that’s it? Our team wins.”

    That’s why I never liked Cameron. Unlike Thatcher or Blair, i never saw even a spark of “this is what I want to do with the job”. And I don’t see it from Boris or May. It seems so pointless to chase a job with power but with no idea about what to do with it.

    It’s why I’m rather annoyed about Gove not getting on the ballot. He’s the only politician I’ve seen in the Tories for years that I thought was doing his job, which is making sure that the bureaucracy did its job. He pissed off teachers? That’s a very good sign of someone who is fixing things.

  19. Inimitable Steve

    My impression is that many people want to hear that guff – particularly in marginal seats where the Limp Dicks are the challengers to the Tories (and where the election will be won or lost). The political sogginess of many people never fails to amaze me, and 16m soggies voted for Remain.

    And you are largely right about May. However, she’s better than Leadsom, who when addressing the 1922 Committee’s hustings began her speech by talking not about brexit but cranial massage for babies! FFS, cranial massage for babies! Leadsom’s blog is full of cringeworthy notions and sentimental drivel – like the multi-culti crap I quoted here a few days ago:
    http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/a-tory-mums-recipe-for-a-perfect-british-society/27

  20. “Right now, if you’re born poor, you will die on average nine years earlier than others.”

    Dumb bint. This is – by definition – unknowable.

  21. BiS
    The point of the Tory party, as I see it, is to be a bulwark against socialist and left-liberal economic idiocy. In that sense, it is the lesser of two evils (or the least of several evils). It is not prudent to let the Tory party disintegrate until Labour is destroyed as the official opposition. The SNP have done part of the job. UKIP could finish it, but I fear that is unlikely without Farage at the helm.

  22. The problem is, Theresa May’s only interest is Theresa May. Plus, she had not given a moment’s thought to post-Brexit Britain until two weeks ago. Which is why she has no idea what to do and will delay and prognosticate. Plus, she puts us in an automatic mindset of weakness, trying to hang onto the past (e.g. the Single Market). She’ll be a disaster to lead us out.

    There are all sorts of qualifiers regarding Leadsom, including as you point out the sentimental baby claptrap. On the other hand she got early support from Steve Baker MP (the parliamentary libertarian) and John Redwood, which are pretty good indicators for me. No doubt her advisors will be telling her to drop the backbencher type single issues.

    In political terms, this point has to be the end of the Blairite Consensus which Cameron was the fag-end of, just as Thatcher was the end of the post-war consensus that Wilson/Heath/Callaghan were the fag-end of. None of which was explicit in the EU vote, but it seems inescapable to me that that is where we are.

    “I wouldn’t start from here”. But we are here. It simply mustn’t be May. Not now. Maybe in another situation. But not now.

    Let us not forget that John Major was the “unity candidate” put in place by the Europhile grandees, and look where that ended up.

  23. Yeah cos blogs are what it is all about Theo.

    I wonder what Alexander the Great would have had on his blog should such a thing have been possible.

    Advice about not getting drunk and then murdering your friends? The Top Ten Tips For Boy Love? Don’t burn a capital city unless you really mean to? Or Napoleon’s blog. Apart from the odd battle the major interest of his declining years was trying to find cures for baldness.

    So blogs are obviously everything.

    And again with the May “experience”–of what? Failure, sell-out and crass bungling. And as for multi-culti crap she was just spewed a yard of ale full. Which obviously doesn’t count because its the multi-culti crap of a “w(h)inner”.

    May has nothing to lose in this situation but the rest of us do.

    The only reason the remain MP gang are backing her is they know she is a sell-out. And so do you .

  24. ‘if you’re born poor, you will die on average nine years earlier than others’
    ‘Dumb bint. This is – by definition – unknowable.’

    Maybe but still, I dunno, I quite believe it.

    You’re born poor often because your parents are thick, and if your parents are thick then often you are thick, and thick people do stupid things, eat badly, have fights in pubs, drink too much, smoke too much etc.

    The answer is complex but mostly involves supporting marriage (I’m not sure how) and identifying those poor people with potential and helping them to achieve it through good education.

    I don’t myself mind less capable poor people dying earlier, if they enjoy their lives. The left wants to keep them poor and also to take away all the fun stuff which makes poverty for thick people bearable.

  25. ‘“I wouldn’t start from here”. But we are here. It simply mustn’t be May. Not now. Maybe in another situation. But not now.’

    The thing is, how bad will Leadsom be? If Leadsom is horrific, and I can see she might be, and she gives the parliamentary party a media/public opinion-backed excuse for revolt, you could see no Brexit that way, whereas May has pledged to Brexit and would do so (assuing she’s being honest) as a reasonably safe pair of hands. Fuck it, I don’t know. Gove should have won.

  26. From the earlier “liberal party ” thread.

    Says Theo: “May’s authority would rest not only on her experience but also on the perception that she is able to win elections – and so safeguard the seats of the resentful remnants. Leadsom might appeal to the core vote, but she’s a vote loser overall: IDS in drag.”

    This is a side point –the main one is below–but May has won exactly nothing. The perception she is a w(h)inner is entirely yours Theo. She is an old, tired , not-too-well bat who sees a last chance for the Purple and her name on the list of PMs. She will sell-out the UK voters to the EU to get that and is assisted by the remain gang who support her.Screw the verminous remain MPs and their “resentment”. They are treasonous BluLab CM scum parachuted in by The Heir and if it was up to me they would be lucky to escape with their lives and the clothes they stand up in –never mind the seats they think themselves entitled to.

    To recycle:A contradiction–May is well in with treacherous remainers yet can still deliver Brexit– but those same treacherous remainers won’t support Leadsom–because why again Theo?

    How is a true Brexit delivered by the Fat-Arsed Flower any less despicable to the remainer Tory treachers than Brexit delivered by Leadsom?

    Aye–there’s the rub. Why should they be more on board with pissing on their putrid remainder selves under May’s leadership than Leadsoms?

    Because Fat-Arse has promised them a stitch up and either lied or bribed the supposed Brexit commandos.

    There would be a big electoral price–but how long does May have to go? A few years as treacherous PM and she still gets a better pension, the cash-based gratitude of the EU and some small kudos of having been PM for a short time. Even the Bottler can cash in on that a little. May will not suffer if BluLab are rousted to hell in 2020.

    Now to the main point

    Hear Theo yesterday : “As for the Tory party, it is not safe to let it disintegrate until Labour is destroyed as the official opposition. The SNP have done part of the job. UKIP could finish it, but I fear that is unlikely without Farage at the helm.”

    And today: “The point of the Tory party, as I see it, is to be a bulwark against socialist and left-liberal economic idiocy. In that sense, it is the lesser of two evils (or the least of several evils). It is not prudent to let the Tory party disintegrate until Labour is destroyed as the official opposition. The SNP have done part of the job. UKIP could finish it, but I fear that is unlikely without Farage at the helm.”

    Theo wants to save the Tory Party and I believe, is willing to see Brexit flushed to do it. He simply isn’t daft enough to believe that May will deliver a true Brexit but doesn’t care. Is ZaNu such a danger that it is worth losing the best thing that has happened in decades? For Theo it seems so.

  27. Interested: “The thing is, how bad will Leadsom be? If Leadsom is horrific, and I can see she might be, and she gives the parliamentary party a media/public opinion-backed excuse for revolt, you could see no Brexit that way, whereas May has pledged to Brexit and would do so (assuing she’s being honest) as a reasonably safe pair of hands. Fuck it, I don’t know. Gove should have won.”

    It isn’t up to the fucking MP remainer scum. They approved and supported a referendum cos they were sure they would win. Any trouble from them now is no different from the bogus petition, the blubbering London kidult march or the lawdog-wielding hairdresser.

    The moves possible are legion. Use no-vote-needed administrative law–which they have been happy to use on us for years–to make MP recall a reality now and throw in pension confiscation. These MP twats are rotten middle-class CM pricks not the bulldog breed. They will collapse like a kicked over sandcastle.

    Above all Article 50 must go in. The remain gang would not be behind a real Brexit with May any more than a real Brexit with Leadsom unless they know the fix is in with May.

  28. Sometimes in life you have to take a calculated risk.
    Or to put it another way, Thatcher was a risk, but Heath had to go.

    A sentimental, naive lightweight like Leadsom is a much bigger risk than the experienced May. Look at Leadsom’s car crash hustings, her car crash interview with The Times, her (reportedly tearful) “shock” at the rough ride she’s getting for her naïve comments…and there’s the rich seam of crap on her blog which Labour will mine diligently.

    And replacing Heath with Thatcher was nowhere near such a risk as Leadsom. First, because she had been Education Secretary and had experience of Cabinet government. Second, because she was being elected as Leader of the Opposition, not as PM.

    Andrea Leadsom is no Margaret Thatcher, and it is preposterous to even hint that she is. Leadsom is a type you can find in many Conservative Associations – the opinionated professional woman who revels in her maternal role and her a specialist subject but who becomes sentimentally authoritarian once she hears the cry of ‘What about the children?’. Just the mere mention of – say – legalising drugs or prostitution would give one of these incurious matrons the vapours.

  29. Theo, as ever you’re great for a laugh. For reasons I’m not sure I’d particularly want to understand, you’re fully behind May. So, rather than ignite your passions, let me try an analogous situation viz not rewarding known wrong-uns: 2003, massive protests against Iraq invasion; invasion goes ahead; architects of invasion re-elected. I remember seeing many, many comments in the Graun – I was younger with a stronger gut – along the lines of ‘The Tory Party voted for war too, so I’m going to hold my nose and vote Tony’. Which they obviously did, leading to more Blair, then Brown.

    What would a lizard king learn from that? Well, apparently, you can launch aggressive attacks on other countries and, as long as you give them an excuse, battered lefties will always come back to Daddy, so you get to keep the Jag, the driver and the government payroll. Now imagine the message if the voters had actually sacked the bums in charge: all politicians would have seen that if you screw the people then bye-bye Jag, and back to the opposition benches for you. Oh, and that people’s concern for the lives of brown people wasn’t limited to a sunny stroll down Park Lane.

    So, frankly, when I see people make cynical justifications to support proven wrong-uns, I think they’re silly rather than sophisticated. Kick the known miscreants out, and those in waiting might just remember whom they serve.

  30. Now you’re in a world of fantasy Theo.

    No legalising drugs under Leadsom?

    When May has just pushed thro’ the Legal Highs crap–a piece of garbage so badly written that it had to be stopped for 3 weeks after it passed. It should have been dropped and forgotten altogether but I it was May’s arrogant and authoritarian nature that got it pushed thro’ despite it being utter crap. She has never seen a piece of tinpot tyranny she didn’t like.

    You are scraping through the bottom of the barrel now Theo.

  31. Ecksy

    I believe, [Theo] is willing to see Brexit flushed to do it.

    That is completely untrue. I believe completely in brexit and have argued for it for many years. I certainly wouldn’t preserve the Tory party at the expense of Brexit, but I have argued here quite reasonably that the destruction of the Tory party at this juncture could prevent brexit.

    And, for the reasons I’ve outlined, I think Leadsom as PM would be a disaster for brexit because she’s out of her depth. I point to the evidence for this, which is accumulating daily, and you simply deny it – ranting away about your fantasies of what Alexander the Great might have posted on the blog, or whatever.

    You might benefit from one of Leadsom’s cranial massages. She says they are very relaxing.

    Pip, pip!! I’m off for a long lunch.

  32. The Leadsom interview wasn’t a “car crash”. The media simply spun it as one. This can be done to anyone; they are choosing not to do it to May because they back her.

    May made her womb a political issue with a ludicrous Hello! style Mail article, remember. It was headlined with her childlessness. That could have been mercilessly pilloried; but it was not. Because the media want May.

    Which is all the more reason to suspect that Leadsom is the right choice.

  33. I wonder if Andrea will have her principles inscribed on a giant Leadstone? Her opponent could respond with a column, or Maypole.

  34. The destruction of the Tory Party could at worst delay Brexit, though more effective forces could build on that delay.

    As to the accumulating evidence of Leadsom’s unsuitability: this morning’s Google News had two links both titled ‘Leadsom apologises to May over motherhood remarks’ – one from the Guardian and one from the BBC. With such blatantly corrupt enemies, who’d need friends?

  35. I suggest a Mayfly would be more appropriate for Theresa’s principles; more than enough space, even for the revisions during its several days of life.

  36. Bloke in North Dorset

    Well, I was about to say that the one saving grace is that neither of them is a PPE graduate from Oxford but it looks like the argument is over.

  37. Yeah–she’s folded.

    If she is gutless enough to fold like this then maybe Theo was right. She would have won. Maybe some pressure, some dirty secret has been uncovered.

    The fix for sure is in–perhaps pressure on her family. Who knows.

    Now we will see if Theo was right about May’s intentions.

    Also time to write letters to Tory Central leaving no doubt about what their fate will be if there is a sell-out.

    And join the Tory party for a few years–not cos I give a shit but to ensure the boot goes in. Recall of fucking MPs will be the first step.

  38. Could Gove not come back in? I don’t profess to know the rules but if it has to go to the party on an either or basis?

  39. If all it took was a weekend of ‘abuse’ from the papers to make Leadsom pull out then I’d say we’ve dodged a bullet. She would have been eaten alive by the civil service let alone the EU bureaucracy.

  40. May is watching the Labour Party descend into a Bolsheviks vs Mensheviks civil war and is merely moving in to occupy the shell-cratered “middle-ground”. Not all Labour voters are bearded loony internationalists or “my father voted Labour so I will, forever” types.

    Given a choice between Corbyn, backed by actual violent extremists, and May cooing soothing words, quite a few are going to switch, or at least not vote.

  41. MattyJ
    Yes, well said.

    Ecksy

    If she is gutless enough to fold like this then maybe Theo was right.

    Thanks for conceding that. Leadsom was weak and flakey from the start. She is simply not up to the job of PM.; and she could not have done it with the support of only 84 out 331 MPs. The reality-based community could see all that: those blinded by paranoia and/or ideology could not.

    Also time to write letters to Tory Central leaving no doubt about what their fate will be if there is a sell-out.
    And join the Tory party for a few years–not cos I give a shit but to ensure the boot goes in.

    Absolutely right, Ecksy. Every brexiteer now needs to work hard at emailing MPs, writing to the PM, etc. And, yes, do join the Tories for a few years, too.

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