Not a bad lines actually

But we are going to look boldly into the future.
We will build the next generation of roads, bridges, railways, tunnels,
sea ports and airports that our country deserves.
American cars will travel the roads, American planes will connect our cities, and American ships will patrol the seas.
American steel will send new skyscrapers soaring.
We will put new American metal into the spine of this nation.
It will be American hands that rebuild this country, and it will be American energy – mined from American sources – that powers this country.
It will be American workers who are hired to do the job.

Yes, populist rhetoric but rather good populist rhetoric.

26 thoughts on “Not a bad lines actually”

  1. It is only protectionism if it is achieved by political–ie dictatorial, violent control– methods.

    Abolishing the state in the economic sphere and letting the socialistic mess we (the West) are in collapse and be replaced with lassiez-faire would achieve the same result.

    Not likely Trump means that tho’ but it could be.

  2. Does the US still have any coal resources that are cheaper to get at than importing it from abroad? I thought the whole reason people imported foreign resources was because it was cheaper than using native resources. Well, if they’re happy to pay to use more expensive native resouces, go for it.

  3. He’s running as a rust-belt Democrat on the basis that most R’s will vote for him cos they see Hillary as beyond the pale. In electoral college terms, a good strategy.

    Watch the “chaotic” campaign now crystallise in that form.

  4. It’s almost as if he actually likes America and Americans whilst the current political class seem to despise them. What sort of electoral strategy is that?

    Oh yes, it’s that nasty populism isn’t it.

  5. Coal is a difficult one – should cheap imported coal be used if it comes at the cost of an average of a miner’s arm per week?
    Ie it’s only cheaper because there’s no elf n safety.

  6. “Does the US still have any coal resources that are cheaper to get at than importing it from abroad?”
    The entire cost of coal is the extraction & transport to point of use. There’s no reason a highly industrialised nation can’t do this more efficiently, with ample domestic resources, than can be achieved elsewhere.

  7. Also, Trump seems to have realised that there’s milage in politicians following the desires of their constituencies, rather than trying to dictate terms to them.

    Note the video during the Brexit campaign where some Grauniad journo went to some Northern Lab heartland to try to find out why the people were voting against the position of the party. There was a phrase at the end about “…if they won’t follow orders” or something similar, which I found very…erm… revealing. That the constituency is supposed to do what the party wants, and not the other way around. Very “The Proletariat will follow the commands of its Vanguard”, n’est-ce pas?

  8. So democracy – taking decisions by counting votes – is good, but popularism – advocating policies which attract lots of votes – is bad.

    Does not compute.

  9. No one “deserves” bridges or roads. That’s the worst sort of progressive bullshit — ” we deserve better” rubbish.

    And that whole image is not looking boldly to the future, but to some entirely imaginary past. He can spout rubbish like that forever, but the reality will involve compromises, and he can’t do compromises. So it will never happen.

    (In his businesses does he take the American option or the cheapest option. Ah, so he’s that sort of patriot!)

  10. The funny thing is it would have been considered a perfectly reasonable speech for a mainstream politician from either party in 1950 or even as recently as 1970.

  11. Or just protectionist bullshit.

    It is, but as I’ve said before, if the government is going to engage in colossal make-work schemes for the purposes of keeping folk employed regardless of economic sense, it is probably better to have people building things than what they are currently doing, i.e. creating millions of useless jobs for the dim middle classes sitting in air-conditioned offices as Diversity Outreach Coordinators and preventing the productive elements of society getting anything done. For sure, it would be better if none of these make-work programs were happening, but if they already are happening and not going away, Trump has somewhat of a right to redirect the cash to a different section of society.

  12. So -and I think I know the answer to this, if it’s popular and attracts votes it’s good is it? So Putin; anti-gay laws, creating mayhem in Syria, the Ukraine, the Baltic states, great guy?

    Loopy juice Trump, great guy too?

  13. Tim Newman,

    Nearly all of those Diversity Outreach Coordinators will be women; whereas what Trump is proposing is very much men’s stuff.

    The gender divide in voting patterns is increasing too:

    In 2012 Barack Obama won 56% of womens’ votes but just 46% of mens’ votes. The Democrats have been claiming the female vote for some time now: 7 precentage points higher in 1996, 7½pt higher in 2000, 8pt higher in 2004, 7pt higher in 2008, and a massive 10pt higher in 2012.

    I fully expect this election to be the most gender-divided ever.

  14. @Tim N
    I was thinking something like that sitting in a four lane carpark on the M25, couple weeks back. Two hours to cover 12 miles. How many hundreds of thousands of productive hours were being lost to the economy? FFS, you pay enough taxes, don’t you? How much would it cost to have a quick & efficient way of clearing an accident? The French seem to manage it. Let alone building a road with the capacity to take to required level of demand, so the slightest disruption does cause it to choke solid.
    Eventually reached the cause of the disruption. Two lanes still closed off, for no apparent reason. And a bunch of uniformed cnuts standing around scratching their arses. No doubt waiting for someone, somewhere, to make a decision.

  15. Nearly all of those Diversity Outreach Coordinators will be women; whereas what Trump is proposing is very much men’s stuff.

    Indeed. Trump is appealing to the white, working class men who everyone else treats with utter contempt. Obama got elected solely on the women’s vote.

  16. Ah sorry Andrew M, you already made that point!

    But yes: if you read the more vociferous blogs in the “manosphere” there is a recurring theme that women voting is gathering the benefits for themselves while men pay the costs. So much for the patriarchy.

  17. Remains to be seen whether it’s popular. Nate Silver had it 60% chance for HC just after the conferences , taking into account the respective bounces.

  18. “So Putin; anti-gay laws, creating mayhem in Syria, the Ukraine, the Baltic states, great guy?”

    Pretty sure it’s Western neocons like Obama and Shrillary that’ve been stirring the shit in Syria and the Ukraine, not Putin.

  19. Bloke in Wiltshire

    Tim Newman,

    The problem is that even a lot of that isn’t really doing much. I can think of a few roads that we need in the UK, but we don’t need new schools and hospitals. And then you have the problem of getting people skilled up. So much is about using machines or having some training.

    The greatest disaster in this country, IMO, is the failure in training and industry recognised certificates. A mate of mine teaches C&G welding. He cannot produce welders fast enough for the local area. They get qualifications for chefs to go into kitchens, hairdressers, etc. It means people have a thing that employers recognise, which means they’ll hire them. But funding for the FE colleges is being cut. And no-one in any political party or any newspaper gives a shit. Meanwhile, we pour billions into history of art and psychology degrees that no employer cares about except that you might hire someone with one just because that means they’re better than the person who came in with A levels for an interview.

  20. Tim Newman hints at the problem, and BiW states it outright- we’ve lost our capacity to value and admire engineering and construction skills.

    Pick up a Sunday paper and it’s lionising hat designers, people with doctorates in textiles and fucking cooks.

    You don’t get bridges, railways, motorways built by people who think geniune innovation is a revival of tab collars in an act of homage to the age of jive.

  21. “Remains to be seen whether it’s popular. Nate Silver had it 60% chance for HC just after the conferences , taking into account the respective bounces.”

    Is that the same Nate Silver who said Trump had no chance of winning the nomination, or the one that said his campaign would self-destruct?
    Silver is a hack who got lucky.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-winning-the-polls-and-losing-the-nomination/

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