So, this is a homophobic slur is it?

Angela Eagle has allegedly been subjected to homophobic slurs from her opponents, it has been reported.

A formal complaint by her constituency party members seen by the Guardian alleges that the MP for Wallasey was called “Angie the dyke” at an official meeting in June, which she did not attend.

Sounds rather more descriptive than insulting really.

The complaint adds that people are blocked from leaving meetings and at the AGM when the LGBT officer was elected some delegates” started limping their wrists to each other and laughing”.

Seems they have some fairly tough attitudes up in the Wirral then.

Note that this is all internal Labour Party stuff. And the British working class has always been rather more socially conservative than the urban intelligentsia quite understands….

60 thoughts on “So, this is a homophobic slur is it?”

  1. The complaint adds that people are blocked from leaving meetings

    So they lock people in the room do they? Nice and progressive.

  2. To be fair, she did insist on claiming that being a “Northern lesbian” made her the ideal candidate for the leadership. She brought it up.

  3. This has nothing to do with the working class and it’s conservatism. This is all to do with Labour members, all of them, being middle class hypocrites who practice double standards.

  4. Bloke in North Dorset

    The working class are fairly tolerant, but that doesn’t mean they give up the right to take the piss, which they don’t see as being homophobic. To them homophobic is beating up gays.

    At least that’s how I read comments in my local.

    I get the piss taken for my Yorkshire accent and our allegedly short arms and deep pockets, but I don’t take that as being Yorkshirephobic.

  5. The mind gap between the London lefties and the people they claim to represent is huge. I think this, and not Corbyn will be the reason labour splits eventually. The dissonance between what the average northern voter really cares about and what the Islington sect think is almost too huge to be contained by a single country, let alone a single political party:

    Gay rights vs strong traditional family
    Immigration vs looking after our own
    Pan-nationalism vs hearth and home
    Spending vs saving
    Rehabilitation vs string the buggers up
    Special snowflake protection vs ‘Toughen up lad’

    I mean, aside from liking the NHS (which is hardly a party lines thing), all they’ve got in common is a penchant for trades unionism, and the unions are better aligned with the Islington sect nowadays, as that’s all special case pleading instead of self reliance.

    The ultimate test of a party’s viability is “Would you set [The Labour Party] up to be what it is now?”. Only a committed SJW can look at Labour and think it’s worthwhile.

    No, Labour is like a loveless marriage: two very different halves held together by a shared history, with nothing else to talk about but the minutiae of their drab daily lives.

  6. “No, Labour is like a loveless marriage: two very different halves held together by a shared history, with nothing else to talk about but the minutiae of their drab daily lives.”

    Its also served its purpose – all the rights that unions were formed to fight for, and then some, have been codified into law.

    Hence its now lunatic descent into SJW territory arguing for gender neutral bathrooms and 57 gendered pronouns.

  7. It’s like black people and the N-word: fine for them to use to describe themselves, but offensive if coming from non-lesbians.

    Bisexual ladies can only say the word when they’re dating girls.

  8. Never really understood the pride aspect of being gay. I can understand not being ashamed of it, especially if it’s the way you’re born, but if it’s the way you’re born why are you proud of it? Like being proud of having feet.

  9. Angela Eagle has allegedly been subjected to homophobic slurs from her opponents, it has been reported.

    Gotta love that third-hand passive-voice reporting.

  10. I get the piss taken for my Yorkshire accent and our allegedly short arms and deep pockets,

    And Boycott. His continued presence on TMS is the fault of all Yorkshireman. And until you have him defenestrated, we’ll keep reminding you of it.

  11. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    This is all to do with Labour members, all of them, being middle class hypocrites

    So the 5000+ Scousers who turned out yesterday evening to listen to Corbyn were all middle class? That’s a laughable proposition.

  12. @SE

    Boycott is about 50% of the reason I listen to TMS!

    The Cat is quite good as a summariser, Swanny too, but Vic Marks is dull, and Vaughan is mostly dull (and constantly uses odd turns of phrase ‘eg if I was a Sri Lanka, or a South Africa…’

    Mind you, if they plan to continue with Ebony-Jewel ‘Two Dads’ Rainford-Brent I might have to switch off altogether.

  13. So the 5000+ Scousers who turned out yesterday evening to listen to Corbyn were all middle class?

    Membership requires paying a fee, no? So I think we can rule out these Scousers being members…

  14. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    Sandi Toksvig was in the papers moanin g about how she received “death threats” when she came out in 1994.

    1994 ?

    I think my first reaction when seeing her on No 73 ( and that terrible ‘comedy’ with the fat American on Channel 4 ) was, who is this bloody midget dyke and why is she so unfunny ? And that was in the ’80s.

    No Sandi, the reason you may have received “death threats” is that you are so bloody annoying and you ruined the News Quiz !

    Sorry for the rant, I haven’t had my meds yet.

  15. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    It’s only £1.92 for the unwaged, so perhaps not. And I thought the argument was that the 540,000 Labour members were unrepresentative of the electorate? Are you claiming that Corbyn is inspiring thousands more to come out on a wet night in Liverpool for a leadership hustings, despite them not having a dog in the race?

  16. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    I think Boycott should be banned from the tour matches. He’s fine during the domestic games, but if its broadcast from India or Australia its a disaster.

    There I am in bed happily drifting off during a batting collapse and on he comes “My granny coulda hit that one, sithee.”
    It’s like one of those dreams where one is falling down stairs and wakes with a start and then you’re too scared to go back to sleep.

  17. ‘Sounds rather more descriptive than insulting really.’

    Truth is no longer a defense for defamation.

  18. Vaughn is surely the worst, everything reduced whether “plans were executed” or not.

    He manages to make the game sound like a tedious office job.

  19. What’s lovely about Labour’s infighting is that, rather suddenly, many of our Betters are finding out what it’s like to be on the wrong end of insults. It’s not just the Blairite, neoliberal Murphy who’s got burned, several Guardianistas are bemoaning the new and horrible face of politics.

    But it isn’t new. Tories have got used to receiving pretty serious condemnation from the left. Fascist, baby-killing hater of the poor and disabled, blah blah blah.

    Many on the right have already given up in public, hence the election surprise last year. Moderate others will do the same too to avoid some Corbynista harpooning their cat.

  20. Smeller: Doug Casey calls it right.

    80% of people are all right. Lose your wallet and they will hand it in or bring it back to you.

    20% of folk are dodgy–not nec’s straightforward crims but suspect–something of darkness, something of the night clings to them. Lose your wallet with such around and your chance of seeing it again is minimal.

    20% of 20% –4% of the total–are outright crimmos. Thieves, thugs yahoos etc in all the many shades of scum.

    20% of that 20%–0.8% of the total are evil scum.

    With such a guide it is not a surprise that a death-cult that has murdered 150 million human beings so far and ruined the lives of 100s of millions more could reach a membership of 540,000.

    Given that Liverpool’s population is 467000 approx. then 5000 is near enough 1%.

  21. I know a few people who support Labour and are quite perturbed by the way things have gone. I have some sympathy for them.

    But overall, Labour deserve Corbyn and his little fans. They’ve spent decades calling anyone even vaguely centre right “vermin” while palling around with SWP types and worse.

    The realisation that Labour needed to modernise, accept the reality of capitalism and offer social democracy didn’t come with Tony Blair. It goes back to (at least) Tony Crosland.

    But rather than fully accept the fact that state socialism is a failed ideology, Labour have kicked and screamed about Clause Four. They’ve smugly sung their fucking Red Flag song about how everyone who disagrees with them is a “traitor” and a “coward” and played at being Rosa Luxemburg, before returning to North London to eat fair-trade quinoa.

    Some form of Labour party will probably survive on the basis that the North is a very tribal place and because they remain the fashionable alternative to the Stupid Party. But ideologically they’ve been moribund for fifty years. Blairism was a blip.

  22. “What’s lovely about Labour’s infighting is that, rather suddenly, many of our Betters are finding out what it’s like to be on the wrong end of insults.”

    Yes. I don’t remember many horrified Guardian editorials when the same scum were chucking bricks through windows in the West End. Then it was “expressing anger”.

    Well, fuck em.

  23. Witchsmeller Pursuivant

    Tories have got used to receiving pretty serious condemnation from the left. Fascist, baby-killing hater of the poor and disabled, blah blah blah.

    I was going to say that the Left also receive rabid abuse from the Right, and right on cue Mr Ecks appears to prove my point.

    @Charlie – if you think that Corbyn is offering a return to state socialism, then you really haven’t been paying attention. Corbyn is attempting a form of actual social democracy, as opposed to the Blairite ‘capitalism with a smiley-face’.

    The 400,000 new members of Labour are not Trots or Stalinists; the peak membership of the SWP was 5,000 FFS.

  24. Calling a bunch of cunts who support and endorse (by their actions not their deceitful words) mass murder and tyranny a bunch of cunts who support and endorse mass murder and tyranny is not abuse.

    Merely accurate and proven statement of fact. You may not like that Smeller but that does not un-murder the murdered.

  25. WP – No, he isn’t. Social Democracy that actually comes anywhere close to working requires a Scandinavian approach. As our host as noted at various stages, you need to have a proper economy running underneath for that sort of thing to work.

    Corbyn (unlike, say, Bernie Sanders) doesn’t laud even the image that Scandinavian countries project. He tells us instead that Cuba and Venezuela provide “a beacon of hope” for anti-capitalists. He hasn’t repudiated his support for the Venezuelan system and was happy to congratulate Maduro on his ‘achievements’ as late as last year.

  26. “Left also receive rabid abuse from the Right”

    Yes because there’s screaming crowds of gin swilling middle aged golfers and WI types outside the Labour Party conference, calling them scum and spitting at them isn’t there?

    The idea that the Right do personal face to face insults of the Left is a figment of your imagination. A few keyboard warriors on the internet telling them like it actually is (Socialism really did kill tens of millions of people in the 20th century) is not the same as what the SJW rent-a-crowd mob are up to on a regular basis.

  27. Bloke in Wiltshire

    Charlie Suet,

    I think most Labour supporters are frankly, just thickies. I’ve tried explaining the simplest things: how Blair is the only leader to win a general election in 40 years, how the further left the leader, the worse the defeat is going to be. There’s not a glimmer of “hmmm maybe”. They’re utterly convinced that the Tories want him gone.

    I don’t even think they’ll realise it after he gets crushed at the next election. They’ll find a reason other than Corbyn and his policies. Disunity, probably. “Well, if all you splitters hadn’t talked him down, we’d have won” and re-elect him.

  28. [pendant]It’s “on” the Wirral, not “in” it.[/pendant]

    Standards are almost as low as the Telegraph around here these days, harumph!

  29. Millions of people have been killed by authoritarian governments of the right and the left. X repeats several times a day his view that anyone left of centre is therefore a mass murderer, but that’s because he can’t see his screen through all the spittle to type anything new or sensible.

    All political parties are uneasy alliances. UKIP is an alliance of libertarians and poujadists, the Conservative Party is an alliance of High-Churchmen and economic liberals, the Liberal Party is an alliance of leftists and rightists each too contrary to join the parties they belong in.

    The Labour Party’s current travails aren’t primarily about policy, they’re about leadership: Corbyn is hopeless at it.

  30. SJW–No you lying con artist.

    Bollocks to your left/right shite.

    Again–and as many times as it takes.

    FASCISM IS SOCIALISM.

    Call it socialist heresy if you like but it was created by marxistic scum and praised fulsomely in its early days by the Fabians and other socialistic scum.

    Slinging “authoritarian” in there doesn’t get you off the hook either. By its very nature socialism is arrogant and tyrannical shite.

    Nor did I say that all leftpricks ARE mass murderers. I say that –by reason of your utter lack of concern for millions dead at the hands of your gang–all of you endorse and support mass murder. Which you do.

  31. Facism certainly came from the left. It was nationalist socialism in opposition to the “international socialism” which, by that point, already meant “do what Moscow tells you to do.”

    Check which journal Mussolini was editor of before his mood changed.

    On the other hand, “National Socialism” was more “authoritarian nationalist corporatism”. Leftist (given its facist sympathies) but not actually advocating changing the ownership of the means of production, just the state directing the outcomes of that production.

    “Right wing” was Moscow’s insult to both the Facists and the Nazis. “Slightly more right wing than Stalin”, while accurate, was drowned out in the blood-flecked spittle. However, it has stuck. Particularly with modern “right wing” parties (check the BNP policies if you have a strong stomach – the bigoted ones are well known but the economics are well to the left of Blair and even Vince Cable. Not quite LHTD or Corbyn.) and various breeds of SJW.

    Note: (statist OR authoritarian) AND (bigot OR nationalist) ≠ “right wing”. It doesn’t even imply it.

  32. The “fascism” meme–the idea that it is nothing to do with socialism etc, etc is the product of 70 years of hard lying leftists trying to create a label they could stick on their enemies while also trying to consign to oblivion their role in creating “fascist” evil in the first place.

    The same concentrated style of lies and propaganda was used by CM across 50 years to create the bullshit meme of waycism being the worst thing in the universe which is what is behind all the CM/SJW garbage. Whereas in reality socialism is far worse than racism, having murdered 150 million people.

    Not liking the colour of someone’s skin is not a problem at all so long as the principle of non-aggression is adhered to–you can dislike but may not offer violence to except in self defence.

    And indeed it can be argued that the socialist evil of being willing to kill anybody regardless is worse than Hitler’s Aryan antics as at least there were groups he was reluctant to start in on murdering unless they crossed him.

    No such concerns troubled soviet scum. Altho that is not entirely true as the soviets were anti-Semitic despite all their bullshit egalitarian talk.

  33. SJW,
    > All political parties are uneasy alliances.

    Yep. But some more so than others. In America, Hillary’s Democrats are an awkward top/bottom alliance of blacks, gays, internationalists, and people who suck on the government teat. By contrast, Trump’s Republicans are a unified group of rednecks. Whether that’s enough to win is not clear.

    > The Labour Party’s current travails aren’t primarily about policy, they’re about leadership: Corbyn is hopeless at it.

    This. In spades. The man has less charisma than John Major and Iain Duncan Smith subtracted from each other. At least Angela Eagle was pink rather than grey.

  34. “,,,it can be argued that…” Are you making that argument or not? Because it’s stupid even by your standards.

    Killing people is usually wrong. I’m against it.

    SE: there was nothing remotely leftist about Spengler’s “Preußentum und Sozialismus”.

  35. SE: there was nothing remotely leftist about Spengler’s “Preußentum und Sozialismus”.

    Typical Paul.

    However Hitler was strongly influenced by anti-capitalist ideas and to a debated extent by fascism.

    Given that Hitler led the Nazi party and Spengler was reputedly an influence on some of the leaders, but more on a bunch of USian cranks, makes this an argument without too much significance?

  36. Check out the BNP indeed, as leftist as they come. Check out also that fascist running g for the White House Donald Trump; same applies.

  37. SE: I was trying to avoid writing an essay. But the NSDAP took its name before Hitler became leader, and its sense of socialism was much the same as Spengler’s. Hitler himself noted that the “socialism” in the party’s name was “an unfortunate word altogether”.

    Britain at the time was in no doubt about what the nazis and fascists believed in. Their biggest supporter here was the Daily Mail under Viscount Rothermere, who praised Mosley for his “sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine”.

  38. …as leftist as they come…

    You can invent a definition of leftism that applies to Genghis Khan if you like. But it’s absurd to conclude that anyone suggesting any sort of redistributive economic policy endorses GK’s genocidal methods.

    I can’t see Corbyn’s supporters endorsing Trump either.

  39. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I noted Angela Eagle’s resemblance to Gollum and coined the nickname Angela Smeagol. Probably wasn’t the first.

  40. I am a socialist. And a very different kind of socialist from your rich friend Count Reventlow.

    Adolf Hitler, May 21 1930.

    We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions

    Adolf Hitler, speech of May 1 1927, quoted by John Toland in Adolf Hitler, 1976, p. 306

    England is a capitalist democracy. Germany is a socialist people’s state. There are lords and City men in England who are in fact the richest men on earth. The broad masses, however, see little of this wealth. We see in England an army of millions of impoverished, socially enslaved and oppressed people. Child labour is still a matter of course there. They have only heard about social welfare programs. Parliament occasionally discusses social legislation. Nowhere else is there such terrible and horrifying inequality as in the English slums. The Lords and City people can remain the richest people one earth only because they constantly maintain their wealth by exploiting their colonies and preserving unbelievable poverty in their own country.

    Joseph Goebbels, “England’s Guilt”, Illustrierter Beobachter, Sondernummer, p. 14

    There is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communists always will.

    Of what importance is all that, if I range men firmly within a discipline they cannot escape? Let them own land or factories as much as they please. The decisive factor is that the State, through the Party, is supreme over them regardless of whether they are owners or workers. All that is unessential; our socialism goes far deeper. It establishes a relationship of the individual to the State, the national community. Why need we trouble to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings.

    Both quotes Hermann Rauschning quoting Adolf Hitler in Hitler Speaks, London, T. Butterworth, 1940

  41. BiW: I don’t know what your point is. The NSDAP used the word “sozialismus”, but what they meant by it was nothing like socialism, as Goebbels made clear.

    (There was a faction in the NSDAP which, vile as it was, had genuinely socialist elements in its thinking: Reventlow was allied to it, Gregor Strasser was its leader. Hitler had Strasser shot on the Night of the Long Knives.)

  42. SJW

    Corbyn’s supporters go around as a mob to the homes of female MPS and putting bricks through the windows of their constituency offices. Wouldn’t they approve of Trump? Why on Earth not, unless he’s too pleasant for them?

    These actions make the Centre -Right of British politics, well, just better then you.

  43. The NSDAP used the word “sozialismus”, but what they meant by it was nothing like socialism

    I didn’t mention the name of the NSDAP. I did however list direct quotes from Hitler and Goebbels proclaiming their socialism.

    Or are you telling us that, as with Venezuela, they were the wrong sort of socialist?

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