Whut?September 12, 2016 Tim WorstallYour Tax Money At Work37 CommentsShadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry tells Sky News it is ‘sexist’ to ask her to name the South Korean president Competence is sexist now? previousAnyone asked Frank for a comment yet?nextGentlemen, choose your weapons 37 thoughts on “Whut?” JuliaM September 12, 2016 at 10:15 am I don’t at this point know who is worst, US politicians, or English ones… jgh September 12, 2016 at 10:20 am Don’t they have staff for that sort of stuff? Anyway, why does she need to know the /name/? When I was in local government I didn’t write to “fred smith”, I wrote to “department head of environmental food hygeine” or whatever. The Inimitable Steve September 12, 2016 at 10:27 am It’s a fair point. Remember when Michael Howard went on Newsnight and Jeremy Paxman whipped out a guitar and serenaded him with You Are So Beautiful for 10 minutes straight? And what about all those times Nigel Farage went on Question Time and got a foot massage from Eddie Izzard and Jonathan Dimbleby while the handpicked Brexit-mad studio audience showered him with rose petals and huzzahed lustily? Sickening. Matthew L September 12, 2016 at 10:39 am She probably thinks Aleppo is a red waxy stick in her handbag. (stolen from a reddit comment) The Inimitable Steve September 12, 2016 at 10:41 am Saw on Twatter: Your face when a white male has the audacity to ask you questions you’re paid to know the answer to. #Murnaghan Interested September 12, 2016 at 10:54 am It was actually (from memory) the French foreign minister whom she couldn’t name, and she’s supposed to be visiting the fucker next week. I love when these sorts of allegations are thrown around because ordinary people can see it for the nonsense that it is and it slowly but surely is discrediting the SJWs. They may once have had a Point, but when you are resorting to this level of drivel it is merely comical. See also “that’s racist!” when white people eg eat curry or do yoga. JuliaM September 12, 2016 at 11:17 am Has she tried telling the media that she’s got pneumonia…? Andrew M September 12, 2016 at 11:34 am Could be worse. He could have asked her if she fully supports the head of Russia’s anti-corruption agency. So Much For Subtlety September 12, 2016 at 11:44 am Why is the Labour Front Bench so full of utter nonentities? I mean, seriously? A random selection from the York University Labour Student Union would be more distinguished. Who here had ever heard of a single one of the leadership candidates before they ran? Charlie Suet September 12, 2016 at 12:02 pm The Labour party and its supporters seem to believe that, because the Tories are the Stupid Party, they must be the Clever Party. That they have no workable ideas doesn’t faze them in the slightest. At the moment they have a choice for leader between a man who hates the West and thinks its the source of all the world’s trouble, and a man who appears to want to make it 1973 again. There just aren’t any new ideas on the left worthy of any consideration, beyond the increasingly divisive and inane identity politics coming out of America. The centre right has appropriated the social reforms that were Labour’s only worthwhile legacy. Everything economic the left wants has been shown by the experience of the 20th Century to be unworkable. But they’re still the clever ones, oh yes. Van_Patten September 12, 2016 at 12:21 pm A really nasty and profoundly ignorant piece of work, and given the stiff competition from the ranks of Labour’s Female MPs, that is saying something. Can’t really add anything to the perpetually great insights from the Inimitable Steve, other than to say his comment about York Student Union is spot on – the difference being is most people who were involved in student politics and who go into the Private Sector grow up, but a growing number of people seem content to remain politically adolescent for life… Dave September 12, 2016 at 12:27 pm Surely whether or not that was sexist depends on whether or not the asker asked the same question of male politicians? If not, and it was just an attempt to catch-out a female politician by holding her to a different standard, that was sexism. Jim September 12, 2016 at 12:40 pm The older I get the more I’m coming to the conclusion that the people who go into politics are society’s inadequates – not necessarily in lacking intelligence, or social graces (but some are those) but also the ones who have psychological problems that make them unsuited to normal existence, or that make them more suited to political life. Basically they’re the people that everyone else thinks are a bit weird/social climbers/narcissists/downright nutters. Which makes sense because who in their right mind would want to be a politician aged 18? Politics used to be something you did when you’d finished your real career, as a way of putting something back, or of representing the working man, having been one yourself. Not something that you do as a career in itself for your whole life. Which is why we end up with the nonentities and weirdos we get nowadays. Hence my plan to make standing for public office illegal for anyone under the age of 40. Make everyone go and have to experience some of life before trying to run everyone else’s. John miller September 12, 2016 at 12:46 pm Poor Emily. Should’ve looked up “foreign” before she took the job. john77 September 12, 2016 at 12:47 pm @ Dave So you think it was sexist to ask Stephen Byers 7×8? The Meissen Bison September 12, 2016 at 1:02 pm Dave: Surely whether or not that was sexist depends on whether or not the asker asked the same question of male politicians? The nature of a good question is determined by the context and not by the sex of the person questioned. If not, and it was just an attempt to catch-out a female politician by holding her to a different standard, that was sexism. Do you think you might be listening to Woman’s Hour too much? Do you have a “Free Helen” badge on your lapel? BraveFart September 12, 2016 at 1:09 pm The sense of entitlement and self rightousness is strong with Thornberry. Her and Keith Vaz are tailor made for each other. Henry Crun September 12, 2016 at 1:32 pm Dave, is it too much to expect the Shadow Foreign Secretary to know who it is she will be meeting in France this week or is she excused because she has a vagina? Rob September 12, 2016 at 2:01 pm These questions are perfectly common, along with “How much is a pint of milk” and other bollocks. They were fine when asked of Tories when Labour was in power. Now they are BAD because, er, vagina. This is the woman who was sacked for sneering about a man with s white van and England flags all over his house? You can see why Corbyn snapped her up. Bloke in Wiltshire September 12, 2016 at 2:06 pm Charlie Suet, The problem is that the essential core of their ideas is broken. Being on the left is like trying to sell Rolf Harris paintings. Maybe you could make a better website or put them in nicer frames, but the centre of your idea is out of fashion. Where Labour is at now has been a long time coming. You know how Ed Balls jacked in his career when he lost his seat? My belief is that he was perhaps once passionate about politics, back when government ran car factories and the miner’s strike. But over time, he’s seen all of that taken away. But hey, at least it’s a job paying the bills. But now, he knows that even if he fights to come back, that’ll take years, and what difference can he really make? Add a little to the spending than the Conservatives? If you look at all the work to be an MP, all the crap you have to put up with, who’d want it who has some talent? OK, the money’s decent, but that assumes you’ll get a good seat for your efforts. And then what do you get to do? Spend your Fridays doing Citizen’s Advice Bureau level work for local residents. Doing as your told in parliament. Sitting in commitees with utter thickies. You’d rather be building the next Twitter or YouTube, wouldn’t you? Bloke in North Dorset September 12, 2016 at 2:12 pm Boris was asked how much a pint of milk cost. He treated his error with his usual bluster rather than throwing a temper tantrum. Dongguan John September 12, 2016 at 2:18 pm Didn’t Cameron get asked how much was a loaf of bread? Sexist bastards asking a man a lady question. So Much For Subtlety September 12, 2016 at 3:13 pm BraveFart – “Her and Keith Vaz are tailor made for each other.” She has a penis? john77 September 12, 2016 at 3:21 pm I don’t know much a pint of milk costs ‘cos I don’t drink milk. That might also be Boris’ problem! (It’s not lack of awareness or memory – a large loaf cost tenpence-farthing in 1951) Nemo September 12, 2016 at 3:29 pm BiW, Ed Balls building the next Twitter or YouTube. Nice one. BraveFart September 12, 2016 at 4:18 pm SMFS “She has a penis?” Ha ha! Charlie Suet September 12, 2016 at 4:29 pm The point about Labour is that it was founded by two entities – the trades union and the Fabian movement. Of the first, much of what the workers originally wanted has either already been achieved or is economically impractical. The ability of capitalism to put silk stockings within the reach of the shop girl sort of spiked the guns of the hard-line sorts anyway. The original symbol of the Fabian Movement was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Their aim was essentially the fulfilment of Clause 4 by comparatively peaceful means. In the 30s and 40s the state ownership of the means of production probably seemed like a good idea to lots of people. I remember reading a quote from Macmillan from the 1930s where he claimed that “Nothing less than a sustained scheme of national planning will solve our problems”. Granted Macmillan wasn’t exactly right-wing, but saying that sort of thing would now place him on the far left of the Labour party, because the world has moved on. The problem for Labour is that it’s held back by its original purpose. Crosland and Blair have tried to turn it into a modern Social Democratic party, but at heart it’s still the wolf in sheep’s clothing, singing about the Red Flag long after most of its members genuinely believe in socialism. Bloke in Costa Rica September 12, 2016 at 4:59 pm I assume Boris knows how much a decent bottle of champers costs. Non-vintage, d’y’see, Mumm’s or whatnot. This is not a criticism. You do not need to know how much milk costs because it is, for all intents and purposes, free. Bloke in Wiltshire September 12, 2016 at 4:59 pm Bloke in North Dorset, “Boris was asked how much a pint of milk cost.” Who cares? It’s milk. Buying it is a no-brainer. About a quid I think, and as I consider it to be worth at least £2, I don’t need any more information than that. Likewise, I don’t know how much Faberge eggs cost. Far, far beyond what I earn, so irrelevant. It’s stuff in the “might buy” that matters, like tickets for the opera, or good Armagnac. Theophrastus September 12, 2016 at 5:15 pm “She has a penis?” Largely irrelevant to Vaz, as she has an anus. Theophrastus September 12, 2016 at 5:26 pm York University Labour Student Union gave us Harriet Harman, the late Tony Banks, and probably some current Labour airheads. Oxbridge reject syndrome, perhaps? The Meissen Bison September 12, 2016 at 5:26 pm Theo: The stuff you know! Not so much about her physiology (though for “has” one might substitute “is” and incur little risk of dissent) but about his particular predilections. Well done – I was unable to conduct my researches into the subject quite so far. djc (now in South Somerset) September 12, 2016 at 5:35 pm BinW It’s stuff in the “might buy” that matters, …. Good point, though ‘the stuff’ in question does depend on on circumstances. It’s a long time since I last needed to look at supermarket prices as I filled my basket, if I do so now it is no more than idle curiosity. But it might be argued that a politician might benefit from some empathy with a wider range of circumstances than their own. Rob September 12, 2016 at 6:56 pm I fuckng detest milk, so have no idea what it costs. I imagine it is quite cheap as there’s loads of it in the supermarket. Pcar September 12, 2016 at 8:33 pm @Jim, September 12, 2016 at 12:40 pm “Hence my plan to make standing for public office illegal for anyone under the age of 40. Make everyone go and have to experience some of life before trying to run everyone else’s.” +1 I would add a requierment that no more than: 20% of candidates are/were employed in the public sector, 15% Lawyers, 10% PR/Marketing, 5% SPADS/party employees… Re: Cost of Milk, Bread etc Add to that “Which football team do you support?” I would answer: “I don’t enjoy watching or playing football. I enjoy cycling, playing squash and watching motorsport – in F1 I want Button or Hamilton to win. At a local level, stock car racing is great fun to watch, especially the banger racing and being part of the pit crew for a driver there and in BTCC support races adds to the excitement” James James September 13, 2016 at 8:55 am Dermot Murnaghan’s general knowledge isn’t very good, he says Kim Jong Un wants to nuke Pyongyang. Hallowed Be September 13, 2016 at 3:10 pm I don’t know Emily seems ok. i mean she can string a sentence together her politics are not complete loony. What that little exchange was was an instinct to fight back when detecting the presence of a hole. It probably serves her well in meetings and in committee and with underlings. Ideally in media interviews you are looking to portray competance and mastery of the issues, but its journalists’ job to subvert that if they can so stuff like this happens. in my opinion she was good enough not to look a prat or rabbit in the headlights a la palin which is the prime objective. Also i can imagine a lot of people will think ‘good on her’ just for showing a bit of spunk. Now of she tried to double down and go on a crusade to pluck the rotten heart of sexism out of journalism with the trusty sword of fair play for sheila’s…. then yes she’d belong to another category of politicians. Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.