Well, maybe Donald, maybe

Europe is ‘close to the limits’ of its ability to accept waves of refugees and economic migrants, one of the EU’s most senior officials has warned.
European council president Donald Tusk delivered the stark message as he joined world leaders at the G20 summit in China.

I’m currently sitting in a Bohemian town which has housing for about 130,000 people and 80,000 people rattling around in it. The quality of the housing is variable it should be said. But you could drop 20,000 people in here and there infrastructure is all here.

So I’m not really sure that Europe is full. And this part of Bohemia really isn’t the only part of Europe that this is true of.

Not that I’m actually suggesting it of course. And the Czechs aren’t either – the refugees themselves seem to prefer the other side of the border in Germany as well.

However, there are some local no go areas. And it would be an interesting experiment to drop, say, 500 young male Pashtuns into one or two of them. Would give the local gypsies (themselves largely immigrants from Eastern Slovakia a couple of decades back) a run for their money.

39 thoughts on “Well, maybe Donald, maybe”

  1. “And it would be an interesting experiment to drop, say, 500 young male Pashtuns into one or two of them”

    Try it were you live in Portugal and see how you like it Tim.

    We have plenty of scum of all types to be going on with ta very much.

    Any more need to be kept out. And our CM “leaders” smashed.

  2. Much like the idea kicking around in the late 90s – allow Hong Kong people in, but only in Ulster. Leave the nationalists, loyalists and tongs to fight it out.

  3. But on the main point, the limit of accepting immigrants isn’t just about physical infrastructure; it’s also about ability to assimilate.

  4. “And it would be an interesting experiment to drop, say, 500 young male Pashtuns into one or two of them. Would give the local gypsies (themselves largely immigrants from Eastern Slovakia a couple of decades back) a run for their money.”

    No need. We’re currently running the Muslim vs Roma ‘experiment’ right here in Normacot.

    It’s going as well as you might expect:

    http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/13-teens-released-on-bail-after-racially-motivated-violence/story-29664292-detail/story.html

  5. Not sure there’s that many Roma in the UK. Lots of travelers, yes, but actual right out Roma? Unconvinced.

  6. You could put 950 million extra people in Greenland before it reached the population density of the UK, although most of them probably don’t want to go there.

  7. “Not sure there’s that many Roma in the UK. Lots of travelers, yes, but actual right out Roma? Unconvinced.”

    In Edinburgh about 90% of the sellers of the Big Issue are Roma, along with about 50% of the normal beggars.

    “Now I’m not racist but” they do seem to me to be the ethnic group that has the least to offer us, or anyone, in terms of intelligence, work ethic, attractiveness and cleanliness – basically they are the scum of humanity.

  8. And
    “Europe is ‘close to the limits’ of its ability to accept waves of refugees and economic migrants, one of the EU’s most senior officials has warned.”

    It depends on whether you mean Europe the geographical area or Europe the polity. Our masters in Brussels are catching on to the possibility, they keep imposing immigration on Europeans they could find themselves the refugees.

  9. > Not sure there’s that many Roma in the UK

    Plenty have arrived from Eastern Europe since you last lived here Tim.

  10. This is true even in the UK. Those of us who like to point out that the country is bursting at the seams, are often met with the rejoinder that the UK (they never choose England, for some reason) population density is significantly less than that of the Netherlands. But if you draw an area the size of the Netherlands that includes Greater London, there’ll be about 25% more people within its boundary.

    Of course there are vast tracks of Northern Scotland (and the Pennine moors and Dartmoor/Exmoor) where there’s plenty of ‘room’ for new arrivals – but very few of them want to be crofters, for some inexplicable reason.

  11. Again, population density is one thing. But tens of thousands of unskilled, illiterate migrants – what would they do? Why do we need them?

  12. Of course there are vast tracks of Northern Scotland

    No track I know of is vast, they are usually quite narrow.

    Vast tracts on the other hand…………

  13. Tim Worstall: “Not sure there’s that many Roma in the UK. “

    There are more than a few (and like BraveFart suggests, they have cornered the SE ‘Big Issue’ market, and also the Tube Begging franchises).

  14. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    Just sticking people into ex-Soviet (ok CSFR) tower blocks does not solve or prove anything. The kids need access to schools, doctors, guns….

    I saw a docu on Austrian TV a few years ago, where this town in Slovakia had introduced Apartheid. The Roma were locked up at night in afore-mentioned CSFR tower blocks, while the “native” Slovaks lived contentedly
    in their bungalows on the other side of the “Peace Wall”.

    Not unsurprisingly Vienna is full of them too. They’re a big nuisance in DIY stores, where they try to offer their services helping the customers load thier cars.

  15. Not sure about Slovakia. That definitely happened here in Usti nad Labem in 1990, 91. Built a wall down the middle of the road to keep the Roma in their apartments away from the good honest unemployed Bohemians on the other side.

  16. Depends on your definition of “Full”.

    If you mean full to the point that the indigenous population whose lives are being made visibly and inexorably worse by a vast influx of mostly unskilled and freaquently violent young men with no intention or incentive to integrate peacefully, over which they have no control despite making manifest their disquiet at every opportunity; then yes I think you could say we’re fucking full.

    Since when did politics become a game of fucking sardines??

  17. Tim

    Your experiment has been tried across most of Western Europe and is currently being run across Germany and Sweden (for example) – the problem is that a number of these immigrants have no discernible skills to offer – in addition, their cultural backwardness is endemicto their religion.Furthermore on a demographic basis, the birth rate in many of these countries is above 4 children per couple and in most of Europe it is below 2, in some cases well below.

    As the great Mark Steyn points out, in the long run demography is destiny, and given the coming conflagration between Militant Islamism and whatever variant of Western civilisation chooses to oppose it, it seems an act of supreme folly to bring in potential fifth columnists whatever the ostensible justification.

    Neverthless a robust response is clearly needed. Given events on the other side of the channel, we may need to begin operating a ‘shoot to wound’ policy with the inhabitants of ‘the jungle’ whose militancy is increasing. Additionally for those people smugglers convicted (which I appreciate is difficult as they usually have a string of patsies to take the blame) the repeal of the 13th protocol and immediate introduction of execution by firing squad – and potentially the resurrection of acts of Attainder for their families need to be introduced as a powerful disincentive to those facilitating people smuggling.

  18. @Chris Miller Actually the populatoin density of England is higher than that of the Netherlands. There are vast empty tracts in the NE of the Netherlands.

  19. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Worstall – “That definitely happened here in Usti nad Labem in 1990, 91. Built a wall down the middle of the road to keep the Roma in their apartments away from the good honest unemployed Bohemians on the other side.”

    And it will inevitably come to the UK too. In fact all over London you can see people adding gates to their roads. We will all live behind bars and fences, trying to keep the zombie hordes out, because our politicians did not have the brains to protect the weak and vulnerable by enforcing the border.

    We need a less than zero immigration target. Mass repatriation is the only alternative to collective suicide.

  20. Chris M

    “Those of us who like to point out that the country is bursting at the seams, are often met with the rejoinder that the UK (they never choose England, for some reason) population density is significantly less than that of the Netherlands. ”

    Otherwise known in these parts as the Frances Coppola gambit.

  21. BiS
    The London tube is a deep joy compared with the Paris Metro (Gare Du Nore a particular foul smelling hell hole)

  22. Van_Patten, ‘shoot to wound’ only makes sense in warfare, where you take out a wounded soldier and the comrades who stay behind to care for him.

  23. Bloke in North Dorset

    its Holland that has the high population density but as most Brits don’t understand that Holland is a region of the Netherlands they think it means the whole country is densely populated.

  24. Population densities (WikiP & ONS): UK 255/sq km; NL 413/sq km; England 417/sq km

    Since I last researched this (about 5 years ago) it seems England has overtaken NL (good, that’s my new fact for the day ticked off). But it remains the case that when we say ‘England is overcrowded’, we’re usually thinking of a quadrilateral drawn between (say) York, Liverpool, Exeter and Dover, rather than Cross Fell. And there the density is well over 500, probably closer to 600. And the only significant country (as opposed to city states like Monaco or Singapore) with a higher density is Bangladesh.

    Japan has a population density of 336, but if we play the same game as ‘Central/Southern England’ and just consider Honshu, that gets us up to 447.

  25. JuliaM – shoot to wound makes no sense in warfare, you might miss and they might then kill you. I gather most experts on the subject recommend that you don’t even point a weapon at someone unless you intend to kill them.

    The main thing is to shoot to hit, that means aim at the centre of mass, which means in the case of these immigrants, their sense of entitlement, and failing that, the chest. Chances are it won’t kill them in many cases.

    They will then require expensive medical treatment, which I would hope the French would be taking care of – they’ll be delighted about that (who cares…)

  26. It’s unfortunate that by being among the publications supporting immigration, the Big Issue ensured that Roma and other organised gangs muscled out homeless people from selling it.

    I can’t remember the last time I passed a Big Issue seller and didn’t hear “Beeg Eeshoo” being shouted.

  27. Just had a bit in our local BBC news program about Roma in Sheffield and other places in Yorkshire. They had one woman who had been here for 3 years with her kids in school who love the place. She couldn’t speak a work of English. After 3 years.
    The Roma came here because the old east European countries have made them very unwelcome. As should we quite frankly.

  28. Bloke in Italy/ Julia M

    The bloke in Italy has it – force the French medical system to triage the wounded – my guess is it won’t be tolerated for long. The construction of facilities to process the lorries and vehicular traffic should also be considered – surrounded by medium yield land mines, automated machine Guns with rubber bullets and medium voltage fencing – in every car the goal is to enhance discomfort – a slow painful death is worse (I imagine) than a quick one, no?

  29. More odd facts: the 32 or so London boroughs account for about 1% of the England land area and 0.5% of the UK land area. But suggest to an immigrant in Ealing they should look elsewhere for affordable accommodation and they snipe back that it’s not realistic.
    On the other hand, that London land area is almost identical to the area of Singapore and Hong Kong combined, but with about 5m fewer people. When people look at the skyline in HK and Singapore they see ‘awesome’. Suggest the same height and building density thing in London, and the same people think ‘not here matey’.

  30. When there is no sales of 15+ sunscreen in England the politicians will be content.
    All they have to do then is burn the history books
    Nobody will then believe that Britain was once populated by a people speaking a strange dialect – english.

  31. @Richard, September 5, 2016 at 9:25 am
    “Much like the idea kicking around in the late 90s – allow Hong Kong people in, but only in Ulster. Leave the nationalists, loyalists and tongs to fight it out.”

    The yardies and other similar tried, didn’t work out well for them. Ulster and RoI are still generally unreceptive to useless or criminal immigrants – I wish rest of UK was equally backward sensible.

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