I’d forgotten how insane these people are

The issue has been heavily explored within the academies but has gathered momentum in popular culture over the past decade. It underpins criticism of, among other things, Iggy Azalea’s “sonic blackness”, Coldplay’s “myopic construction of India” in their music videos, and Miley Cyrus’s dance moves.

Yeah, Miley’s dance moves are cultural appropriation. Whether you should be allowed to twerk or not depends upon your melanin levels.

Time to tell them all to fuck off really.

53 thoughts on “I’d forgotten how insane these people are”

  1. Bloke in Germany in Cyprus

    Presumably we should stop teaching French in schools. And we can call Africans who wear suits or build with concrete racists.

  2. Bloke in Germany in Cyprus

    By this logic everyone should just love where they are born. No immigration!

    Got a nice protest chant in fact “immigration is cultural appropriation!”

  3. We were on the Knysna Waterfront yesterday. There was a black guy doing one of these completely immobile busking things (what are they actually called?) with a painted white face. Offended at having our culture appropriated, we didn’t put any money in his tin.

  4. And we can call Africans who wear suits or build with concrete racists.

    Having seen how they do both in Africa, I don’t think we ought to worry that they’ve “appropriated” our practices to any great extent. 🙂

  5. Bloke in Germany in Cyprus

    Being of south Asian extraction I am offended by white feminists practising yoga and having mass-produced Buddha statues in their living rooms. It should be banned immediately.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    So we need to ban the Blues and Jazz. After all Africans appropriated the French horn section as well as the Spanish guitar culture. We need to ban Vindaloo because the Indians appropriated that.

    Although to be honest if it means banning Jay Z, Miley’s twerking – much less twerking in general – and immigration, I have to say it is not all bad. There might even be something to this.

  7. So Much For Subtlety

    If it means a ban on fat White chicks wearing yoga pants, this is looking more and more sensible all the time.

  8. A good start would be to ban the Guardian as it allows a platform to so many people who have no racial or cultural connection with Gutenberg at all

  9. Yes, but does it matter?
    These people only inhabit social media & the wilder reaches of the MSM. You only ever become aware of them if you go there. If you’re unfortunate to come across any in real life, the correct response is to be aggressively confrontational. Start with a robust “go f**k yourself” & work from there.
    They only gain traction because otherwise sensible people are stupid enough to pay attention to them & try & negotiate with them. You can’t, so why bother?

  10. This would be stupid enough if it were consistently applied. But as with most of these stupid Yank ideas, there’s an inverted caste system underpinning it (c.p. the concept of ‘punching down’ in comedy).

    It isn’t cultural appropriation for Mexicans to eat hamburgers and wear Nike trainers. But it’s dreadful bigotry and racism for Americans (and by extension, all white people), to eat Mexican food and wear sombreros. Because Mexico is a pathetic victim country that the US is superior to.

    Obviously this vicious, stupid racism breaks down when it comes to the Japanese, who are richer than any white nation bar the US and had a nastier empire than anyone. But you can’t expect American progs to be logical.

  11. I actually reckon the “sonic blackness” claim is even sillier than the “dance moves” one. Given the combined extent of African-American plus Afro-Caribbean influence on the contemporary sonic landscape, pretty much every genre of it would be debarred to the pale of skin. Perhaps only country and classical would be “white-appropriate”.

  12. It’s an arms race of one-upmanship. Each idiot, striving for notoriety, pushes the boundary into new territory and everyone follows.

  13. Whatever happened to “they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” by the way? Thought that sounded like a good idea myself.

  14. All modern pop music black and white, could be said to derive from a fusion of earlier white and black popular music forms.

    The principal relevant black music forms were/are jazz, blues and, crucially, ragtime (where most of the melodies, syncopations and rhythms arose).

    Ragtime arose from a fusion of West African ethic and Western European classical music forms.

    Ergo, modern popular music derives from Western whites.

    So, all non-white practitioners of popular music appropriated their music ultimately from white classical music – ie they fvcking stole it from ME.

    The conclusion? A good number of black female pop music stars owe me a long blow job.

    Let’s start with Beyoncé, topless.

  15. “Given the combined extent of African-American plus Afro-Caribbean influence on the contemporary sonic landscape, pretty much every genre of it would be debarred to the pale of skin.”
    Except all popular “black” music started as a black interpretation of European music. Predominantly the popular music of the British, French & Iberian diaspora of the colonial era.
    So if you want to play “cultural appropriation one-upmanship”, the blacks get stripped of pretty well all their music apart from the odd bit of African drumming.

  16. What Rob said.

    This is competitive victimhood.

    It is very scary, because of the ratchet effect it will always filter back down into society in milder (but still insane) forms. It’s a kind of expanding of a moral version of the ‘Overton Window’.

    But the contrary risk is that they go so far that young cool people begin to laugh at them. At that point it is GAME OVER.

  17. ‘Whatever happened to “they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” by the way? Thought that sounded like a good idea myself.’

    The idea never went anywhere. Blacks simply claimed they were being judged by the color of their skin. Democrats promised them a meager existence in exchange for their votes. Employers now hire Hispanic migrants instead. Hard working, low drama, reliable Hispanic migrants. Unfortunately, the migrants see themselves as visiting workers, and make no move toward assimilation.

  18. Stuck-Record is right. Eventually our best hope in all of this is that being a whiny stupid querulous dipshit stops being quite so fashionable.

  19. BIS

    The issue is white people appropriating/stealing music of black origin (i.e. which had significant black influence in its development, not necessarily free of white/European influence). It is a form of cultural theft because suitable reparations are not being made, and so this is not a fair cultural “exchange”. There is no issue with black people “appropriating” “white” music – they can’t “steal” white music because it is hegemonic. Black people playing music with significant historical white contribution is, at best, a fair form of cultural exchange – but at worst, a form of cultural imposition by the patriarchy. Suitable reparations may need to be made. Do keep up.

    I think this was the gist of their point anyway, which I have endeavoured to portray faithfully. I know the reason that they don’t accept “arguments from cultural symmetry” is that the pre-existing hegemonies/patriarchies/cultural experiences are inherently asymmetric, which is alleged to invalidate the “how come non-hegemonic people are allowed to borrow from the hegemonic culture?” spiel.

  20. @Stuck-Record

    Excellent point about the moving of the Overton window.

    Young’uns are not homogeneous. Truth is that many young people laugh at this stuff, but other young people will continue to take it seriously* even as it sails into loopier and even rather dangerous territory – in fact there seems to be a striving for “cultural purity” that I can’t be the only one to find deeply repugnant, but the young and earnest seem to have zero issue with. I think it might be related to a “getting back to our roots” thing with some of them.

    I can’t see any prospect of “game over” on that score, even if it is only a tiny minority who treat it seriously. They should probably stick to the two-pronged attack of social media “activism” and the long march through the corridors of academia though. This seems to be perfectly sufficient for them to be treated seriously and given a voice in the mass media, in schools and colleges, and in cultural sensitivity/diversity training (which is why this works very well as an Overton window-shifting exercise). Start attempting “boycotts” of major music stars, with half a dozen people protesting in vain outside the concert halls, and millions of tracks being sold despite the blogospheric condemnation, and then the lack of traction as a mass-movement would become all too obvious.

    * particularly the kind of young people who have blogs and enjoy being elected to committees

  21. I see it as a weird one-upsmanship situation. No one believes this stuff. But it’s cool to say to your friends “oh you think that’s radical? Well how about this. I believe this even more radical thing” And it just spirals as people compete to claim to believe more and more insane things to signal their SJW ideological purity.

  22. How do these people cope with Eminem? He has to be the biggest example of ‘cultural appropriation’ of the modern era. Yet he was excepted and made into a superstar by black people. I’ve never heard the SJWs go on about him.

  23. @ BiGiC

    Was that supposed be satire? I can’t be bothered finding the links but those things have absolutely and publicly been given the most heinous of all categorisations: “Problematic”

    Do keep up, dear.

  24. Went to this British day in Guangzhou a few months ago where this Chinese chap had ‘white faced’ up and was wearing a suit and bowler hat. Us Brits found it hysterical of course but everyone was saying “Christ, imagine if we did something like that back home?!”

  25. MyBurningEars,

    “Whatever happened to “they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” by the way? Thought that sounded like a good idea myself.”

    It’s the old problem of lunatics taking over the asylum when something is over. Most of the people who marched with MLK wanted change so they could do things with their lives. Which they then did. Which left a vacuum filled by professional busybodies.

  26. Bloke in Germany in Cyprus

    I’m deadly serious about the yoga thing. And am sufficiently non white that they would feel obliged to take me seriously. Except I am not female.

  27. Bloke in Germany in Cyprus

    Omfg. There are thousands of pages out there about yoga being culturally appropriation. Entirely seriously. Agonising about whether to stop doing yoga.

    There’s batshit, and there is you. Cannot. Fucking. Make. It. Up.

  28. Bloke in North Dorset

    Doesn’t this rather fuck up ‘multiculturalism”

    Indeed. It was the parents and grandparents of these SJWs who started the ball rolling by telling us not only did we have to tolerate all these foreign practices and cultures, we mostly did anyway, but that we had to embrace them. There was no greater way of doing this than copying their culture.

    They taught their offspring well. Pick a non-cause that nobody cares about and involves minorities, tell them they are the victims of some made up oppression, get a few of the thicker, vocal, ones on side then create holy fuck. It guarantees endless Govt funded work in the BBC, Guardian, academia and think tanks where you don’t have to justify yourself.

  29. @MBE
    ” pre-existing hegemonies/patriarchies/cultural experiences are inherently asymmetric”

    I’m trying to get my head around how a bunch of dirt poor Europeans, many of whom had been involuntarily transported to the New World by hegemonic European justice systems, can themselves be regarded as a hegemony.
    And failing.

  30. Like most of us, I’m much more interested in the character of my neighbour than the colour of his skin. If he’s a well-read, interesting bloke who doesn’t play loud music at night, and doesn’t throw litter and generally behave like a cunt, I’m cool with him. If he behaves like a cunt, I don’t care if he’s black, white, yellow, pink or beige, we’re going to fall out.

    (I’d prefer my country to remain recognisably and definitively English, but I like a little variety and I’m happy that we’ve got curry houses, the Vunipolas etc etc.)

    But these wankers are pushing me to my limit. It’s almost as though they’re trying to divide us.*

    *They are. As I often bore on, the only plausible explanation is that this is not about cultural appropriation, it’s about sowing chaos so that the state gets to step in and crack down. It’s a long game, they’ve been playing it for decades, I think they’ll lose because they’re pushing it so far that 90% of the population can see it’s shite.

  31. “I’m trying to get my head around how a bunch of dirt poor Europeans, many of whom had been involuntarily transported to the New World by hegemonic European justice systems, can themselves be regarded as a hegemony.
    And failing.”

    It’s fucking ludicrous. The even stupider part is that if you are from Latin America you’re a “Person of Color” even if you’re white and descended from conquistadores. Because Latinxs (sic) are ‘oppressed’.

  32. Bill Whittle – Appropriate This! (5 min video)

    If cultural appropriation is bad that must put an end to anyone wanting a black or female James Bond. It’s also a shield against claims of racism if white authors don’t dutifully write a rainbow assortment of characters.

    Rob said: “Doesn’t this rather fuck up ‘multiculturalism””

    Multi-culti isn’t about integrating into one big happy clappy society. It’s about balkanization so that politicians and bureaucrats can act like a mafia godfather, getting groups competing against each other for the godfather’s favour and running a protection racket on us all.

  33. One thing that struck me rather forcefully when I was in Harlem last week was how similar it was in many ways to Lagos, and I don’t just mean visually. The behaviours of many of the local inhabitants were very similar. If somebody had big balls, they could study this.

  34. Biggie–good luck with saving Cyprus.

    As to this yoga matter it has already been pointed out on the blog some time ago–sorry I forget by whom–that Yoga as we know it today copied quite a few of its methods etc from 19th century British Military Physical Jerks routines. Which themselves prob owe something to the early 19th century antics of the Swede Ling and others.

    Bollocks to it all.

    Purge the bastards./ Drive them out of the Unis and clean all socialist grime from same.

    Also –the more I see the more I realise how wide the CM scum undermining society have reached.

    This link for example–interesting indeed. The Purge will have to be much more widespread than I first envisaged.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imZqThKeEww

  35. Most of the article is whinging by minority writers who demand that they be privileged over writers with talent and imagination such as Lionel Shriver; it’s the same victim literalism as illustrated by your piece last week about actors acting transexual rather than actual transexual actors.

  36. “It’s fucking ludicrous. The even stupider part is that if you are from Latin America you’re a “Person of Color” even if you’re white and descended from conquistadores. Because Latinxs (sic) are ‘oppressed’.”

    Until you shoot a black guy, at which point you become white.

  37. Bloke in Germany in Cyprus

    I seriously recommend googlling “yoga cultural appropriation”.

    Either this seriously is considered “problematic” in bien pensant circles or the large amounts of deadpan satire are indistinguishable from the real thing.

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  39. ‘The issue is white people appropriating/stealing music of black origin’

    Cos whites are people. Blacks are cells of a group. Dr. King taught that blacks are people – an important message in the 1960s. Dems have morphed the message into blacks being a group, not individuals. If someone steals my music, it’s copyright violation. If someone uses ‘black’ music, it’s cultural appropriation. The Dems have condemned the blacks, and the blacks keep voting for them.

  40. I overheard somebody say “Long time, no see” today and I immediately thought it was a microaggression against an east Asian, I’ve read too much Guardian.

  41. There’s a quote from Buddha you see about which is: “Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened”
    Culture is a bit like this too in that you can take/copy/appropriate from a culture but the originating culture has not been diminished. They can go on as before, if they want to. There’s a phrase in economics text books for such goods and services but I can’t for the life of me remember what it is.

  42. I’m listening to Internet radio. The last four songs, in order, have been a Swedish band called Kent doing an indie alt-rock song, in English, a black French guy doing a ska cover of a White Stripes song, multi-ethnic War playing Slippin’ into Darkness, then Natalie Merchant doing a bass-heavy sort of Joan Osborne-ish pop-rock track. And now it’s the Youngbloods with Darkness, Darkness, which is folk psychedelia. Who’s appropriating whom?

  43. Strange that Ms. Convery failed to criticize the likes of Marian Anderson, Wynton Marsalis, Seiji Ozawa and Andre Watts for appropriating the music of dead white Europeans.

    Funny how that works.

  44. Andrew Carey

    Non-rivalrous – if Bloggs enjoys it, that doesn’t stop Jones enjoying it too

    Non-excludable – nobody can prevent Bloggs from enjoying it

    Non-rivalrous + Non-excludable = Public good

  45. Tim Newman – “One thing that struck me rather forcefully when I was in Harlem last week was how similar it was in many ways to Lagos, and I don’t just mean visually. The behaviours of many of the local inhabitants were very similar. If somebody had big balls, they could study this.”

    And African-American family patterns are reverting to African norms.

    Someone would need balls of steel the size of the Himalayas. Because people like Ironman will scream racism. However culture is clearly hard to change. Generations of slavery did not change Black male’s sexual preferences for the larger girls. Why would it change anything else? Culture is a stubborn thing.

    Which is why concern about cultural appropriation is stupid. Even though a world without Iggy Azalea and Miley Cyrus is so appealling.

  46. @ BiGiC

    I told you!!

    It’s amazing. Especially because the yoga craze is especially strong amongst the worthy young ladyfolk of the internet, and they are torn between so many competing virtues, plus their overriding self-obsession, so it’s fascinating.

    They find it really hard to explain why rich white men are the problem, but some still get there in the end.

  47. Thank you MyBurningEars
    Non-rivalrous is the word.
    There could be an academic paper worthy of a Masters for a 21 year old in proving that all cultural behaviour worthy of appropriation is a sub-set of activities that are non-rivalrous.

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