Nope, Polly’s still not got it

Rupert Murdoch and the Daily Mail bullies won Brexit, and now wield the whip more nakedly over the government than ever. The arrival of Fox News in the US and the Sun here were cultural game-changers, one repugnant man distorting whole nations with his greedy, dystopic vision.

Supply chases demand, not creates it.

Tits’n’football outsell SJW maunderings because people are more interested in tits’n’football than SJW maunderings. That’s all you need to know about why The Sun outsells The Guardian.

Murdoch didn’t create the desire for tits (TITTIES!), he pandered to it. there is less to be pandered to in the publication of SJW maunderings.

Social democracy is not dead because it remains the only way to live in decent, peaceful, reasonably fair societies. The NHS, decent housing, infrastructure investment, good schools, good jobs and social security are essentials to be paid for from taxes, the best-off shouldering most.

Health care, housing, schools, jobs, these at least can, and are in much of the world, provided by market actors and forces.

23 thoughts on “Nope, Polly’s still not got it”

  1. “Health care, housing, schools, jobs, these at least can, and are in much of the world, provided by market actors and forces”, leaving the UK to fund their social security when the world turns up on its doorstep.

  2. I’ve generally thought (when I’ve bothered to think about it at all) that it was Sun v Mirror and Times v Graun, with the right of centre rags consistently outselling the others. Sun and Mirror are pretty much alike these days (now that titties are banned) apart from their politics. Yet the Soaraway Sun keeps outselling… what else can it be other than folks preferring its outlook?

  3. She really is desperate for the kind of power she thinks the Mail has. It’s all a cry of me, too with Polly. Eejit

  4. The Sun, with it’s blokey, right of centre non-PC view of the world is the best selling newspaper among the sort of people Labour and the Leftie luvvies think should be supporting them and has been for decades.

    Have they not noticed?

  5. Of course they haven’t noticed, Andrew. If they ever ventured out of their N London fastnesses and spoke with the ordinary working people they claim to support, their heads would explode. “Bigoted woman” would be the very least of it.

  6. Andrew C

    No they haven’t. They notice when those people don’t vote for them though. Then they call call racist, misogynist or just plain stupid…. and then go back to not noticing again and just taking their vote for granted.

  7. Most papers have readers who vote in ba particular partisan direction – Telegraph readers heavily lean Tory and Ukip, Guardian heavily Labour/LD with a bit of Green, Mirror heavily Labour.

    For all that scribblers in other papers moan about detestable Murdoch bias influencing the election, the one daily national whose readership closely resembles the UK electorate’s political mix is the Times, which has a significant chunk of Lab and LD voters but rather more Tory. And bizarrely the next best approximation is the Sun! Rather more right-leaning than the UK population but not extremely so – as a working class newspaper it still has quite a few traditional Labour voters.

    People are not so stupid as to be unable to read behind the lines of a political slant. But the ones reading the Sun may well be more interested in the sport and sleb stuff, I suspect the politics is not their prime motivation for buying it.

  8. Does anyone remember if Polly was slagging off The Sun when it supported Blair?

    Obviously, she would have looked down her supercilious beak at the uncouth and ill-washed readership but was its proprietor akin to Satan in those dreamy, far-off days before Gordon Brown took over and The Sun switched allegiance?

  9. > And bizarrely the next best approximation is the Sun! Rather more right-leaning than the UK population but not extremely so – as a working class newspaper it still has quite a few traditional Labour voters.

    Yup. During the Thatcher years, approximately 50% of Sun readers voted Labour. It’s almost as if they have minds of their own or something.

    That’s the problem with this popular belief that people think whatever a newspaper tells them to: it’s always other people. Polly doesn’t believe for one moment that her opinions might be changed if she were to read The Sun for a week. No, she’s far too clever. So are all her friends and fellow believers. No, it’s just those weak-willed morons who need to be protected.

    How anyone can hold this belief without being regularly slapped is beyond me.

    And whenever anyone complains about Fox News, I tell them the story of Juan Williams.

    There was actually research done a couple of years back that concluded that people who read opinion commentary are more open-minded and willing to change their minds than people who just read “unbiased” news reporting. The researchers themselves were surprised: they’d been expecting to prove the opposite. Seems like a pretty obvious finding to me, but there’s none so blind.

  10. Juan Williams? A quick Google suggests he may have said something about muslims that didn’t go down well. What happened to him after that?

  11. Anyone who thinks that the state is providing decent housing for people in the UK, really needs to be spend less time in Italy.
    Ironically we had better housing before Labour in 1997 than after it.

  12. Rupert Murdoch and the Daily Mail bullies won Brexit, and now wield the whip more nakedly over the government than ever.

    When News of the World ran illegally-garnered information, that was awful, because Murdoch.

    When Gawker did it to Hulk Hogan, how dare anybody protest, or even help provide counsel, because not-Murdoch, and Gawker was right-thinking. And Peter Thiel isn’t really gay because he’s wrong-thinking.

  13. Whenever I see a Transit van being used by workmen – typically builders – there usually is a folded copy of the Sun resting in the space between the bottom of the windscreen and the dash.

    The men who buy and read that newspaper are the ones who keep the lights on, renew your roof, mend your washing machine, unblock the sewers, and do everything else that enables witless dugongs like Polly Toynbee to sit in ease and comfort and pontificate about the working class.

    She has been handed her megaphone not for any reasons of personal merit but solely because of her parentage. Academically she was a dismal failure and only received her university place through influence: she is stupid as well as spiteful and utterly, utterly wrong about everything, all the time.

    Similar creatures infest the BBC (‘Jenni’ Murray, I’m looking at you) and are entirely ignorant of the fact that they are mere tools, useful idiots promoting a world-view that very nicely suits those in power: the banks, the corporations, and those who manufacturer arms as well as conflict in such places as Iraq, Yemen, Libya or Ukraine.

    There is one glimmer of light, however: the poodles of the ‘media’, in their coverage of the American election, have been so much discredited that even the credulous are beginning to take notice and have doubts about the shit they are being fed. Let us hope this trend continues, that the Guardian Media Group finally runs out of cash, and that the world will no longer have to endure the disgusting eructations of Toynbee and her kind.

  14. Polly’s simple brain sees everyone in groups: all Sun readers vote Tory and are racists; all Guardian readers are goodthinkers and sound people. All Trump voters are bigots and thick, just like all Brexit voters. All good jobs are from the State. She is simply unable to cope with the complexity of real individuals making their own rational choices in the real world.

  15. Fox News hasn’t made that much difference — it preachs mostly to the converted.

    Also, Fox is, to its credit, openly right-wing. That makes it less effective at changing people’s minds than mainstream networks which successfully pretend to be objective, and are much better at covering up their political leanings.

  16. S2: people who read opinion commentary are more open-minded and willing to change their minds than people who just read “unbiased” news reporting

    This is particularly true in the UK at the moment with regard to Donald Trump and the overwhelming view here that he is a dangerous loon. The primary reason for this, I suspect, is the endless chorus of anti-Trump “news” on the BBC and in the media generally with a secondary factor being that it doesn’t have that direct an impact on the lives of people here (barring nuclear codes) so the diet of crud has been swallowed uncritically.

    Consequently a lot of Brexit-voting Brits were and are terrified at the prospect of President Trump and we can expect Marine to be depicted and perceived as a she-devil incarnate in the springtime and this despite the prospect of Frexit bringing nothing but joy.

  17. > Juan Williams? A quick Google suggests he may have said something about muslims that didn’t go down well. What happened to him after that?

    The thing about Fox News is that they like a fight, and therefore invite lots of left-wing commentators on so they can argue with them. Juan Williams is pretty damn left-wing (and also black, if that matters), and was a guest on the Bill O’Reilly show for years so that he and Bill could shout at each other. On one show, he talked about the unease he feels when he’s about to board a flight and sees obviously devout Muslims in the queue — but then he talked about how important he sees it to fight those prejudices within himself. It was a perfectly reasonable point about the conflict between prejudice and reason. MSNBC, his employers, promptly quoted him out of context and fired him. Fox immediately hired him for something like double what MSNBC had been paying him — we’re talking six figures here.

    He’s talked since about how the quote was just a pretext; MSNBC were looking to fire him for appearing on Fox News at all. He believes in argument and persuasion, so goes on Fox News to get his point across to people who disagree with him. Most of the American media believe in shouting down and prefer to boycott Fox.

    He’s also made the point that MSNBC, in firing him for their supposedly “anti-racist” reasons, got rid of their only black commentator.

  18. It is extremely bizarre that anyone could conclude from the Trump win that the stupid voters are doing whatever the media tell them to. But apparently quite a lot of people have managed to reach that conclusion. They are truly in some other universe. It has nothing in common with mine except, sadly, geography.

  19. “Witless dugong” is indeed excellent, if a little unfair to dugongs, who are relatively svelte and good-looking by comparison with La Toynbee.

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