I’m afraid you’re wrong honey buns

From The Guardian’s agony aunt column:

My mother believes I preach too much, and people are allowed their own opinions. I don’t see sexism as an opinion and don’t believe that anyone is entitled to their sexist beliefs.

They’re allowed to believe absolutely anything they want, however damn stupid it might be and however hirtful to a special snowflake. Just as you are entirely and perfectly entitled to react to it in any manner you wish, short of actual violence.

This is not actually what the agony aunt says. Instead, you should “talk about it”.

Spreading feminism by being a gabby bird. Yup, that’ll work.

43 thoughts on “I’m afraid you’re wrong honey buns”

  1. ‘I am 22 and have finished university, and my experiences have educated me about feminism…’

    You spelled ‘indoctrinated’ wrong, sweetie.

  2. ‘Cook also wonders if your family talks about the news and current affairs? “If so, you can put your perspective in those discussions without directly demanding that your family change. If they don’t, could you start buying a newspaper (if you don’t already)? It means you will have a physical item that you can ask your family whether they saw or liked, and perhaps draw some of them into it.”

    I wonder which newspaper they’d recommend..?

  3. Bloke in Germany in Israel

    Being looked at approvingly in the street?

    I am given to understand that there is now a vibrant fashion accessory available to deal with that.

  4. “I tried to tell my 21-year-old brother that calling women “birds” was unacceptable and he talked over me, telling me it was just a joke, to change the subject, that he wasn’t interested, to stop going on like “that”. Whatever “that” is, I don’t think he sees it in a positive light. ”

    I can imagine there’s a couple, somewhere, deeply regretting there wasn’t a decent late night film on TV, sometime in 1993.

  5. Is it possible that the mere publication of such a letter is an acknowledgment of sorts – in the Guardian!- of the hysterical Maolings being produced by modern British ‘education’ and their potential for harm?

    And that phrase about “a newspaper” rings badly out of tune: I’d bet a pound to a penny that Hera Cook, “a historian of feminism, women and sexuality” didn’t have the Daily Mail in mind for familial reeducation, so what would be the odds that she actually wrote “the Guardian” and even the staff there realised it was too creepy and self-referential, so substituted “a newspaper”?

  6. Every single Socialist society has been founded on the premise that everyone is equal and equally entitled to their opinion.

    Unless, of course, that opinion is incorrect, in which case you will be shot.

  7. A fairly typical “university educated” young female. Our society is churning them out by the thousand. Fanatically intolerant and completely convinced they are right about everything.

  8. I particularly liked the list of “subtle acts”

    calling a woman a slut
    believing you have ownership over a woman in a club
    leering at a woman on the street
    nodding approvingly at a woman on the street

  9. @Rob, when they get a proper job and realise no-one gives a sh*t about their hurt feelings or fairytale view on life then they shut up.

  10. Purge the Unis–NOW.

    This little bitch needs the full Anti Red Guard routine. Blackballed from ever working in law, (what passes for) education, media (any style except owning a blog) and totally disbarred from politics at any level ever including involvement by proxy. Also 20x surcharge any student loan and same to be aggressively collected (not the “pay it back when you can Dearie” shite that now holds) to insure she never gets a penny ahead for the rest of her life.
    A mild punishment for one who has taken the CM shilling of evil.

    Also her Brother should have punched her as any red blooded man would have done to another male trying to shove such arrogance and wickedness in his face.

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    “‘After being so badly treated by men viewing me as an object’”

    In 20 years she’ll be complaining about men ignoring her.

  12. @Rob, when they get a proper job and realise no-one gives a sh*t about their hurt feelings or fairytale view on life then they shut up.

    No they don’t. I’m stuck in a cubicle between two fucking yentas at work. They won’t stop gossiping, and bitching about everything. My “favorite” was when one of them complained about the former HR person who, a couple of years ago, didn’t make it convenient enough for her to pump her breast milk. Seriously. As if I needed to hear that.

    I just shut up, though, because this woman seems vindictive enough to keep a list of any missteps I might make and go after me.

  13. @Ted S

    Earplugs are the answer, if your workplace is OK with them, or woman-cancelling headphones if you don’t mind the extra expense. These cut out any frequencies above 7 kHz and the more expensive models incorporate external speakers programmed with messages designed to drive women away, such as ‘I have herpes’, ‘I am divorced and living in a bedsit’, and of course the ever-reliable ‘I’m broke’.

  14. Thomas F, all those things no doubt have the effect on women attractive enough to feature in the mating market; by Ted’s description I’d suggest his colleagues are more likely to enjoy them as an opportunity to deploy schadenfreude disguised as sympathy.

  15. Neither woman is attractive enough to want to pursue. They’re both on their second husband, and bitching about them as much as they bitch about their ex-husbands. You wonder why they’re so bad at picking husbands. 🙂

  16. “They’re allowed to believe absolutely anything they want, however damn stupid it might be and however hirtful to a special snowflake. Just as you are entirely and perfectly entitled to react to it in any manner you wish, short of actual violence.”

    … and expressing passionate support for this peaceful liberal philosophy we say …

    “Also her Brother should have punched her as any red blooded man would have done to another male trying to shove such arrogance and wickedness in his face.”

    Oh, the irony!

    But will anyone dare to notice and say so? Obviously, the Guardian Agony Aunt is probably paid not to contradict the philosophy of their paying audience, but it’s interesting how close she gets to doing so. If you disagree with someone do you *debate* their ideas, or do you threaten them with violent persecution and a loss of livelihood for daring to express opinions you hold to be ‘wickedness’?

    Authoritarians versus liberals – pick a side.

  17. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Asking for advice from an Agony Aunt on how better to hector men is hardly challenging gender stereotypes, now is it?

  18. You are the King of Friendly Persuasion NiV. Remind us again how many jihadis your silver-plated tongue has personally converted to the cause of light and non-violence.

    If some twat started giving me his bullshit marxistic opinions in the flesh and did not desist after being told to relate them to someone who cares (because he thinks I am going to be either swayed or browbeaten by his evil shit) then a brawl would likely be the next step. I merely point out that this is the age of equality and the brother–having told the bitch to desist from Marxist verbal attack and got no result–would be well within his moral rights. If not legal rights –thanks to the spineless “don’t ever defend yourself” bullshit advocated by peacenik dross.

    In case it escaped your notice the scum of the left have no problem with violence–so long as they are dishing it out.

  19. “In case it escaped your notice the scum of the left have no problem with violence–so long as they are dishing it out.”

    No, it hadn’t escaped my notice. I was simply pointing out that the scum of the right likewise have no problem with violence so long as they are dishing it out, too.

    In case it had escaped *your* notice.

    You are mirror images of one another; instances of the same authoritarian mentality. The worldviews you want to enforce on everyone else differ in their details, but your methods and attitudes are the same. It’s just a different brand of the same evil.

    The problem is that *their* evil uses *your* evil as a justification for their authoritarian methods. It was ‘men hitting women for being mouthy’ that got us into this pickle in the first place. It justifies the state ‘hitting men for being mouthy’ on the same basis, using the same logic you just did. You don’t mind dishing it out, when you’re the one holding the power, but you don’t like taking it yourself.

  20. Your grasp of logic is stunning NiV.

    Nobody likes taking it. Taking it and the avoidance of same is mostly the reason for dishing it out.

    You are the non-violent hero NiV–tell us again how many violent jihadis your non violent blowhardery has converted?

    Is that the origin of your cognomen BTW? Non-something–Violence? I hope not but you never know.

  21. “Taking it and the avoidance of same is mostly the reason for dishing it out.”

    Quite so. And now you understand the radical feminists.

  22. Bullshit just Bullshit NiV.

    Radfem scum are victims are they?

    Of their own fucking insanity and displaced hatred of whatever personal nonsense–middle class mummy and daddy didn’t pay enough attention?–drives them.

    You are a real example of the brain-warping effects of absorbing CM cockrot even while claiming to be a supporter of liberty.

  23. “Radfem scum are victims are they?”

    You yourself just offered to punch one of them for offering opinions you disagreed with. You’re certainly not alone in that attitude.

    That’s pretty persuasive evidence for their case.

  24. Were I her brother –Christ forbid–it would be a brawl if she refused to desist from her verbal assault on my earholes. If I want to hear about Marxian shite I’ll ask. If she comes along –in presumably the family home which likely belongs to her parents–and refuses to desist from berating me on behalf of murderous evil she endorses then it would come to the physical. It would be difficult for me to control my rage on seeing that a member of my own family had turned into an agent of evil but I most likely would just throw her out and reserve any punches until and if she started winging them herself

    Or would YOU noble NiV be happy to have your home invaded by some female freak who stands there bellowing in your face what a gutless evil patriarchal scumbag you are. How long would it take NiVster–5mins, 10?–two hours say? –before it would go to the physical.

  25. “‘After being so badly treated by men viewing me as an object’”

    Alas, this privileged little cow will never be packed into a walking bin bag and forced to walk behind her husband, so she will instead have to settle for making up petty incidents and claiming she’s oppressed.

  26. “Or would YOU noble NiV be happy to have your home invaded by some female freak who stands there bellowing in your face what a gutless evil patriarchal scumbag you are.”

    And do you think I want my home invaded by the sort of man who would punch his sister for complaining about being called a ‘bird’?

    I might ignore her. I might argue with her. But what kind of sick, thuggish, cowardly deviant punches a girl?! His own sister?!!

    If I saw any ‘man’ do that to any girl, it wouldn’t take five minutes before it “got physical”.

  27. NiV, you Patriarch you. So you’d deny a female her equality in order to play the white knight? I’d love to see it – mostly out of curiosity for the feminist’s reaction; it would be too good to miss her turning on you for imposing your patriarchal assumptions. Cos she’d definitely stick to her feminist principles, wouldn’t she?

  28. “So you’d deny a female her equality in order to play the white knight?”

    Nothing unequal about it. I like to think I’d do the same for *anyone* who got hit just for expressing an opinion, if they needed my help. Male, female, adult, child, kitten, …

    Wouldn’t you?

  29. “If I saw any ‘man’ do that to any girl, it wouldn’t take five minutes before it “got physical”.”

    So much for non-violence then NiV.

    And girl or not those serving evil are helping–albeit even in a small way–to set up the ruin of us all and enabling the vile deeds of socialism. Which already has 150 million corpses to its account.

    As for her dislike of being called a “bird”. If by some circumstance she had a genuine personal, individual objection to that–as she might as to a nickname she didn’t care for–that is one thing. If she is in the service of CM then she is threatening others with far worse than a punch. Obviously violence should not be a first resort but I would have no qualms about her getting the full “Red Guard Ruin” treatment I have advocated in earlier posts.

  30. How can anyone fail to support NiV in this?
    The idiot’s brother should just walk away and shut his bedroom door to avoid the rant.
    Any decent guy seeing a man hit a woman should step in to stop it.

  31. “So much for non-violence then NiV.”

    Libertarians have no objection to violence per se – just to starting it.

    “And girl or not those serving evil are helping–albeit even in a small way–to set up the ruin of us all and enabling the vile deeds of socialism. Which already has 150 million corpses to its account.”

    Socialism is only one of the many flavours of authoritarianism, by which one group of people impose their power on another through violence. Violent men who beat wives, sisters, and daughters for disobedience and disrespect have laid a fair number of corpses to the account of sexism, too. It’s been going on a lot longer than socialism has, too – I don’t think anyone can even begin to guess how much death and misery it is responsible for.

    I don’t distinguish. Socialism, religion, sexism, homophobia, political correctness – people utterly convinced that their own views are the only ones that should be allowed, think force is justified to impose them on others ‘for the good of society’. They’re all the same evil, the same tendency. The opinions being enforced change, but they really don’t matter. The goal is always power over other people.

    And opponents of free speech always argue that they believe in free speech only of course ‘free speech’ doesn’t include free speech for any opinions they oppose. They’re wrong. Free speech means everything, or it’s not free speech.

    That means people have to be free to advocate socialism, sexism, homophobia, slavery, and smiting the unbeliever. It means people have to be free to argue and campaign against them.
    We hold firm to the principle that we cannot silence them, so that they will never be able to use the same principle to silence us.

    If the lady in question was to propose using *force* to stop men calling women “birds”, that would be another matter. That’s the sort of thing that socialism did, and why it all went bad. But she didn’t. She was instead trying to argue and persuade, and looking for better arguments. She wasn’t advocating that her family be forced to accede to her opinions, or asking how to punish them for not doing. So from that point of view, she’s still on the side of freedom; more so than you. It only becomes dangerous when you start hitting people or visiting other forms of harm on them when they disagree.

    Authoritarianism is just as evil in all its guises.

  32. Any decent guy seeing a man hit a woman should step in to stop it.

    In a world without militant feminism, sure.

    In this world, anyone stepping in is running the risk of being turned on by both parties.

  33. NiV,

    Nothing unequal about it. I like to think I’d do the same for *anyone* who got hit just for expressing an opinion, if they needed my help

    Now you’re being disingenuous – dishonest even – because had you said that in the first place I probably wouldn’t have commented, but what you actually said was:

    “what kind of sick, thuggish, cowardly deviant punches a girl?!”

    With italics, question mark and exclamation to amplify the distinction, and it was this very clear distinction of “a girl?!” from “Male, female, adult, child, kitten” that confirms you as a Patriarch First Class.

    Wouldn’t I intervene? I’d like to think so but given the proliferation of the kind of Maolings that can turn to a national birdcage liner for advice on her nearest kin’s deviancy, I’d probably be at least a little hesitant what to expect as a well-meaning stranger. Education, eh?

  34. John77,

    Any decent guy seeing a man hit a woman should step in to stop it.

    I was going to jump in on the cycling gender gap thread to question the certainty that most people on here are males who think women need their collective penis, but the developing similarity to Patriarchs Anonymous is rather against me. It’s not that I disagree either, but do you see the anachronistic nature of these statements in our brave new world? I suspect almost everyone would agree with the sentiment, only to resort to NiV’s rationalisation when the contradiction’s pointed out. Am I isolated in thinking this is deeply unhealthy for a society?

  35. NiV:”I don’t see sexism as an opinion and don’t believe that anyone is entitled to their sexist beliefs”

    That is what she said.Not your tripe :

    “She was instead trying to argue and persuade, and looking for better arguments. She wasn’t advocating that her family be forced to accede to her opinions, or asking how to punish them for not doing.”

    She was telling others what she will allow them to have as an opinion. On behalf of CM indoctrinators.

    I can’t be arsed to fisk a million words of your crap NiV –other than to note how you twist things for your own benefit.

    Some femmihag who insists that no one is going to be allowed to hold opinions she disapproves of is cast as a poor “victim” who is to be thumped for merely expressing her opinions. If her opinion is that I must be forced to submit to kissing her Marxist arse –then there will be trouble. Out the door on said arse would be the most likely response. And that is me being nice to a female. Any male trying such a dominance attempt under my own roof would also be departing double-quick and any resistance to such departure would certainly end in violence.

  36. “With italics, question mark and exclamation to amplify the distinction, and it was this very clear distinction of “a girl?!” from “Male, female, adult, child, kitten” that confirms you as a Patriarch First Class.”

    Had the comment been about hitting somebody’s obnoxious and annoying kid, and I had said “what kind of sick, thuggish, cowardly deviant punches a child?!”, no doubt I’d be accused of being ageist. Likewise kittens. But whatever.

    I don’t actually give a damn if anyone calls me ‘patriarchal’. I’m just saying the principle applies generally. The last person I rescued from a bully happened to be male. So what?

    “I’d like to think so but given the proliferation of the kind of Maolings that can turn to a national birdcage liner for advice on her nearest kin’s deviancy, I’d probably be at least a little hesitant what to expect as a well-meaning stranger. Education, eh?”

    Frankly, if I tried to help someone and they turned on me, I’d give them a piece of my mind. But I’d do so verbally, not physically.

    I’ve got no problem with anyone arguing with a feminist, telling her how wrong, stupid, misguided, immoral, and authoritarian she is. But much as I might detest what she says, I’ll defend to the death her right to say it.

    Just as I’ll criticise and argue with, but defend his right to express his opinions, Mr Ecks. He can say she’s wrong, and say her creed is evil, and I’d be happy with him saying so to her face. Likewise with anyone who get an earful about patriarchy for ‘rescuing’ her. But I’d not tolerate punching someone for expressing an opinion, and I’d not let concern over what any daft feminist might say stop me from adhering to *my* moral principles.

    She’ll get rescued whether she likes it or not!

  37. Alright, I don’t want to be obnoxious when we essentially agree on principle but, again, you’re not being as honest as you might, otherwise you’d’ve used the worst case to test those principles, viz:

    “what kind of sick, thuggish, cowardly deviant punches a man?!

    I hope you see I’m not sincerely-SJW when I appoint you Patriarch First Class – embrace your inner patriarch, the world may need it sooner than you’d like.

    She’ll get rescued whether she likes it or not!

    But you’re way ahead of me already!

  38. Try:
    “what kind of sick, thuggish, cowardly deviant punches a geeky nerd with glasses?!”

    Or how about “what kind of sick, thuggish, cowardly deviant punches a trans guy in a dress?!” (I’ve been known to defend their rights, too.)

    Or as I just mentioned, the last actual incident where I had to intervene involved one boy holding another younger boy upside down by his ankles. That the victim was a boy didn’t make the bully any less thuggish.

    It’s the general principle of picking on someone smaller and weaker than you that makes it especially disgusting. Sex and gender have nothing to do with it, except to the extent that the girl is generally smaller and weaker. In cases where she’s not, I’d more likely go to the guy’s defence…

  39. “Try” no the fuck not. I just gave it to you without this need to bullshit. I’m really, genuinely, honestly, thesaurus-bustingly puzzled why you’d not simply face up to your original post. Within the limitations of this crappy tablet:

    1. “what kind of sick, thuggish, cowardly deviant punches a girl?!
    2. “what kind of sick, thuggish, cowardly deviant punches a man?!
    3. “Sex and gender have nothing to do with it, except to the extent that the girl is generally smaller and weaker. In cases where she’s not, I’d more likely go to the guy’s defence…”

    1 and 3 were entirely yours and just as entirely contradictory; 2 was my attempt to juxtapose for effect. Or something. The point being that in your first post you were definite and exclusive in your opinion; in your latest post you’ve become general and inclusive. They’re incompatible, incongruous, contradictory, etc statements. Put the shovel down and step out of the hole.

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