The Clinton Organisation’s really worried, isn’t it?

If Donald Trump is elected president, will he and his family permanently sever all connections to the Trump Organization, a sprawling business empire that has spread a secretive financial web across the world? Or will Trump instead choose to be the most conflicted president in American history, one whose business interests will constantly jeopardize the security of the United States?

The Clinton’s take actual cash money from foreign governments. Trump takes money from developers in foreign countries.

Trump’s the one with the conflicts of interest?

48 thoughts on “The Clinton Organisation’s really worried, isn’t it?”

  1. I don’t like Trump, mostly because he’s a leftist liar, a fraud, and an all-round dickhead. He took his daddy’s money and made less of it that an actual businessman would have. He’s right on some things – the threat of Islam – if he’s telling the truth. His solution to that is less credible (and I’m not saying I know the solution).

    But.

    I remember Paul ‘SJW’ B telling us a while ago – a year maybe – that Hillary’s emails were nothing. The stories coming out of the US about that scandal are astonishing and vastly bigger than (for instance) Watergate. And yet barely a mention in the British press about it, and the US media full of people saying there’s nothing to see here. That single issue alone ought to disqualify her and lead to numerous arrests and jailings.

    And the polls are interesting. The electoral college system makes it hard for Trump, but maybe.

    America is fucked, either way. The left have won and the country is lost. The west is lost, really.

  2. The Clinton Foundation is every bit as big a reason for Killery to be in jail as the emails.

    Add that to her health and it is obvious that the MSM are just shills for leftism.

    It is equally obvious that people have had enough. The useful, productive people that is.

  3. Interested,
    That’s too negative.

    If the West was really lost, then we wouldn’t continue to see improving living standards and all the rest. We’re seeing that people will put with so much, but no more, and then corrections happen.

    Meanwhile, it’s been a terrible summer for politicians. Always a good sign.

  4. oh for God’s sake. Look at what the Clinton Foundation actually *does*.

    I know you have Hilary derangement syndrome but if you cannot see what Trump is and you are not scared by it, you are more of a bloody fool than I sometimes think you are.

  5. Trump may be a jerk but Hillary is a criminal. The surprising thing is how many people, like Luis above, are in total denial.

  6. If Trump put his business in a blind trust or had no contact with it at all, does anyone really think he won’t be still running it? Meetings with lawyers, meetings with people able to pass messages on, even sending emails to his top managers – I can’t see how anyone could know if he was running things or not.

    Certainly he can set things up so his company has an advantage or can place itself in advance of public notification of something. That already happens in politics.
    He can also set things up so his competitors come off worse than they would otherwise. If they aren’t careful.
    How could anyone prove it was him and not his top managers managing things?

    It is suprising to come across a businessman going for high political office direct rather than the more common career politicians. Makes a change – and this one has rather more chance than most business people that try.
    Whether he can make anything of the job? That’s what history will decide.
    There was a previous President who was not well liked, who was looked down upon by many politicians. Who helped cause a major breakaway. He was not even invited to be a key speaker at an event (Gettysburg cemetary) until well into the planning.
    And these days he’s probably the best loved President. Lincoln.

  7. Luis Enrique: “…if you cannot see what Trump is and you are not scared by it…”

    What’s to be scared by, considering the much worse alternative?

  8. It’s a pretty crap choice for US voters…. That said – Ms. Clinton’s recent alt-right speech was indicative of her direction – couple that to her track record and that’s a recipe for much profound unpleasantness – imagine a world run by The Guardian….

    Either way there’s going to be a lot of pissed off people in the USA.

    Colin Powell seems to have the measure of the lady as do the whistleblowing Secret Service guys – I note she has yet to get a defender from her ex-bodyguard contingent.

    Imagine Cherie Blair running for PM

  9. Zorro: You are off your meds again.

    Not liking freeloaders who come to your nation (first to mooch and then to get kitted out with the vote so they can complete the destruction) does not make someone Adolf Hitler.

  10. Worst case scenario (from the US liberal viewpoint): Trump is President for four years. Any legislative actions are constrained by Congress anyway, so he can’t do that much damage. If he’s half as bad as they say he is, the Democrats will win with a landslide in 2020.

    Presumably their real fear is that he’ll actually be an effective President, and he’ll reveal that our globalist emperors aren’t wearing any clothes.

  11. Look at what the Clinton Foundation actually *does*.

    It’s a money laundering operation that spends a small percentage of its takings on charidee as a figleaf and pours the rest in the Clintons’ pockets.

    Trump’s business sells real estate services. The Clintons sell access to and favours from from the US Government.

  12. If Trump put his business in a blind trust or had no contact with it at all, does anyone really think he won’t be still running it?

    I doubt he’ll have the time, and I doubt the US media (in spite of their refusal to hold Obama and Clinton to account) would let him get away with it.

    And I really don’t think he needs the money.

    But supposing he abuses the Presidency to make a few dollars more in his hotels and golf course businesses – so what?

    This would be graft on a quaintly old-fashioned cottage industry scale. At the moment the entire machinery of the US government is a chambre a louer for big monied interests, as the various Hillary email leaks confirm.

    It’s why the establishment is so palpably terrified of Trump. He threatens to put a halt to their merry-go-round.

  13. Martin:

    It is suprising to come across a businessman going for high political office direct rather than the more common career politicians.

    The problem with politics is the common career politician who has very little experience of the world outside politics let alone being able to run a business. I wouldn’t trust many in Westminster to run a bath.

  14. “Look at what the Clinton Foundation actually *does*.”

    In terms of charitable work, very little.

    In terms of selling access, quite a lot…

  15. @bloke in france

    hmmm… according to a report I saw – her latest public outing was soundtracked by James Brown’s “I Feel Good” – somebody mebbe missed that he died of … pneumonia.

  16. Dunno if the Clinton Foundation is worried or not. But there are issues around Trump’s businesses that would need to be resolved somehow should he win the election. I have no idea whether the Clinton Foundation presents similar issues should Hillary win.

    Thing is, I’m not convinced that Trump actually wants to be President, that much actual desire beyond some vestigial “you could be President when you grow up, son” childhood American Dream bollocks. He’s got zero political background, and zero experience of any form of government. Reagan got elected as Governor of California twice. Trump doesn’t appear to be that successful as a businessman either, and there’s some speculation knocking around about how much cash he actually has, and how much direct control over it he has anyway. What he does have is a media profile from the Apprentice, and that appears to be leveraging his image from the 90s anyway.

    So, whatever he’s doing, it’s got to be good for the brand. And it has to generate cash, probably fairly promptly.

    Now Hillary does have the political experience. She’s been Secretary of State, and First Lady. Should she win, she’ll be the the first female POTUS, and the second Clinton. The Greatest American Political Dynasty Ever didn’t manage two Presidents, and the one they did got his brains blown out.

    If both Mom and Pop have been President, where does that leave Chelsea?

    What if Hillary isn’t corrupt, but Trump believes she is?

  17. “I know you have Hilary derangement syndrome”

    Lol. Coming from the Left which has maintained a dog-whistle pitch scream of derangement about every Republican president since Lincoln.

  18. Trump really is an awful candidate. And yet Hillary cannot put him away. I think he has a good – and improving – chance in this election.

    I believe this based on the sales of her book. Which have collapsed. No one likes her. If she can’t ramp up the hate, get the Black vote out, she is in trouble.

    However the fact that the media is doing all it can to incite violence and the Courts are handing out love taps to the people who do try to kill him, I am not sure he will ever occupy the White House.

  19. Ducky –

    Thing is, I’m not convinced that Trump actually wants to be President

    If so, he’s making an impressive job of hiding it. He’s been doing up to 3 major events nearly every working day for a year now. And constantly appearing on TV and radio.

    A 30 year old would find that exhausting. Trump’s 70 and still looks raring to go.

    I’ll have whatever he’s having.

    Trump doesn’t appear to be that successful as a businessman either

    I wish I was as unsuccessful as a multi-billionaire with a string of supermodel wives, property all over the globe, and my own range of bestselling books and top rated TV shows.

  20. Ducky: Crap analysis.

    You don’t know if the Clinton Foundation has “issues”?. You need to do some remedial reading. Start with Charles Ortel.

    The Foundation is a super-sized scam.

    “Now Hillary does have the political experience.”
    So did Uncle Joe Stalin etc. So fucking what –she’s an experienced liar, cheat and bullshitting criminal.

    In those areas the unskilled are vastly to be preferred.

    “She’s been Secretary of State, and First Lady.”

    And a right super-fucked up mess the bitch made.

    ” Should she win, she’ll be the the first female POTUS, and the second Clinton. The Greatest American Political Dynasty Ever didn’t manage two Presidents, and the one they did got his brains blown out”

    She should have her brains blown out. We agree there at least.

    You need to find a better stretch of riverbank Ducky cos you have been eating the wrong sort of weed entirely.

  21. DuckyMcDuckface – “Dunno if the Clinton Foundation is worried or not.”

    The DNC maintains hacks on TW’s blog?

    “But there are issues around Trump’s businesses that would need to be resolved somehow should he win the election.”

    What? You have stated that there is a problem but you have not said what it is. What is it?

    “I have no idea whether the Clinton Foundation presents similar issues should Hillary win.”

    Of course not. Why would you?

    “Now Hillary does have the political experience. She’s been Secretary of State, and First Lady. Should she win, she’ll be the the first female POTUS, and the second Clinton. The Greatest American Political Dynasty Ever didn’t manage two Presidents, and the one they did got his brains blown out.”

    She was an appalling SoS. A uniform failure. And I don’t see how trashing the women Bill assaulted and looking over dinner menus amounts to much as experience.

    The Bushes did manage two Presidents. Not the only family either.

    “What if Hillary isn’t corrupt, but Trump believes she is?”

    Trump should know. He paid for her to attend his wedding. She is. There is no question.

  22. And yet barely a mention in the British press about it

    But every day on the BBC there is a new article on how Hillary is feeling much better or Trump has upset somebody. They’re not even bothering to hide it. I am comforted that I think this will help Trump more than harm him, though.

  23. Tim – But every day on the BBC there is a new article on how Hillary is feeling much better or Trump has upset somebody. They’re not even bothering to hide it.

    Yar. They’re willing Clinton to win just as they did for Obama.

    Lulzily, their report on Hillary’s collapse at the 911 memorial concluded “Donald Trump has health questions of his own”. And that’s not a one off. They’ve repeatedly insinuated – on the basis of nothing – that Trump has hidden health problems.

    Mostly written by Anthony Zurcher, one of their Washington correspondents who looks like an AIDS patient.

    It’s better projection than Cinema Paradiso. Can’t be long before they accuse Trump of bungling in Libya and enabling Bill Clinton’s sexual predation.

  24. Does a politician need to have business experience first? Does a businessman need to have been a politician first?
    Considering the number of politicians who have little or no experience of running anything who then get given charge of entire departments and massive budgets….
    I’m not saying he will be a good president. Not saying he will be a bad president. Just that other presidents and politicians have managed political office despite not having been a politician before.
    Chucked in at the deep end.

    Ultimately is there much difference between someone running for one office over someone running for another office when neither has any experience of that office? Will the public accept a lawyer running for congress/senate/governor? Will they accept an actor running for such?

  25. Can’t be long before they accuse Trump of bungling in Libya and enabling Bill Clinton’s sexual predation.

    There’s no golf course in Benghazi and while Hilary was at Trump’s wedding BillC was in a Trump funded motel down the road … sorted.

  26. Yar. They’re willing Clinton to win just as they did for Obama.

    Please, BBC and Grauniad, try another letter writing campaign to random Septic voters. It might work this time!

  27. Now it’s out there this health issue won’t go away.

    I think J Galt may know?

    But the data is mounting up
    1. symptoms from longish date
    2. DNC did not put kibosh on Hillary
    3. Pres, FBI & CIA in the pocket of the dems, still thought she’d be a good candidate
    4. variable speed of her degenerative condition
    5. probable side effects of several different meds

    That should be enough for a Dr Google search….

  28. Tim Newman: “But every day on the BBC there is a new article on how Hillary is feeling much better or Trump has upset somebody. “

    I’m just hoping the ‘Guardian’ tries another Clark County gambit. Oh, the laughs we had from that!

  29. Two points:

    1) If Hillary Clinton was destined to be POTUS, she’d be finishing her second term at the moment. She lost the nomination to an obscure Illinois senator of no particular distinction for a variety of reasons, none of which she as actually addressed in the past 8 years. She is running the same campaign she ran in losing to Barack Obama.

    2) Donald Trump is tapping to the same political undercurrent that Barack Obama tapped into 8 years ago. There is, of course, a huge difference in style, but no real difference in substance. Obama ran as an outsider who would remain above the base politics of the political establishment. Trump is running as an outsider who has pledged, implicitly, to ignore the base politics of the political establishment.

  30. [O]h for God’s sake. Look at what the Clinton Foundation actually *does*.

    I know you have Hilary derangement syndrome but if you cannot see what Trump is and you are not scared by it, you are more of a bloody fool than I sometimes think you are.

    Following Sentence One with Sentence Two produced one of the best belly laughs I’ve had in a while.

    I knew you were a horse’s patoot, Luis, but I never dreamed you were that clueless.

  31. If Donald Trump is elected president, will he and his family permanently sever all connections to the Trump Organization,

    I’m pretty sure no one who takes public office in this country has ever been required to *permanently* divest themselves of all their holdings.

    Typically the stuff is placed in a (nominally) independent organization (like how a Super-PAC works for the benefit of a politician but is not allowed to coordinate activities with them) for the duration.

    To say that Trump is a risk because he might allow his company’s (and his) long-term benefit to affect how he views policy is to say the same thing about Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

    Even if you believe that the CF is squeaky fucking clean the same potential for abuse exists and you’d need to be calling for her to sell off her and her family’s interests in it.

  32. Luis, don’t you mean “Faux” news, where all us “Rethuglicans” hang out? You know it could be—just possibly, mind—that the Hillary-haters here are a mite more sophisticated than that. It is also the case that if something does appear on Fox News it is not ipso facto wrong. That would be a crass logical fallacy and I’m extending you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not that stupid.

  33. [A]re you fucking halfwits actually getting your information from Fox News?

    Ah, the battle-cry of every lefty douchebag who cannot muster a fact to support his prejudices.

    Let me ask you, Luis: Have you read the Clinton Foundation’s audited financial statements, or its Form 990?

    Let me answer for you, Luis: Of course not.

    I have.

    And unlike you, I actually understand both. Timmy’s answer is both spot on and supported by the facts.

  34. Zorro lost his marbles after Brexit.

    He has existed in a Twilight Zone of pure terror since then.

    The silken sad uncertain rustling of each purple curtain,
    Thrills him, fills him with fantastic terrors no mortal ever felt before.
    And so to still the beating of his heart he stands there entreating,
    Trump it is we must be defeating–Trump we must be beating,
    Only this and nothing more–here he opened wide the door.

    Trump was there and nothing more.

  35. @tomo, September 16, 2016 at 10:16 am

    “Imagine Cherie Blair running for PM”

    Arrrggghhh, thanks (not) tomo – I will be having nightmares for weeks.

    I need mind bleach.

  36. @Pcar

    mebbe that was a bit too strong…. not seen much of the witch of late – can’t compete with Wendy Deng / misplaced her broomstick I presume.

  37. We should sympathise with Luis, really. The senior common room took the Brexit result harder than anyone (all those grants!!), and it’s always struggled to see beyond the end of its own nose. I have a Cambridge don in my street whose house (upstairs and downstairs) and two cars now carry handmade posters showing the EU flag with the slogan “Part of the 48%.” Gives me a laugh every time I pass, tho’ I’m not sure that’s his intention.

    Anyway, Craig Pirrong’s piece on the probity of Hillary and some of her supporters is worth a read.

  38. Ducky said
    >Should she win, she’ll be the the first female
    > POTUS, and the second Clinton.
    >The Greatest American Political Dynasty Ever didn’t manage two Presidents

    John Adams & his son John Quincy Adams

    William Henry Harrison & his grandson Benjamin Harrison

    Teddy Roosevelt & his 3rd cousin Franklin Roosevelt & Franklin’s wife (& Teddy’s niece) First Lady Elinor Roosevelt

    George Herbert Walker Bush and his son George Walker Bush

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