I simply don’t believe this happens

A teacher at a school for orphans and troubled teenagers in Ukraine is accused of plotting to sell a 13-year-old pupil to organ harvesters.

No, I believe that a sting operation caught someone willing to conspire to sell. But I don’t believe that the actual buying, by actual organ traffickers, happens:

The grim and lucrative trade in organ trafficking exploits the world’s most destitute people, earning criminals up to $1.2 billion in illegal profits every year and leading to an estimated 10,000 black-market transplants each year.

Last year, more than a dozen countries, including Britain, signed the first ever international treaty to combat the horrific business, prohibiting the donor or a third party to make money from organ transplants and granting victims the right to compensation.

I do believe that people are paid for organs. Which is, in the current parlance, trafficking. But grabbing some random kid, killing them and extracting the organs? I simply cannot see it actually happening. No, not because people wouldn’t do it if it worked, but because it won’t work because:

Tissue typing.

Criminals, money, organ transplants, yes, can see all that happening. Kidnapping and murder of random people for it? Nope.

23 thoughts on “I simply don’t believe this happens”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    No matter what the girl’s tissue type is, and no matter how much someone wants some organs, the main value of any girl is going to be for sexual purposes.

    I mean, how much money is there is illegal organs anyway? They are claiming >quick calculation< $120,000 per organ transplant? That is about what the operation would cost. How much is left over for the teacher kidnapping the child? Which is much riskier anyway because people react poorly to kidnapping people for organ harvest, the crime is more or less obvious as there is a body floating down the river, and it is hard to find that many people who will keep their mouths shut.

  2. The most profitable business would combine the two. Run a brothel will all sorts of girls of different blood groups, bone marrow types, etc.; and whenever a client needs a new liver, bump off the girl with the best match. A bit like that film The Island.

  3. So Much For Subtlety

    The Japanese are way ahead of you Andrew. They expelled a British journalist for writing a column about a restaurant where you could have sex with an animal and then eat it later.

    Not the best tenderiser I would think.

  4. Kidnap and murder fort organ harvesting? No. Urban myth.

    Kidnap and murder for voodoo & African rituals. Yes. But can’t critiscise, because ‘cultural ishoos’…

  5. No matter what the girl’s tissue type is, and no matter how much someone wants some organs, the main value of any girl is going to be for sexual purposes.

    Yup. And – as BiS often points out on here – when you see how much you need to pay a pretty young Ukrainian thing do stay with you for a couple of hours, the effort of kidnapping one for the same purposes seems like an awful lot of trouble.

    Incidentally, I’ll be in Ukraine myself in a couple of weeks. Should I research this further, do you think? :-/

  6. @Tim N

    I expect there are some sickos that only like it when the girl (or boy) isn’t at all willing. Or they are underage.

  7. What JuliaM & SMFS said.

    This is one of those that goes round and round, bobs up every so often, then disappears again. Nothing every proven, a little circumstantial evidence maybe, but not copper bottomed. See which other papers pick it up…I bet not many will.

  8. Of course, whether or not this is actually happening, it would be far less likely if the sale of organs was legal. The extra organs would reduce the price, and thus make criminality less profitable.

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “Incidentally, I’ll be in Ukraine myself in a couple of weeks. Should I research this further, do you think? :-/”

    It is a hard life but I think we would all regard that as a public service. Think of it as a sacrifice in the pursuit of knowledge and the greater good.

    Cynic – “I expect there are some sickos that only like it when the girl (or boy) isn’t at all willing. Or they are underage.”

    Sure. But why couldn’t they ask their Significant Other to put on a Japanese School girl uniform and cry “No, Help, Save me”?

    It may lack verisimilitude but it also involving a lot less talking to the Plod.

  10. “I expect there are some sickos that only like it when the girl (or boy) isn’t at all willing. Or they are underage.”
    Premium rate services.
    Some underage whores are being forcibly raped well into their thirties.

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    It must be true, I saw it on the BBC website and they have 1,000s of Fact Sherpas and Fact Sherpa Coordinators and no doubt a few Fact Diversity Coordinators as well.

  12. “The Telegraph deals in urban legends? Don’t they have editors?”

    I think they flew the coop long ago. The Telegraph is now just those “ten things you didn’t know about…” living in the hollowed out carcass of a once respected brand.

  13. “It must be true, I saw it on the BBC website and they have 1,000s of Fact Sherpas and Fact Sherpa Coordinators and no doubt a few Fact Diversity Coordinators as well.”

    And Non-Volent Direct Action Organic Fact Diversity Coordinator Organisers.

  14. So Much For Subtlety

    Cynic – “I imagine for the true “connoisseur” it has to be, or believed to be (BiS), the real thing.”

    I am willing to bet that for most people – even virtually all the men into that sort of thing – the fake would be better than the real thing.

    Some significant percentage of the population, including or perhaps especially the female population, likes rape or domination fantasies. Virtually none of them actually do it in real life.

  15. I hope we’re forgetting Non-Volent Direct Action Organic Vegan Fact Diversity Coordinator Organisers who self-identify as Alphanumeric?

  16. This reminds me very much of the whole “snuff” movie scare. After much snuffling around not one instance of a real murder being filmed for the purposes of commercial distribution ever turned up.
    As anyone with any sense could work out, such a film would only have to be offered to the “wrong” person once for the police to be down on the distributor’s head and for there to be murder/accessories charges all round.
    Even apart from the difficulty of finding appropriately-skilled psychopathic co-conspiritors, it would be far easier, safer and much more profitable to make legit porn films – certainly in the 1970s when the myth began.

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