Interesting

Silver medalist Francine Niyonsaba and Margaret Wambui, who got a bronze, have also faced questions about their testosterone levels in recent reports.

Before the Rio 2016 Olympic Games, Sharp told The Daily Telegraph, there were “obvious” athletes with heightened testosterone amid rumours that there were two more competitors were “intersex” in last night’s final. “Everyone can see it’s two separate races so there’s nothing I can do,” she said earlier this summer.

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  1. All my jokes aside, I actually feel awfully sorry for Caster Semenya. Imagine having worked and been good at something you love all that time to only find out that you can’t do it because of the way you’re born. And then, have this obviously very personal matter debated all over the world’s media. She’s not some mental trannie who decided she was a woman afterall. I feel bad for her.

    However, the fact is the women’s events exist because women cannot compete with men at the top. If it wasn’t for separating the sexes then the women wouldn’t get a look in so it defeats the whole point of it to allow someone who is basically 1/2 1/2 compete against the women. If testosterone levels really are the fundamental difference then having a testosterone limit for women and allowing testosterone levels to be brought down to that limit with drugs seems the fairest way to me. That some athletes with hyperandrogenism want to compete with that advantage seems to me that they don’t get why women’s events exist in the first place… or they just want an unfair advatage and don’t care.

  2. Seems simple to me. Chromosome test. XX and you are in the women’s race. Any other combination and you’re in the men’s. Anything else is natural variation. Put up with it.

  3. The Caster thing is an interesting (as Tim says) case: it’s balancing the rights of the individual vs the rights of the crowd.

    Caster is just lucky she’s a black intersex person: the guardian would have called for her to be imprisoned for Fraud and hurting other people’s feelings if she were a chap.

  4. Imagine having worked and been good at something you love all that time to only find out that you can’t do it because of the way you’re born.

    I’m sure she loved it: she’s probably wiped the floor with the competition in every race she’s run since she was a kid. But somebody should have realised this and perhaps directed her into something else before she devoted her life to it.

  5. Ljh, so no-one from a very poor, very rural province has ever risen above rural poverty other than by becoming an Olympic athlete?

  6. Nemo: visit Limpopo then tell me how else she would have succeeded, without family political connections which she lacks. The education system there is beyond parlous and corruption endemic.

  7. Finland’s Eero Mäntyranta, with seven Olympic medals, was one of the all-time great Nordic skiers. He had a condition called primary familial and congenital polycythaemia, associated with a variation in the erythropoietin gene, which caused his body to produce 65 per cent more red blood cells than the average male.

    Boost your red blood cell count with synthetic hormones or blood doping, and they’ll throw you out for cheating. But if it’s a natural condition – well, most top athletes are top because of some genetic oddity that helps their performance compared to the majority of people. Where would you stop? We don’t have separate races for people with/without polycythaemia, even though it’s hardly a fair contest for those without it. It’s the same thing.

    The only reason we make an exception for women is that we traditionally used to segregate the sexes anyway, for other reasons. When we ended social segregation in all those cases where there wasn’t a need, we didn’t do so for sport because it would have virtually eliminated women from most sports, and that was held to be more undesirable than allowing the sexism to continue.

    Consistency and equality would dictate that we end the division in sport as well, but that would be to surrender to the stupidity out of spite.

    It’s not like it matters, anyway. It’s just a form of empty entertainment. Who cares if they cheat?

  8. Ljh, that’s got to be one of the crappiest deflections ever. Have you been to Limpopo? It looks cool enough, but I’ve got plenty of other things to do before I go back to South Africa, and it’s got fuck all to do with the question anyway: did Caster truly have “only one way of rising above rural poverty, living in a very poor, very rural province”?

  9. Ljh, forgot to add: because you’re condemning every poor bastard who isn’t an Olympic athlete to perpetual rural poverty if your answer’s “Yes”.

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