So, civilisation advances on then

Police officers and firefighters are to undergo publicly funded ‘menopause classes’ to teach them how to help female colleagues going through the change.
Emergency services staff will receive special training where they will learn how to deal more sensitively with co-workers experiencing hot flushes and mood swings.
Taxpayer-funded monthly classes will be run by a GP, Louise Newson, who dubs herself the ‘Menopause Doctor’, to try to halt a flood of older women leaving the services and to ‘destigmatise’ the issue.

I’m not wholly and entirely sure that this is quite what civilisation needs but look at it the other way around.

Ain’t it just grand to live in a society with such a surplus of production that we can support people doing jobs like this? The specific job, well, meh, but even the possibility of the surplus to allow it is glorious.

29 thoughts on “So, civilisation advances on then”

  1. I see your point – we weren’t rich enough for this sort of nonsense even 20 or 30 years ago – I’d just prefer the “nice new things” we get to be an HTC Vive or put in my Porsche 911 fund.

    And really, don’t we want older women quitting? Get shot of 50 year old firefighters so we can get some fit new people in? It’s obvious what’s behind this – they have targets of women in the fire service and are desperate to retain or improve the target, even if it means everyone working around them.

    YOU, menopausal woman are the problem. If a bloke is sending photos of his penis to the women at work because his wife left him, no-one does training for the women to accept that shit. We either discipline him, or get him some help. If someone with menopause is being a moody bitch, she can sort her shit out.

  2. Yes, its nice that we have a society that is so productive that we can have pointless non-jobs.
    What isn’t nice is that some poor sod, a productive member of society, is going to be taxed (have his hard-earned money taken away under threat of force) more to pay for this shite.

    Couldn’t we just, y’know, not tax the people more to pay for this, by not having these classes?

    As BiW says, she should just sort her shit out.

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Emergency services staff will receive special training where they will learn how to deal more sensitively with co-workers experiencing hot flushes and mood swings.”

    How long does it take to say: “Avoid them like the plague.”?

    And its not just the cost of the trainer but the time that firefighters aren’t being productive. It may be at the margins but eventually you need more firefighters to cover the role whilst their colleagues are off training.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    Ain’t it just grand to live in a society with such a surplus of production that we can support people doing jobs like this?

    As the joke goes, as the Irish man sped past the 36th floor, he said “so far, so good”. As it happens you are looking at a snapshot of decline and assuming it is a stable long term solution.

    No, we do not have the surplus for this nonsense. We are in transit from a situation where firemen put out fires, to a new world where firepersons emote their feelings all day and couldn’t put out a zippo.

    We can have services and businesses that work, families that are intact, children that are born and are happy. Or we can have this sort of insane feminism. Not both. The only solution here is to send the women back to the kitchen to make the sandwiches.

  5. SMFS,

    I think that things will spring back a bit. When they fail to put out fires, people will elect different politicians to sort it out.

    See, I think things like people not voting for Miliband, then voting for Brexit and it looks like, supporting May in the face of the Guardian being horrified at how she’s shifting into Brexit territory are part of this.

    We’ve had what I think may have been an inevitable era, when identity politics ruled – an overreaction to a previous era of homophobia, sexism and racism. No-one liked to point out the immigration problem in public for fear of being branded a racist. But that’s over now. People who are called racists for it are just telling the Enemy Class to shut up. People are calling May a fascist, but I can tell you out in the sticks, her rhetoric is basically what your average person wants.

    I really don’t want women firefighters. Jobs aren’t about giving people opportunities. They’re about getting the job done. If that’s a woman, fine. If that’s a man, fine. Can’t do the job because of the menopause? Fuck off.

  6. The money to pay for this nonsense is borrowed money — that is, deferred taxation.

    And after menopause training, there’ll be period leave for younger women in the fire service.

  7. I think that things will spring back a bit. When they fail to put out fires, people will elect different politicians to sort it out.

    Well, that’s the optimistic scenario. The more likely one is that the people, bombarded with propaganda from the media telling them that the increase in buildings burning down is due to “Tory cuts to funding”, will demand more magic money be spent, which will of course be spent on hiring more menopausal women and more political reeducation.

    As for our grand surplus, this stuff is in fact being paid for from a huge deficit. As said above, it’s looting any future ‘surplus’ which may or may not actually exist.

  8. Chernyy_Drakon: ‘Yes, its nice that we have a society that is so productive that we can have pointless non-jobs.
    What isn’t nice is that some poor sod, a productive member of society, is going to be taxed (have his hard-earned money taken away under threat of force) more to pay for this shite.’

    THIS! In spades.

  9. And also, of the 50+ women in my office, only one appears to have any significant (work affecting) issues with the menopause.

    So it’s even more of a waste of money than you’d think!

  10. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in Wiltshire – “I think that things will spring back a bit. When they fail to put out fires, people will elect different politicians to sort it out.”

    They haven’t in Detroit yet. You assume an ethnically homogeneous population. We do not have that any more. The Left can win in America by blaming White heterosexual males for everything. That gets them enough of a coalition together to take things from White heterosexual men to give to their coalition of losers.

    Britain is not yet in a position where that coalition of losers is a majority but it is not far off. Another generation. Then they will prefer to take things from Whites than solve any of their own problems. See Zimbabwe.

  11. Rob,

    “Well, that’s the optimistic scenario. The more likely one is that the people, bombarded with propaganda from the media telling them that the increase in buildings burning down is due to “Tory cuts to funding”, will demand more magic money be spent, which will of course be spent on hiring more menopausal women and more political reeducation.”

    Sure. But it’s not working, is it? We’ve had years of “baby eating Tories” but the public just voted for Cameron. May is lightyears ahead of Corbyn.

    In fact, the left has just lost it, completely. And not even the hard, Corbyn left, but even people like Nick Cohen.

    I’d gladly listen to a filmmaker exploring the problems with benefit reform. There have undoubtedly been people who have suffered in the process. But the flipside is that the system was, for many years, a pisstake. We can see that from the huge numbers of people who quit when they got a letter. The problem is that Loach is like “The Tories hate poor people”.

    Or these people protesting libraries who start talking about the Tories being like the Nazis burning books. The reality is that libraries have been in decline for decades – books got cheaper and cheaper and people would rather not have to rush a book back, maybe read it again etc. I’ll bet this march today is full of the people that left-wing marches always get – marxists, establishment types, students. You won’t have any kitchen fitters complaining about the damage to his daughter’s education. It’s as cheap for him to buy a book on Amazon as park his car to rent it.

  12. If there were examples where not knowing about the effect of the menopause on a colleague would put lives in danger then there is a very good argument for a training course. Like to see more than mere what ifs asserted by a course merchant. But given that they could exist there’s the question of opportunity cost… what training foregone by menopause training would have saved more lives.

  13. … of the 50+ women in my office, only one appears to have any significant (work affecting) issues with the menopause.

    Quite so, Julia. Also, the assumption that menopausal women need to have colleagues trained to allow for their mood swings is deeply patronising. It’s the sort of thing that has my wife and daughter frothing with rage. Either women can function in the workplace as well as men, or they can’t and so need various special measures to help them do so. Yet the femiloons want to have it both ways.

  14. Sure. But it’s not working, is it? We’ve had years of “baby eating Tories” but the public just voted for Cameron. May is lightyears ahead of Corbyn.

    It is working though. If it wasn’t working this story would never have happened.

    Electing Cameron et all did the square of fuck all to stop or even slow down the SJW bullshit. The machine grinds on.

  15. Decadence.

    It ended Rome.

    That’s not quite right though, to conflate complexity with decadence. All civilisations have a greater or lesser degree of complexity and specialisation; it’s their defining characteristic. Decadence is something else again, perhaps the extent to which a society is willing to sacrifice its wealth to preserve the status quo.

    Now it might be true that complexity leads to decline. That was Joseph Taitner’s thesis in “The Collapse of Complex Societies”: specialisation makes societies vulnerable to shock, and that there are diminishing returns to ever greater refinement. Though I always thought he was bit vague about why there is a necessary relationship between complexity and collapse, nevertheless the argument was an economic one rather than the cultural one that decadence is the cause. If you want to make the latter argument you be better off drawing the analogy between the droits de féodalité dominance and bank bailouts, and not that transgender awareness facilitators are going to doom us.

  16. I stand by it. An internet search for Rome and decadence returns hundreds of thousands of links. I don’t need a droit analogy.

  17. In a rare foray into pendantry, isn’t the ‘on’ in the title superfluous? You don’t advance backwards or sideways.

  18. “Ain’t it just grand to live in a society with such a surplus of production that we can support people doing jobs like this? ”

    But we don’t. We have governments holding interest rates artificially low so they can borrow more and more money to ‘support people doing jobs like this’ so they can pretend the economy isn’t completely hosed.

    In ten years, the money will have run out, the real economy will have collapsed, and there will be no more ‘jobs like this’.

  19. “Though I always thought he was bit vague about why there is a necessary relationship between complexity and collapse”

    I thought it was quite simple: ever-increasing complexity comes at ever-increasing cost, and soon you reach a point where further increases in complexity result in a negative return. At that point, you have two choices: reversion to a less complex state, or complete collapse.

    We’ll know in a couple of days which of those the West has chosen. Right now, my money is on complete collapse, but I’m still hoping for a surprise.

  20. Rob,

    “Electing Cameron et all did the square of fuck all to stop or even slow down the SJW bullshit. The machine grinds on.”

    It actually cut quite a lot of it. Various fakecharities went to the wall as that money disappeared. But only out of necessity. Cameron was a waste of space. My decision to join the Conservatives after May took over was based on a few things she did that give me hope.

  21. Can’t we crowd-fund a scientist somewhere to prove that men have hormone cycles and need a few days off a month to cope with being randy? 🙂

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