Timmy elsewhereNovember 4, 2016 Tim WorstallTimmy Elsewhere28 CommentsA fascinating question about womens’ health care No, really, it is, you should go read it. previousFit young men ogle fit young womennextHistorical question of the day 28 thoughts on “Timmy elsewhere” Ljh November 4, 2016 at 9:17 am An obstetrician (specialist doctor) recognises incontinence as a possible side effect of vaginal delivery and, in private practice, will recommend pelvic floor exercises both before and after delivery. Midwives (specialist nurses) are only trained to assist with vaginal delivery which is a well known panacea for ills visited on women by the patriarchy, particularly doctors. Incontinence obviously shows lack of commitment by the individual. Guess who do most deliveries in the NHS? Jim November 4, 2016 at 10:01 am Its ironic that the same people who idealise the NHS and scream and scream until they are sick if anyone so much as suggests it might not be as good a system as other countries have are the very same people who by and large voted Remain and call the Leave voters ‘Little Englanders’ who are afraid of all things not invented here. Thereby confirming my belief that people who call others names are usually describing themselves instead. Mr Ecks November 4, 2016 at 10:27 am So the NHS hands out pads and tells new mothers to “Piss off”. Literally. The device would also help women sexually. The Jade Egg has been part of Taoist female sexology for centuries. As for the EU and NHS-sucking Remain supporters it was obvious that the EU had its sights on the NHS as it now exists. This very blog reported on the report (about 3 months pre-Brexit) where they said the NHS kills 68000 people every year who wouldn’t have died under continental systems. That sounds like a target being painted in the NHS to me. The irony is that leaving may save the fucking organisation. bloke in france November 4, 2016 at 10:31 am This is bollocks, I suspect. But I’ll ask my wife to ask her friends. Our youngest was born in France. No pre-partum advice. (Maybe because she was assumed to know the ropes.) In England, lots of outfits and counsellors available, Natural Childbirth Trust, etc. Another source of incontinence: some women get it during cunnilingus. Is the NHS supposed to fix that? Is the NHS responsible for people failing their driving test? I know you have an ideological bias against the NHS Tim, but this is not proof that other systems are better. Squander Two November 4, 2016 at 10:40 am The other thing about the NHS is that its structure discourages complaints. We know from experience that they can be forced to react: the Ulster Hospital actually created an entire new department to prevent some of the mistakes made in my wife’s case from being made again. But then she was nearly killed. Anything less than that, they tend not to react. A bit of incontinence? Yeah, they’re not going to care. Thomas Fuller November 4, 2016 at 11:44 am If you are about to be admitted to hospital, do NOT read this: http://www.pravdareport.com/society/stories/06-10-2006/84912-amputation-0/ Yes, it’s Russia, I know, but they’re quoting the Mail and that’s an unblemished source of 100% pure fact. Nemo November 4, 2016 at 11:56 am Blinking flip Timmeh, hang me for being a pendant but it’s ‘women’s health’ just as it’s ‘men’s soccer team ogles women’s soccer team’. That’s two posts in a row – is this now an in-joke of which I’m missing the point? Death to apostrophates! Tim Worstall November 4, 2016 at 11:59 am When it’s a plural the ‘ comes after the s. Cynic November 4, 2016 at 12:08 pm No, I think Nemo’s right, Timmy. “Women” and “men” are already plural forms of the noun, so the possessive should be “women’s” and “men’s”. But, yes, what you’ve said applies for “cars”, that’s be “cars’ windscreens” or suchlike. Is someone going to out-pendant me now, by pointing out summat I’ve just got wrong? Fen Tiger November 4, 2016 at 12:18 pm What Cynic said. Nemo November 4, 2016 at 1:10 pm Cynic’s got it: plural forms – men, women, children, etc. A simple test with these things is ‘does it work without the apostrophe?’ – and clearly mens, womens and childrens are nonsense; planes, trains and automobiles are fine. That test is most useful for things like others’ and each other’s; the latter is often erroneously written as each others’, but each renders other singular, so each others is nonsense, with or without the apostrophe. This extends to the object as well as the subject: you can sniff others’ arses, but you’ll be limited when sniffing each other’s arse. Hope that helps. Squander Two November 4, 2016 at 1:13 pm Cynic is correct. Tim is wrong. When a plural S and a possessive S are both required, we omit the possessive S: “dogs are cute”; “dogs’ ears are soft”. When the word is made plural without an S, this is not required: “men are ugly”; “men’s genitals are even uglier”. Both are cases of the writing following pronunciation, not some weird grammatical idiosyncrasy. In all cases, the apostrophe follows the full noun, whether its singular or plural. dearieme November 4, 2016 at 1:18 pm whether it’s singular or plural Pendant plus points there, I think. Squander Two November 4, 2016 at 1:39 pm Im going to claim this damn key on my keyboard has jammed. Yeah, thats whats happening. Cynic November 4, 2016 at 1:42 pm To be fair, Timmy does get a correct us of “whom” into that article, a word that I’ve only just begun to get the hang of. Do the findings of this article indicate that NHS = looser fandangles? That is actually a pretty serious matter. Although, after sprog-dropping, doesn’t that bit of woman-kit go into semi-retirement anyway? Cynic November 4, 2016 at 1:43 pm Oh, feck. correct use of “whom”… Bloody pendants’ curse caught me after all. bloke in spain November 4, 2016 at 1:54 pm On the pendantic stuff; isn’t it worth remembering why the apostrophe? It represents a letter that no longer there. Middle-english would have had an ‘e’ before the ‘s’ – both spoken & written. So the apostrophe does something like the French circumflex. Differentiates between words with separate meanings would otherwise be indistinguishable. dearieme November 4, 2016 at 3:34 pm Tim his beer -> Tim’s beer. Or so they told us in primary school. BniC November 4, 2016 at 4:15 pm NHS doesn’t even had standard for childbirth across the country, different trusts have different programmes for check ups etc., some perform tests as routine, others by request and others not at all, different advice and so on You would think it’s a common enough event to have consistent care plans and advice Squander Two November 4, 2016 at 5:14 pm > You would think it’s a common enough event to have consistent care plans and advice I wouldn’t think anything was. One of the key lessons I learnt from our travails with hospitals was that the person in charge of your care is whoever is standing nearest to you right now. Nothing to do with rank or expertise or pre-agreed procedures or any of the other things that sound sane. To be fair, though I am a fierce critic of the NHS, I believe this particular problem is not specific to the NHS and is caused by the attitude of medical staff in general, especially doctors. It is probably made a bit worse by the NHS’s structures, but I believe it exists elsewhere. Roue le Jour November 4, 2016 at 6:02 pm dearieme That’s what they told me, too. Skating quickly over Jane’s wine… Theophrastus November 4, 2016 at 8:06 pm Another source of incontinence: some women get it during cunnilingus. That would dampen anyone’s ardour. bloke in spain November 4, 2016 at 8:16 pm @Sq2 ” the person in charge of your care is whoever is standing nearest to you right now.” That’s the impression I got from my father’s terminal illness. So, by the time you’ve seen your sixth person you have six mutually incompatible care plans to cope with. But you can be assured that the patient’s GP isn’t one of them. You rarely see them & they’re at pains to deny all responsibility for anything. jgh November 4, 2016 at 9:38 pm Historically, side effects of medical treatments tends to be “yeah, that happens”. “I had my enlarged prostate treated and now can’t get a stiffy” Yeah, that happens “I’ve given birth and now continuously trickle wee” Yeah, that happens Actually said to my Mum: “Since I was 50 my back is getting stiff and it’s hard to stand up” Yeah, that happens Plus an attitude of “you’re old now/a mother now/you’re got plenty of children now, you won’t be needing that any more”. Martin November 4, 2016 at 11:22 pm Father in law’s care plan was first the nurses bullied him into having care then the social worker got involved and set up for carers to come in 4 times a day. Threatened my wife with legal action when she refused – my wife had been helping him bathe for several years and making sure he had meals and drinks – the same care he needed after coming out as before he went in. And please no one tell me social workers are not involved in care plans, this trust they are. Eventually got the care sorted by getting care supervisor involved but it delayed his release from prison, sorry hospital, by at least a couple of weeks. He ended up with physio twice a week – which the physio staff said he didn’t need and they had no clue why some idiot ordered carers for him. We ended up with a big thick folder, multiple care plans and wife still doing the care for him for several months. Bloke in Costa Rica November 4, 2016 at 11:40 pm When it comes to the NHS, the squeaky wheel gets the grease to a much greater extent than should be the case if it were even quasi-competently managed. Squander Two November 5, 2016 at 10:36 am jgh, Yes, my wife got “Yeah, that happens when you get old” about her literally crippling knee pain. This was when she was twenty-nine. Chris Miller November 5, 2016 at 3:56 pm What, not even a “take two paracetamol and come back in a week if it’s no better?” That’s outrageous! Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.