Close the Polytechnics

BLMUK describes itself as a network of anti-racist activists from across the UK.

The group said: “We stand in solidarity with the families and friends of all who have died at the hands of the British state. We take action because justice has not been delivered through conventional means: the police, the IPCC, the courts or the legislature.”

The campaigners said they aim to highlight “the struggle for black lives in the UK and £Shutdown state-sanctioned racialised sexism, Islamophobia, classism, ableism, homophobia and transphobia”, adding: “We fight for liberation.”

88 thoughts on “Close the Polytechnics”

  1. Possibly the greatest case of bandwagon jumping in the history of mankind.

    It shows that the problem is so minor in the UK that they have to rope in every other outgroup they can think of to give it meaning. This’ movement’ could only raise four people to block Heathrow and ruin thousands of families holidays.

  2. The problem is minor in the US too, compared to the main killers of black people – other black people. Hundreds dead in Chicago alone this year and no noticeable protest. It has fuck all to do with black lives.

    Not to mention, maybe the cops shoot young black guys because young black guys are pretty keen to shoot them.

    There have been egregiously bad examples of police misbehaviour, and many US cops seem gung ho and undisciplined (probably just scared), but there’s no concerted attack on blacks by cops. Plenty of examples of black cops shooting unarmed whites, too.

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    They’ve jet set up an organisation with as many people as they like without needing permission from anyone, not least the state. They’ve organised demonstrations and inconveniencd people going about their lawful business without attracting the attention of the riot police. They are getting free airtime and newspaper articles without having to submit to government censors.

    How much liberation do they need.

  4. It’s so tough in the UK that they felt safe lying down in the road, knowing they wouldn’t get run over.

    Ummmm…

  5. The problem is that their big cases – people like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin – have been shown to be built on fantasies (e.g. hands up don’t shoot).

    I never quite understood this institutionalised racism. It only seems to apply to Black Caribbean based men (largely). If these evil cops hate dark skinned people, if teachers are so anti dark skinned people, why aren’t they picking on Sikhs ?

    Most teachers, at high level anyway, will have come across several young people who use race as an excuse for everything “You wouldn’t give me a detention or whatever if I wasn’t black”. It’s bullsh*t, but it works, because morons outside will believe, encourage and persecute the staff for it.

    They create half the problems for those people with similar hues of skin colour. One of the cop bloggers made the point, that if he stopped a group of four white boys he might search them unofficially and quickly, whereas if it was four non white boys he might not – because no-one is ever going to hold him to account for an unofficial stop for whites, claim racism or harrassment, but they might for non-whites. It’s not who they are per se but what they’ve done, but the consequences of obsession with race.

  6. Isn’t it incredible that the British left jumps very rapidly on any loony American lefty idea, no matter how inapplicable it is to the UK…

  7. Maritime Barbarian

    I saw an analysis of the police shootings that showed whites were MORE likely to be shot while resisting arrest than black people.

    It’s gone so insane that someone in America was accused of being racist for insisting All Lives Matter.

  8. The BLM is an unpleasant group of racists. American blacks are shot and killed by the police at a far lower rate than their percentage representation amongst violent criminals. Do the police occasionally shoot unarmed innocents? yes. Is there any racism in this? no. Should Obama have told BLM to get lost? he should and his failure to do so is really indicative of how little leadership he shows. As for the UK BLM mob, they should be made a hate crime group and their participants prosecuted as such.

  9. Regarding the US: the important statistic is that unarmed black people are much more likely to be shot by police than unarmed white people.

    Yes, I get it, it’s rational for US police to be twitchier when confronting black people. But saying that doesn’t solve the problem. “Black Lives Matter” is a response to arguments which seem to say that it’s ok for police to shoot some unarmed black people because some other black people are armed. It’s not. Police in the US need to change the way the operate so that this stuff happens almost never.

    Specifically, if stopping Philando Castile for an allegedly broken taillight carried a significant risk of shooting him dead, then he shouldn’t have been stopped.

  10. Bloke in North Dorset

    Difficult one, Paul. Whilst I agree with your general point we know from work done in the Netherlands that tolerating low level crime and anti social behaviour breeds an attitude that leads to more low level crime and anti social behaviour.

    If someone had told us 20 years ago that the state would have had access to minature cameras that could be worn by the police we would have been up in arms about the threat to liberty and a police state. It now looks like putting cameras on police is going to go a long way to changing police behaviour in a good way.

    Cato also recently reported some good training initiatives that appear to be helping.

  11. I remember the Guardian and the BBC were desperately trying to whip something up over the shooting of Saint Mark of Tottenham, but even they soon realised it was hard work boosting a gun-running gang low-life.

    Looks like the BBC are trying again though. A concerted effort across both TV and the website yesterday.

  12. “Campaign group Black Lives Matter – or BLMUK – said it wanted to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the death of Mark Duggan”

    By being assholes. It’s what he would have wanted.

  13. SJW: ‘Specifically, if stopping Philando Castile for an allegedly broken taillight carried a significant risk of shooting him dead, then he shouldn’t have been stopped.’

    Why, yes. I can’t think that there’d be any negative consequences to allowing a protected class to roam around sure in the knowledge that they’d never be checked. Imagine how they’d enrich the lives of all the law abiding people in the neighbourhood.

    Were you born this ignorant, or did you have to go to a poly to achieve it?

  14. Nobody ever addresses the root problem, which is why black Americans choose to contribute so little to the economy.

  15. If these marxist scum chose to set up next to a busy road such as the one to Heathrow with their banners and their “Honk if you are a black gangsta or a white, white-hating, well-off, middle/upper class cultural marxist prick” signs– fine.

    As soon as the road was blocked they should all have been in the van and on their way to the copshop.

    The main problem with the BLM shite is the media focusing attention on them. Get rid of the BBC and remove all qualifications to be a journalist and I doubt much more will be heard of them.

    And the Purge of course to undercut and destroy all the lefts dirty/groundwork.

  16. ‘We take action because justice has not been delivered through conventional means: the police, the IPCC, the courts or the legislature.’

    IPCC ??? WTF?

  17. SJW: Typical fucking commie retard.

    The relevant statistic is that both ‘armed’ and ‘unarmed’ negroes are more likely to start shit with cops- try to beat up cops like Michael Brown, try to run cops over like this latest thug, pull out a High Point and start shooting- than whites and other groups.

    So.. while the negroes are attacking cops with deadly force, the cops use the most effective means they have for dealing with that. The idea that this is ‘wrong’ or ‘unfair’ could only make sense to someone who thinks that this TNB is just some sort of trial by combat between the niggly negro and the individual police officer, rather than a war between the forces of disorder and the forces of order.

  18. Mr Ecks: Yes.. but they also know that they’ll be allowed to get away with it.

    These people need to be treated as the inhabitants of 100 Sidney Street were. Those cretins didn’t repeat after being properly dealt with.

  19. SJW, and if he was stopped because both the car he was driving and it’s two occupants closely resemmbled a vehicle wanted after a local armed robbery ?

    Which was the facts in that case. Any comment on Trayvon Martin, tried to beat someone to death after ambushing him and was shot as a result, plus Michael Brown, tried to attack and disarm the policeman after having committed a robbery ? Great cult figures those.

    Black lives may well matter, but apparently not to other blacks.

  20. Why, yes. I can’t think that there’d be any negative consequences to allowing a protected class to roam around sure in the knowledge that they’d never be checked.

    I presume you’re talking about the police here?

    Because accepting “OBEY OR DIE!!” will ultimately lead to clearly illegal orders like trying to get blowjobs.

    (Note also the lack of mug shots in the article. I’d like to hope that it’s Los Angeles Times policy not to run mug shots, but a lot of online media, and certainly local TV, show the mug shots whenever non-cops get arrested. The process is the punishment.)

  21. Nobody ever addresses the root problem, which is why black Americans choose to contribute so little to the economy.

    Read this (you might prefer to scroll down a couple of screens to the Antonio Morgan story, which is the most relevant part).

    (The mouth-breathing racists here shouldn’t bother.)

  22. @SJW ‘Regarding the US: the important statistic is that unarmed black people are much more likely to be shot by police than unarmed white people… Yes, I get it, it’s rational for US police to be twitchier when confronting black people. But saying that doesn’t solve the problem.’

    But why are unarmed black people much more likely to be shot by police? Perhaps it is because the police work with black people in the projects, which you do not, and they know that black people in the projects are pretty dangerous.

    Black people in the US are very much more likely to rape, rob and murder white people in the US than vice versa. The US black violent crime rate is many times that of the US white violent crime rate.

    We can argue about why this is – personally, I blame your US counterparts for ruining black families via the welfare teat – but it is factually inarguable. To suggest that this will not affect a police officer’s behaviour and reactions is absurd. It would affect mine. It would affect yours.

    As to how we ‘solve the problem’, can I suggest that black suspects try to help by offering less resistance and complying with the lawful requests of police officers more readily? It wouldn’t be instant, and there would surely still be some tragedies (or crimes), but over time the police attitude and reaction to black suspects would come to mirror their attitude and reactions to suspects of other races.

    Cops of all races overreact and act badly and even criminally. It only becomes an issue of general importance if you can show a general attitude – ie racism – but you can’t, and the media can’t. It’s all individual examples, often with great variance in their facts, being stitched together to form a patchwork quilt of lies.

  23. Bloke in Wiltshire

    Paul,

    “I never quite understood this institutionalised racism. It only seems to apply to Black Caribbean based men (largely). If these evil cops hate dark skinned people, if teachers are so anti dark skinned people, why aren’t they picking on Sikhs ?”

    Because Sikh kids come to school with immaculate manners, behave and work hard. Because sikhs are hardly ever running drugs. I hung out with sikh and hindu kids at school. If any of them had beaten up a weak kid at school and got caught, their dads would have given them hell. If they didn’t work hard, they got hell.

    Most racism isn’t “hatred of brown people”. It’s not Klan racism. It’s about people trying to find data to make decisions. If the black kids at your school were generally trouble, what are you going to think? Are you going to hire a black person in your company?

  24. @SJW ‘(The mouth-breathing racists here shouldn’t bother.)’

    That’s rich. You’re the racist – you and people like you want black people kept poor and subservient on their modern day plantations.

  25. …because both the car he was driving and it’s two occupants closely resemmbled a vehicle wanted after a local armed robbery ?

    I saw something about that. Allegedly Castile “resembled” one of the two suspects in an armed robbery a few days earlier, in that he had a “wide-set nose”. As identified by a police office through a car window in the dark. And his female partner did not resemble the other suspect, who was male.

  26. Re SJW’s Antonio Morgan piece:

    The complaint seems to be that the police are racist for arresting him, and the system is racist for processing him post-arrest.

    ‘He has been arrested more than 20 times. All but two of those arrests were for misdemeanors.’

    He is twenty-nine.
    Twenty arrests.
    Are we saying the police should not arrest black people for misdemeanours, now?
    Rather than white social justice warriors in England answering that question, maybe we should ask the poor black people who live alongside this committer of multiple crimes.
    He’s just one bloke – a one-man misdemeanour factory.
    If he isn’t dealt with, do they also have to not deal with anyone else for their misdemeanours?
    How would you like to live in a street, or a town, where the police did fuck all about low level crime?
    How about if you are the neighbour of this guy, and half of his misdemeanours are directed at you?

    ‘Morgan saved up for his business by fixing cars in his mother’s driveway. That required him to occasionally park cars on the street. That earned him parking tickets. He paid them when he could, but he occasionally missed deadlines. And that would lead to an arrest warrant.’

    I hate to state the obvious, but if you ignore parking fines you do tend to get arrested. If they didn’t enforce this the street would be full of parked cars and law-abiding people would be unable to park anywhere. The lesson is not that the cops are terrible racists, but that you should pay your fucking parking fines. Only a racist would say that black people are too stupid to understand this.

    Ask mouth breathing white supremacist Peggy Hubbard:

    https://youtu.be/ubSxtcF-6gw

  27. Cynic: It’s so tough in the UK that they felt safe lying down in the road, knowing they wouldn’t get run over.

    Send in the sleeping policemen!

    SJW: Specifically, if stopping Philando Castile for an allegedly broken taillight carried a significant risk of shooting him dead, then he shouldn’t have been stopped.

    What precise level of offending would justify stopping him please? I only ask in order to be able to calibrate your stupidity.

  28. I watched the Peggy Hubbard video. I agree with what she said. Which wasn’t about parking tickets.

    How would you like to live in a street, or a town, where the police did fuck all about low level crime?

    I do. Police in my town routinely ignore illegal parking by commercial vehicles. And I like living here.

  29. “That’s rich. You’re the racist – you and people like you want black people kept poor and subservient on their modern day plantations.”

    SJW, By excusing their lawlessness, how exactly are you helping them?

  30. Ted S: ‘I presume you’re talking about the police here?’

    Crooked cop was caught, punished. This has what to do with anything?

  31. SJW

    Evidence for the claim that unarmed black people are more likely to be shot than unarrmed white people – relative to the violent crime population?

    http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

    This uses the total population as a basis for comparison, but this clearly isnt the right one.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/

    Blacks (including Black Hispanic) account for 36.9% of all violent crimes and 45% of male homicide arrests.

    Taking the lower of these two numbers tells us that relative to their share of the violent criminals, blacks are no more likely to have been shot than whites.

    Do US police shoot too many people? Yes. Is this evidence for racism? no. Is BLM an unpleasant racist organisation? Yes, they are.

    I knew that the percentage of all those killed showed that whites are more likely to be shot than blacks, based on violent crime figures and now I know that the percentage of unarmed people shot also reflects the wider violent crime rates. Unless you have better evidence?

  32. On the other hand, I think that people will find that there is racism in stuff like the misdemeanours. We know for example that the Ferguson local government used fines to keep its coffers topped up and that this targeted blacks:

    “City officials repeatedly pushed the Ferguson police department to increase city revenue through ticketing, resulting in disproportionate targeting of African-Americans….African-Americans were disproportionately targeted by those practices, ticketed and cited for minor violations at a higher rate than white residents.”

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/ferguson-justice-report-shocking/

    BLM is an unpleasant hate group, but the US still has a race problem. As for the UK version, they should be classified as a hate group and locked up.

  33. “the US still has a race problem”: no doubt it has many. But the most important one is that black Americans do not make a decent contribution to the economy.

    The problem with some of their policemen – reckless, bullying cowards at best, psychopathic murderers at worst – isn’t a race problem.

  34. ken: data here. “About 13 percent of all black people who have been fatally shot by police since January 2015 were unarmed, compared with 7 percent of all white people.”

    That’s not “relative to the violent crime population”, which is your qualification not mine. When the people getting shot are not violent criminals, that ought not to be irrelevant.

    What precise level of offending would justify stopping him please?

    The precise level depends on what the risks are. There’s a slight public interest in people having fully working tail lights (according to a witness the light was working, but had red tape on it). Against that, shooting people is very bad. The trade-off should be very strongly in favour of not shooting people. There are, after all, other ways of enforcing traffic regulations – my occasional misdemeanours result in letters in the post.

    By excusing their lawlessness, how exactly are you helping them?

    Who are “they”? What “lawlessness”? Police routinely overlook minor infractions in the interests of commerce. Unless there are complaints from his neighbours, let’s do that for the likes of Antonio Morgan.

  35. Thanks. The reason for the question…..I’m seeing just about every crime that anyone has ever managed to invent concerning money and banking happen in double quick time over in alt currencies. I was sorta wondering why this one isn’t as well (aka “passing off” really).

  36. “About 13 percent of all black people who have been fatally shot by police since January 2015 were unarmed, compared with 7 percent of all white people.”

    The unspoken assumption here is that “unarmed” blacks and whites, on average, behave identically when dealing with the cops. But there’s no reason to assume that, because blacks commit all manner of violent crimes at many times the rate of whites. Why would we assume that in this particular situation, being unarmed and stopped by the police, the races behave the same, when in every other instance there’s a great disparity between the races in terms of violent behavior?

  37. The Meissen Bison

    SJW: The trade-off should be very strongly in favour of not shooting people.

    Oh bravo! The question was looking for something less wooly than that so do have another go.

    And while you’re at it, please rate the effectiveness of dealing with Philando Castile’s misdemeanours by sending him letters through the post.

    If you have time, you might also like to consider whether law enforcement is about the public interest or about enforcing the law.

  38. Law enforcement is about the public interest. Are you telling me you’ve never seen the police overlooking some minor infraction?

    However, you’re quite right that you can stop someone driving with a cracked taillight more effectively by shooting them dead than by sending them a letter.

  39. SJW

    Your data still does not justify BLM. The reason why one has to correct for the proportion of violent criminals rather than the population, is because that is the reference group against which the police are operating.

    So 13% of black people shot were unarmed, whilst 7% of whites were unarmed. Given that a black person is likely to be a violent offender at a rate of five times that of a white, it tells us that police officers are suspicious of minorities and more likely to shoot when they feel threatened, but not at the rate that the violent crime rate would suggest.

    Yes, the police shoot lots of people, some of whom are innocent and unarmed. Is this evidence for believing that police are racist? No, if anything it tells us that the police are no more likely to shoot blacks than whites given the reference population and on some measures, are far more discriminating.

    Your evidence is weighed and found wanting.

  40. ken: I haven’t said that the police are in general racist. I’ve said that their tendency to shoot unarmed black people is a genuine problem. In particular, if you’re an unarmed black person.

  41. SJW, the police shoot lots of people. It is not clear that they actually shoot that many blacks, unarmed or not, relative to the population of those who the police interact with. I agree it’s a problem, but primarily not a black one, but a police shooting one. Statistically it’s not a black problem.

    BLM is a nasty partisan organisation that is making these claims and it should be labelled as a hate group. And Obama should be ashamed of himself for not speaking out against them.

  42. “Whenever those of us who are concerned about fairness in the criminal justice system attack police officers, you are doing a disservice to the cause…But even rhetorically, if we paint police in broad brush without recognizing that the vast majority of police officers are doing a really good job and are trying to protect people … if the rhetoric does not recognize that, then we’re going to lose allies in the reform cause.”

  43. @SJW

    ‘I watched the Peggy Hubbard video. I agree with what she said. Which wasn’t about parking tickets.’

    I didn’t say it was. I was inviting you to draw a lesson from what she said.

    ‘I do. Police in my town routinely ignore illegal parking by commercial vehicles. And I like living here.’

    I didn’t mention ‘llegal parking by commercial vehicles’ (though this guy seems to have been running a business in the street, and that may well have exceeded your descriptor), but asked how you would like to live in a street, or a town, where ‘the police did fuck all about low level crime’.

    ‘Police routinely overlook minor infractions in the interests of commerce. Unless there are complaints from his neighbours, let’s do that for the likes of Antonio Morgan.’

    Okay. So do you have any evidence as to whether or not his neighbours complained? Because if they did that fucks your story completely, doesn’t it.

    (Him saying they didn’t, and credulous people simply accepting what he says as the gospel truth, is not evidence.)

  44. The problem with Yank cops is the bad apples. They are the minority in the police force, but the lack of action to get rid of them by the rest of the police means that all police are tainted. That is what is doing a disservice to the police.

  45. SJW: ‘…their tendency to shoot unarmed black people is a genuine problem. In particular, if you’re an unarmed black person.’

    Pure sophistry! You think an educated black college lecturer or HR professional strolling around Manhattan worries about getting shot?

    It’s ghetto denizens. And they have a greater chance of getting shot by their neighbour than a cop.

  46. The ‘Evening Standard’ today has several stabbings (New Cross, Peckham) and a shooting (East Dulwich) last night in London. Where are BlackLivesMatterUK?

    Nowhere. Why?

  47. Yes, the police shoot lots of people, some of whom are innocent and unarmed.

    I’m not sure I’d even say the police shoot lots of people. Relative to what? In 2015, for example, Chicago cops killed 8 people and wounded 14. That probably sounds like a lot to British people, and there is a lot of stuff in the media on how Chicago cops are particularly awful. But consider these 2015 statistics for the good citizenry of Chicago:

    Final 2015 Totals
    Shot & Killed: 446
    Shot & Wounded: 2550
    Total Shot: 2996
    Total Homicides: 508

    There’s a lot of dangerous people in Chicago, that’s just a fact. Even if you had the best cops humanly possible (and Chicago doesn’t) – the best recruits, the best training, the best equipment, the best leadership – they are going to end up shooting some people. There are just too many sociopathic criminal assholes there for it to be otherwise. If you had the best police force humanly possible, the CPD might have killed 5 or 6 people last year instead of 8. But I think the citizenry has a lot more room to improve. Not that anyone in a position of authority will ever suggest that.

  48. JerryC

    Yes, which is why we need to adjust by the ethnicity of violent criminals when talking about who gets shot. Only those trying to make up stats would use the total US population. Which is what all the lefties are doing. Even on the SJW provided number of 13% vs. 7%, the bottom line is that the US cops are not shooting more blacks relative to the reference population.

    I think the US police shoot a lot of people in comparison to the UK, but given their environment, I suspect that the US police are doing decently.

  49. JuliaM

    BLMUK are not in these places because their work is already done – they are a hate crime group, one that encourages violence.

  50. The left is really fucked up over BLM and the Islamists. They’ve spent so long thinking and talking shit about racism that they have completely lost sight of reality. Luckily BLM and the Islamists are so fucking thick and are overplaying their hand so much that even the most committed SJWs are going to have to accept the truth eventually. Which is that BLM and the Islamists are precisely the kind of vile, racist, patriarchal cunts the left have erroneously suggested your average white European/origin bloke is. All the blokes I know – literally all of them – couldn’t give a shit about race or any of that bollocks, they just want a quiet life.

  51. Crooked cop was caught, punished.

    There’s a first time for everything.

    This has what to do with anything?

    I was talking about the fact that a lot of people try to justify police thuggery by saying that, well the police were giving orders, so he should have obeyed. Even if it would be determined later in court that the order was illegal. Logically, this means the police are going to stretch the limits and issue obviously illegal orders. There have actually been several cases of officers offering to go lightly on people they’ve pulled over if the victims service them sexually.

    And the police are increasingly above the law. Heien v. North Carolina showed that ignorance of the law is now an excuse for the cops. The case involved a cop pulling over a guy for having one taillight out, which happens not to be illegal in North Carolina. The cop badgered the guy into permitting a search, which revealed drugs. (Never mind that drug dogs will alert on anything in order to please their handlers; that’s a different story.) The Supreme Court upheld the search, even though the underlying traffic stop was totally illegal.

  52. The problem with some of their policemen – reckless, bullying cowards at best, psychopathic murderers at worst – isn’t a race problem.

    One of the maddening things about BLM is that it enables people to respond that, oh, it’s only those race hustlers complaining, so we can safely ignore the complaints. Besides, it’s good that the cops thug against blacks, since blacks commit more crime.

    The other problem is that comments like yours (obviously, I agree with it) are basically not allowed into the conversation, because we’re only allowed to talk about police abuse in racial terms. I’ve stated on several occasions that the cops are thugs regardless of race, and even try to use examples where the victims aren’t black, yet the cop fellators ignore it and go on about blacks committing more crime.

  53. From SJW link:

    ‘While 10 cops have been killed by gunfire across the entire country so far in 2015, police in Los Angeles County alone have killed 14 people over the exact same period.’

    SFW . . . so f…… what? Cops shooting and killing people is expected. Do you demand parity, SJW? Must more cops be killed to be fair?

  54. The problem with Yank cops is the bad apples. They are the minority in the police force, but the lack of action to get rid of them by the rest of the police means that all police are tainted.

    If the allegedly honest cops won’t root out the bad apples, then they’re bad apples too.

    Of course, look what they did to Serpico. How much has really changed?

  55. Cops shooting and killing people is expected.

    That’s part of the problem.

    Cop killings are actually down quite a bit (and on a long-term decline) over the last couple of decades. Yet, the so-called “war on cops” rhetoric has been ratcheted up.

  56. In my last comment, “cop killings” of course means that it’s the cop that winds up dead. I think that cops dying on duty from whatever cause (not just being killed, but suffering a heart attack at the desk or whatnot) are down, just as much as cops actually being killed.

  57. I did see (but can’t now find) a comparative graph of US gun crime by race, comparing to different countries Basically US black gun crime was at a similar rate to Jamaica(?), US Hispanic gun crime was a similar rate to Venezuela(?), US white gun crime was at a similar rate to the Netherlands(?).

    I have probably got the comparator countries wrong, but you get the point.

    Can anyone find it?

  58. Ted S.
    August 6, 2016 at 6:44 pm

    Cops shooting and killing people is expected.

    That’s part of the problem.

    =================

    ?

    Why would that be a problem?

  59. Ted S is correct here.

    Altho there are many crimmo blacks and I am not at all bothered by violent crims meeting a violent end it is also true that American bluebottles are an increasingly out of control gang (as well as being largely useless) who deal out all manner of violence and injustice to ordinary Yanks of all races.

    That said black Americans are far more likely to be murdered by other black Americans than by cops. And BLM doesn’t give as shit about that because they are leftist race-baiting scum.

  60. Mr Ecks, ‘American bluebottles’ doesn’t work. I had to look it up: British slang for police officers. The term is unknown in the US.

  61. Those stats from Chicago are staggering. London has nearly four times the population and had 112 murders last year – a number which was a substantial increase from 2014.

    The UK as a whole had 573 murders last year, with 30 times the population of Chicago.

    The US is fucked up all right but race is the least of its worries.

  62. UK police have shot dead 6 people since Mark Duggan five years ago. US police shoot dead about 600 a year.

    The homicide rate, relative to population, in the US is about four times the UK rate. The homicide rate by police in the US is about 100 times the UK rate.

    This is just for information. BLMUK and anyone who thinks there’s no problem in the US might want to consider it.

  63. The Meissen Bison

    SJW: … anyone who thinks there’s no problem in the US might want to consider it.

    Fair enough but let’s have some consistency in the approach. You get letters for minor traffic infringements and accept the associated fines or penalty points.

    And you appear to think that this can be applied universally.

    Like you, Philando Castile is doubtless very assiduous in dealing with his correspondence every day – just after he has finished reading his copy of the Guardian, especially flown in and then ironed for him by his personal attendant.

    Gamecock: bluebottle is no longer much used here but you will find plenty in the pages of P.G.Wodehouse, often getting their helmets stolen as an intoxicated jape on boat-race night.

  64. SJW

    US homicide with guns per 100K people is 3.43, UK is 0.06. Which works out to 57x.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

    Or 138 times on this basis:

    http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murders-with-firearms-per-million

    Another SJW stat bites the dust.

    You cannot compare homicides, you should consider that the US police face people with guns all the time, while the UK police do not. Now the ratio looks far more normal.

  65. ‘The homicide rate, relative to population, in the US is about four times the UK rate. The homicide rate by police in the US is about 100 times the UK rate.’

    “Lies, damn lies . . . .”

    The US homicide rate (2013, link below):

    7523 non-blacks murdered, out of 275,000,000.

    8059 blacks murdered, out of 41,000,000.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

    Non-black Americans have a 2.380696202531646e-5 chance of being murdered any given year. Slightly higher than UK, but hardly a problem. In my county of 250,000, no homicides at all in a year is common.

    That homicide in the U.S. is anything but a BLACK problem is a lie.

    SJW – show us your ‘homicide rate by police in the US’ data. I assume you pulled it out your rear end.

  66. ken: I said “homicide rate”, you said “homicide rate with guns”. That’s not my stat “biting the dust”, it’s you comparing it with something different.

    Gamecock: Your assumption is characteristically wrong. I got my number from this count from newspaper reports in 2011. Now that you ask, I’ve had another look, and found this site which records 1146 police homicides in 2015, almost all of them by shooting, and 640 so far in 2016. So it seems I underreported the numbers, sorry.

  67. SJW

    I know you said “homicide rate”. The reality is that we should be comparing like with like. US police face a far higher rate of armed people and the homicide rate with guns is a good proxy for this. US police shoot 100x the number of people that the UK police do according to you. You then roll out the basic homicide rate, ignoring the fact that the police are more likely to use guns when facing guns.

    Your stat has bitten the dust. It’s little better than the ue of the US black population as the numerator for black people shot by the police.

    If we were to say that the Yanks have too many guns, I’d agree with that. But none of your stats make me think that BLM is justified. If someone started a proper “the US police shoot too many unarmed people” movement, I’d probably go along with that.

  68. Okay, everyone I know has always used the term homicide synonymously with murder, but technically, SJW is correct.

    From his link:

    ‘The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program collects supplementary homicide data that provide the age, sex, and race of the murder victim and offender; the type of weapon used; the relationship of the victim to the offender; and the circumstance surrounding the incident. Statistics gleaned from these supplemental data are provided in this section.’

    Even the FBI uses it for murder at first. But, yes, any human killing another human is technically homicide.

    As the 2014 FBI report you link to says ‘law enforcement officers justifiably killed 444’

    The data I linked to from CDC causes of death says 516 for 2013.

    Your Guardian statistics are as full of **** as you are.

    But wait . . . you declared ‘The homicide rate by police in the US is about 100 times the UK rate.’ Not murder rate, but homicide rate. So what’s your point?

  69. Remove the black cities from the equation and America–guns or no–is well down the list of violent places.

  70. It’s well documented that the FBI under-reports police homicides, because it depends on the voluntary submission of data.

    The Guardian’s site gives brief details of each homicide. If you think they’re making it up, it should be easy to show that the corresponding newspaper reports don’t exist.

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