That’s brave

I will only accept Brexit on MY terms says Jeremy Corbyn as he tells Theresa May he’ll force a spring election if she doesn’t agree

As in, very courageous Minister. Except, of course, without the possibility of becoming a minister bit.

So, what do we reckon is the over and under for Labour seats at a swiftly called GE?

28 thoughts on “That’s brave”

  1. There’s nothing I’d like more than an election now. Call their bluff and it removes all democratic objections they are holding on to. Brexit parties win by a landslide.

  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    I can’t see it happening. They need to either get a 2/3 vote of all MPs, not just those present, or a vote of no confidence and a new Government can’t be formed within 14 days.

    So it will need Labour turkeys to vote for Christmas or the Government voting that it has no confidence in itself, which is likely to play out oddly in the ensuing campaign.

    I also think they’ll want to get the boundary changes through and AIUI that won’t be until 2018.

  3. One thing I don’t understand about the FTPA is that a government may well find it easier (and more politically convenient) to repeal the act itself, then go for an election, rather than to obtain the 2/3 majority. Obviously there is a question of timeframes etc but in many ways it is an act asking to be repealed…

  4. I also think they’ll want to get the boundary changes through and AIUI that won’t be until 2018.

    Which is probably why Jezza is bringing it up now – a last desperate rearguard action to preserve his built-in electoral advantage.

  5. Also hilarious that the sort of law that exists for centuries in other countries barely lasts half a decade before we start looking for ways to sidestep its main purpose.

  6. Just playing devil’s advocate, would it not be possible that in many areas you would end up with two ‘Conservative’ candidates – either an official Brexiteer and an unofficial Remainer, or vice versa – splitting the Tory vote? A big enough number of Tory voters are Remainers to make it interesting, esp if UKIP get involved and the other parties form unofficial coalitions aimed at electing Remain MPs.

  7. Least plausible bluff in history. He isn’t just trying to bluff with a crap hand. He just doesn’t have any cards at all.

  8. MBE

    One thing I don’t understand about the FTPA is that a government may well find it easier (and more politically convenient) to repeal the act itself, then go for an election, rather than to obtain the 2/3 majority. Obviously there is a question of timeframes etc but in many ways it is an act asking to be repealed…

    If push came to shove, guillotine?

  9. But the FTPA won’t be repealed by MPs. They’re on quite a nice screw for their ability. They rarely give it up without a fight.

  10. Interested

    3 line Tory whip and a guillotine?

    On the basis that right now the Tories would expect to keep their seats and gain some?

  11. Just playing devil’s advocate, would it not be possible that in many areas you would end up with two ‘Conservative’ candidates – either an official Brexiteer and an unofficial Remainer, or vice versa – splitting the Tory vote? A big enough number of Tory voters are Remainers to make it interesting, esp if UKIP get involved and the other parties form unofficial coalitions aimed at electing Remain MPs.

    Not really. A Tory candidate will reflect the wishes of both the party in terms of the manifesto and the local Conservative Association who have the power of both selection and deselection.

    You might get some issue with a local Conservative association that wants BRExit in an area that voted for Remain in the referendum, but I suspect that would be very much the exception.

    They need to either get a 2/3 vote of all MPs, not just those present, or a vote of no confidence and a new Government can’t be formed within 14 days.

    If Theresa May does go to the house on BRExit then it seems to me that any vote would have to be not just a 3-line whip, but a confidence motion. Thus a vote against BRExit would lead to the automatic fall of the government.

    Theresa May is no fool and although there is a potential for short-term electoral advantage by calling an early election while Labour are in disarray over Corbyn, there is a far greater prize and potential Tory landslide to be won by dealing with BRExit forcefully and holding off on an election until after 2018 when the boundary changes and reduction of the numbers of members of parliament is implemented.

  12. I think May would be happy to have an election soon, provided she could portray herself as having been forced into it.
    A motion to move article 50 attached to a confidence vote is the only way I can see that this could come about.
    Sure that misses the expected bonus from boundary changes, but she has no reason to expect as favourable a position in the polls as she has now in a few years time.
    I expect the motion will pass though, I doubt if there are enough MPs who want to fight an election on a remain ticket, or enough Labour MPs who want to fight an election at all, to vote it down.

  13. Corby is dumb and deluded enough to think he has some bargaining chips.

    What is Brexit his way? “Leave” the EU but have no control of our own borders? That will play well in ZaNu’s last Northern strongholds. “Yes–we the Party who love you wretched working class oiks so much still want you to be swamped by imports and end as a a second/third class minority in your own nation.”

    I can’t believe that Jezzas nasty little gang of henchmen McConnell etc are that dumb. They want a chance at power and they won’t get it by means of a ZaNu wipeout.

    A free vote for his clowns is Corby’s wisest choice but wise and Corbyn don’t go in the same sentence.

    May is certainly very stupid but also very nasty and possessed of an evil animal cunning. Playing dress-up as Thatcher 2 is her chosen gambit and she can’t waver now –or she will fall. “I would give you Brexit but those nasty Judgeboys and my own MPs won’t let me “isn’t going to cut it.

    It is victory or political death for her.

    The BluLabour boys will be whipped more than the pyramid builders. De-selection for any who refuse to support Brexit and any who try to go beyond just voting against–a la Interested’s thoughts, breakaway candidates etc, –will need extra measures.

    Use admin law to see they leave the HoC with nothing–zero compo and their pensions confiscated. Any dirt held back on them to be used.

    If admin law can’t cut that then bring in Selective Higher Income Tax. The traitors get all they are due–on paper– but taxed and 100% and maybe more.

    That should do it.

  14. Pat
    November 6, 2016 at 1:39 pm
    “Sure that misses the expected bonus from boundary changes, but she has no reason to expect as favourable a position in the polls as she has now in a few years time.”

    Agreed. At the moment she has the impetus with Brexit (passions could cool over time, resignation with the status quo set in) and importantly one of the least electable Labour leaders ever.
    If Corbyn is run over by a bus (figuratively or otherwise) tomorrow Labour will probably become more palatable, if only marginally, to a lot more voters.

  15. all Labour MPs resign with immediate effect….

    tumbleweed…… another tumbleweed…. and another … is that the sound of wind in the trees?

  16. Corbyn may be being (politically) clever.

    He’s a Leaver at heart, but knows he can’t say that because that’s no longer allowed amongst the polenta classes.

    He will also know that the Britain he desires is impossible within the EU. Let’s not forget that the EU is only the Beautiful Progressive Dream at certain times, such as June the 24th. It’s more usually regarded as a bastion of neo-liberal evil.

    So, Brexit makes Socialism possible. Labour just needs to win an election and have popular support for its plans.

    Why any genuine leftists are pro-EU is absolutely beyond me.

  17. Jack C–What???

    Jezza can hardly order his gang to vote remain and then campaign for leave in a GE. He is a fucking nutcase but nobody is that mental.

    If he wants leave without declaring for it–a free vote for his gang is his best shot.

  18. To skip sideways I see now that the media are pushing polls close and Trump can win there has been a surge in Latino voting in Florida and Nevada
    Sounds like the whole poll reporting has been one big switch and bait, report Trump as out for as long as possible then switch it up to frighten voters to turnout.

  19. I’m very happy to be a recently joined Conservative member who can call a Special General Meeting to deselect our MP if he tries anything (I doubt he will, he’s a remainer but backed May for leadership and is a “Brexit means Brexit” guy).

    Remoaners can absolutely die in a fire. It’s depressing losing elections. I’ve helped candidates, put in work, and lost. I know it’s a horrible feeling, but you sink a skinful of booze with your fellow losers, call Blair/Thatcher/whoever a cunt, call the public a bunch of twats, then a couple of days later, you’re right as rain. Sometime later,you might even realise the public were right. Or you rethink your strategy, or wait for the moment to fight again. Months later, these fuckers are still trying to overturn the democratic will of the people.

  20. Sounds like the whole poll reporting has been one big switch and bait, report Trump as out for as long as possible then switch it up to frighten voters to turnout.

    It doesn’t sound like that at all. It sounds like Clinton always had a decent lead. Which is closing as the poll arrives, as usually happens.

    To suggest that every polling operation in the US is in on some sort of concerted scam is tin hat territory.

    The Republicans have their own polling. They know what people are doing quite apart from published polls. Which is why some Republican Senators are not supporting Trump — they know that the polling (their internal polling, that is) suggests he is not very popular.

  21. @Bloke in Wiltshire “I’m very happy to be a recently joined Conservative member…”

    I am a long term member of the Blue Meanies with experience of the machinations of the provincial Nasty Party, and I can assure you that you have nothing to worry about from your MP. Any MP from west of the A34 and south of the M4 is a lifer and lobby fodder for the party whips.

  22. Chester Draws: Absolute piffle.

    The majority of the polls, like the MSM, are in the tank for Killy.

    The tactic is the same as they played during Brexit.

    The polls show Trump/Brexit has no chance–you might as well stay at home. Then–at the last minute–the polls tighten in the hope of motivating their gang to go and vote.

    As for the “legacy” GOP–they are scum who have shilled for the Killcunt all along and are now saying nothing or making feeble pro-Trump noises. Killy’s dick is certainly bigger than all of those cucks put together. All of them were willing to be. practically speaking. on her side and to watch her finish the job of wiping her arse on the Constitution. A job started by Obama. They are willing to watch that to keep their money and power rather than see a gang of oiks put their candidate in.
    Scum all of them.

    Also if the Demoscum are so confident, what is that scrawny, jug-eared Marxist cunt Obama doing? Telling illegals to vote–ie commit a crime–and nothing will happen to them. I suspect he is desperate and knows that Killy’s crime’s being exposed will expose his own.

    He should be impeached before he can pardon Killy. Washington’s republican politicians could move on that–if they weren’t a pack of cowardly, sell-out cucks, mired in their own crimes.

    Trump 2016.

  23. The newsflash is that Comey has confirmed for the second time that the FBI are not going to prosecute Killery as their computer program has reviewed all 650000 emails and claims there is nothing of substance in them.

    A more stupid plan could not be imagined. A fucking computer program?

    They might as well have put up a giant flag saying that the US govt–ie Obama– is in the tank for Killery. Kadzik–a bum chum of Podesta–headed up the DOJ “investigation” and they are known to have been trying to block the FBI at every turn all along.

    Whether Comey found his balls and has lost them again or whether what has happened was the plan all along doesn’t really matter. This is a truly terrible plan. A few naïve fools might swallow it but anyone with even just the brains of a gnat is going to smell the stench. It is just so brazen that once again the contempt that elite scum hold for ordinary people is not merely displayed openly but marched all over town with a brass band.

  24. Looks like they just looked at emails from or to Hilary and did a pattern match to existing emails they had and maybe looked at whatever was left over, very narrow terms it seems maybe so that they could report something quickly.
    Love how it’s spinned as cleared a second time as all they have said is there is no new evidence, be interesting to see if Huma reappears in the campaign party

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