The African ancestry of Queen Charlotte

Sounds a little unlikely:

In spite of its roots, we are apparently still perfectly comfortable using the phrase, even though royal blood has probably been mixed for centuries. There have been Africans throughout Europe since at least Roman times, and marriages between European royals, with their fondness for black servants, slaves and extramarital reproduction, make it unsurprising that Queen Charlotte, wife of George III – described, in an era when slaves were omnipresent, as “ugly”, with a dark complexion and flared nostrils – may well have had some African heritage.

Chattel slavery of negroes was actually rather uncommon in Northern Europe. Very uncommon in fact. Especially in insignificant German Duchies. As we’re told:

Claims of African ancestry[edit]

Margarida de Castro e Sousa genealogy and descent.
In a 2009 episode of the PBS TV magazine, Frontline, Mario de Valdes y Cocom claimed that Charlotte may have had African ancestry and speculated that Scottish painter Allan Ramsay emphasized the Queen’s alleged “mulatto” appearance in his portrait of her to support the anti-slave trade movement.[38]
Valdes incorrectly said that an early-19th-century medical practitioner, Baron Stockmar, was Queen Charlotte’s personal physician and that he had described the Queen as having a “mulatto face” in his autobiography.[38] In fact, Christian Friedrich Freiherr von Stockmar was personal physician not to Queen Charlotte, but to Prince Leopold of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in 1816, at the time of Leopold’s marriage to Princess Charlotte of the United Kingdom.[39][40]
On the PBS website page for this episode, Valdes interprets an excerpt of a poem reproduced there as attesting to Charlotte’s African features,[38] but it clearly refers to her as descended from the Vandals, an East Germanic tribe.
According to Valdes, Queen Charlotte’s African contribution could have been inherited three to six times over from one ancestor nine generations removed, Margarida de Castro e Sousa, a 15th-century Portuguese noblewoman, who traced her ancestry to King Afonso III of Portugal (1210–1279) and one of his mistresses, Madragana (c. 1230–?). Critics of Valdes’ theory point out that Margarita’s and Madragana’s distant perch in the queen’s family tree – nine and 15 generations removed, respectively – makes any African ancestry that they bequeathed to Charlotte negligible.[41] in any event, Charlotte shared descent from Alfonso and Madragana with a large proportion of Europe’s royalty and nobility.[41]
Madragana was perceived by Valdes as African because she was described as a Moor by a single author.[42] This is denied by most other authors,[43][44][45][46][47] that point out that Madragana was most likely a Mozarab: an Iberian Christian living in the Iberian Peninsula when it was under Muslim control.

Equally:

So might Queen Philippa, wife of Edward III, described as having broad nostrils and a wide mouth, and as being “brown of skin all over”.

Belgians? Not really, no. 12th century Belgians?

And then we get to the real point here:

If Harry was previously oblivious to the complex world of race and identity, he’s about to get a crash course. News of his latest relationship threatens to bring Britain’s simmering, unresolved issues with the myth of royal racial purity into the open. Markle may have found peace in the grey spaces of mixed identities, and has spoken of both her positive experience of blackness and the negative – seeing her mother called the N-word, and being passed over for acting roles by an industry that regarded her as too black to play a white role and too white to play a black one.

Nobody’s going to give a fuck. Damn, if we can accept the Middleton’s there’s nowt to worry about, is there?

23 thoughts on “The African ancestry of Queen Charlotte”

  1. Okay, I appreciate that I’m being “appearancist” here but, regardless of her Mum’s ‘race’ she certainly doesn’t look “black”. Hell, she doesn’t even look Mediterranean.

  2. Race-baiting CM bullshit.

    Or do they watch shite BBC shows like Robin Hood and Merlin and believe medieval l Europe was multi-culti.

  3. I have the horrible feeling it’ll all end in tears.

    Statistically, what does the fact she’s a well-known actress do to the probability of divorce within five years?

    What does the fact her last marriage lasted two years do?

    Racial issues are not the big red flag here.

  4. described, in an era when slaves were omnipresent, as “ugly”, with a dark complexion and flared nostrils – may well have had some African heritage.

    Is that not racialist?

    (As Ali G. would say)

  5. News of his latest relationship threatens to bring Britain’s simmering, unresolved issues with the myth of royal racial purity into the open.

    LOL x 1000. I think we just hit the bottom of the barrel.

    Which fucking century is this prick living in? In fact, which reality?

  6. Idea for a web site.

    You fill in your details (age, sex, kids, relationship history, job, financial situation, whatever) and that of your prospective partner.

    There’s some logit/probit regression the site uses to tell you the chances of the relationship failing at 5 yrs, 10 yrs etc, with confidence intervals for the uncertainty.

    Perhaps a paid version where you get to add extra risk factors and the risk breakdown is more thorough, indicating what the most damaging issues are. Maybe you have to pay up to get the 20+ year divorce odds.

    Just need a data set – presumably there’s been wads of social science and psychometric research done on this stuff – and a catchy name. Howlongsitgonnalast.com?

  7. So Much For Subtlety

    Nobody’s going to give a fuck. Damn, if we can accept the Middleton’s there’s nowt to worry about, is there?

    I don’t see why anyone would care what James Hewitt’s [email protected] son does. But it matters generally. The less White Britain becomes, the less able Britain is to function. No group of people of African origin show the slightest sign of being able to function normally in a modern society, much less run it.

    Everyone is going to give a f**k. After all people who say that racist don’t matter are usually obsessed with race. What they mean is that White people must not use race to further their interests but must instead accept their slow genocide. This is insane. Britain and the British must survive.

  8. What Rob said.

    > Britain’s simmering, unresolved issues with the myth of royal racial purity

    Seriously? The Guardian really do inhabit another universe, don’t they?

    This is like when the Scots got all incenced about the heir to the Throne not being allowed to marry a Catholic. As if that law wouldn’t be quickly changed if the heir to the Throne fell in love with (or wanted to marry for any other reason) a Catholic.

    Since the clusterfuck that was Charles and Diana, I think the British public, for the most part, just want our royals to marry someone they actually love and can be happy with. Everyone knows why Charles married Diana, and no-one thinks it was a good idea.

  9. > Okay, I appreciate that I’m being “appearancist” here but, regardless of her Mum’s ‘race’ she certainly doesn’t look “black”. Hell, she doesn’t even look Mediterranean.

    I’m always reminded of the “controversy” that Mariah Carey was marketed as white by her record company. Maybe she was, but she was marketed as white by her skin first.

  10. SMFS, my wife always gets upset when I joke that “William looks awfully like his father – and Harry definitely looks like his”

  11. “There have been Africans throughout Europe since at least Roman times”: I’m pretty confident that the people who say this kind of thing tend to rely on their own belief that the people they are preaching to – mainly Afro-Caribbeans, I assume – are usually too dim and ignorant (i) to distinguish North Africans (usually somewhat swarthy whites) from sub-Saharan Africans i.e. blacks or, as the old term had it, negroes, and (ii) to notice the absence of numbers in the assertion.

    In other words, preachers of this gospel tend to be pretty racist.
    Still, it’s a living, I suppose.

  12. The Pendant Adjudicator

    Geoff Taylor: “Middleton’s” – *grinds teeth and reaches for pendant*

    TW: Pendant replies – perfectly fair, daughter of the Middleton family

    I find for Geoff Taylor but commend Mr Worstall for a spirited and imaginative defence. Nice try.

  13. African? Eh? If anywhere I’d hazard a hint of Spanish, but even that is mostly because of skin slightly less pale than average.

    But no. The Guardian believes Britain’s white population is going to take one look at her face, jump in the pickup truck and start lynching black people.

    They are mentally ill.

  14. Bloke in Costa Rica

    Ah, but haven’t you heard? Treating people like individuals instead of members of a group: that’s double extra super rayciss.

  15. So might Queen Philippa, wife of Edward III, described as having broad nostrils and a wide mouth, and as being “brown of skin all over”.

    Stone me: I spent three years at The Coon’s College and never realised…

  16. A few months ago I saw a publicity blurb for someone claiming that Cleopatra (a Macedonian by descent) must have been descended from black Africans because they had measured her (no-longer-existent) skull and some ratios fitted that of negroes.
    As to Tim’s last sentence – maybe her nibs thouht that Kate was preferable to the risk of Diana’s bastard inheriting the throne after sending him to Afghanistan didn’t work. At least Harry seems to accept that he is expendable.

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    john77 – “A few months ago I saw a publicity blurb for someone claiming that Cleopatra (a Macedonian by descent) must have been descended from black Africans because they had measured her (no-longer-existent) skull and some ratios fitted that of negroes.”

    Ahhh phrenology. How we have missed the no-longer-fashionable physical anthropology. The small problem is Cleopatra’s descent is entirely known, she was, as you say, 100% Macedonian in origins – and was probably a little bit Nordic looking. Not Black at all.

    Oddly enough in the Nasser era monuments to Egypt’s past they always left off one dynasty. The 25th. The Nubian dynasty. Who were definitely Black if not 100% Negro. Am I allowed to use that word these days? But racism is only a problem when White people do it.

    “As to Tim’s last sentence”

    The whole problem with the royals is WW1. Since then we have not had enough German princesses to choose from. Yet again, a war that should not have been fought but perhaps, if it had to be, one we should have lost.

  18. “Diana’s bastard”??

    Regardless of Harry’s parentage, he’s legitimate.

    Besides, and as any member of the old aristocracy will tell you, a man’s first child should certainly be your own, but it’s desperately vulgar to enquire regarding the rest.

    I forget who said that.

  19. It is technically treason to suggest that Harry isn’t Charles’s son. Doesn’t bother me, but I know some of the people here can be quite royalist about that sort of thing.

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