Well, yes, obviously

Old boys network helps men from private school…but not women

The clue is in the “boys” bit there.

20 thoughts on “Well, yes, obviously”

  1. The researchers also found that gaining a university degree helped in securing a top managerial or professional position, such as a chief executive, doctor or lawyer, by age 42.

    Having a degree in medecine is a prerequisite to becoming a doctor.

  2. Mmmm… Read the article but there’s something they don’t touch on.
    My experience, women are much more socially competitive than men. For guys, someone from your circle getting on & doing well isn’t much of a problem. Giving your peers a helping hand, along the way, is common. Women seem to reserve a store of hate for any of the sisters from their peer group who outperform them. Marriage, children & particularly career. How many newspaper pieces by women journalists on other women boil down to not much more than spiteful jealousy?
    I’d imagine it’s also why equality, soft socialism etc appeal particularly to women. The restrictions it puts on them as individuals are outweighed by the hampering of any of the competition doing any better than they are. And women do tend to see most things as a zero sum game.

  3. Or (says the non-Doctoral The Stigler), it’s that a large number of the prettier Pippas and Jocastas figure out early on that they can get the things they want by their natural advantages and that actually, focussing on socialising with rich men is probably more efficient than having a career.

    I know a young attractive woman in recruitment. She lives in Clifton in Bristol. Owns a mini, takes a number of holidays a year and wears lovely suits. That lifestyle is not paid for by sharing out the costs equally. Her high-flying boyfriend is picking up the big cost there (rent) and she’s using her salary for the nice stuff. I’d argue that her making sure that she goes to the gym to stay in shape is a more valuable use of her time than studying.

    On the other hand, if you weren’t genetically blessed, you probably should have a career.

  4. So Much For Subtlety

    As the great American philosopher Al Bundy, and others here, have noted – women hate other women.

    As even more others have noticed – women compete with other women for scarce resources. That is, good men. They will not help another woman if it means missing out. As a recent study showed, for a young pretty girl to include a photo in her job application reduces her chances of being employed. Somewhat counter-intuitive until you realise that HR departments are run by women in their 30s who may not want to recruit women in their 20s.

    The question is what can be done about this. I am sure someone will suggest quotas. Any other suggestions? 24 hour bondage-style masks?

  5. “On the other hand, if you weren’t genetically blessed, you probably should have a career”

    Explains many of the ladies I have worked with.

  6. Following on from The Stigler:

    Obvious idiocy aside I suspect the WAGS of those able to exploit the “Old Boys Network” are doing very well, largely because her significant other is able to exploit his network.

    Not a very “feminist” argument though, just a practical reality one.

  7. At Public Schools the emphasis is on team sports. So the guys who succeed are, in general, good team players. Is it any surprise (except to the Grauniad) that old boy nets tend to help each other?
    At Girls’ Schools the emphasis is on academic achievement – but there is also the factor that there are far fewer Girls’ Public Schools so the impact of Old Girls’ nets is so small that it isn’t statistically significant.

  8. I’ve never bought into this. I went to a public school and the only chap I’m in touch with from those days is now a semi-legal arms dealer, having retired from being a mercenary.

    University is where the connections are made.

  9. In general, women compete and men cooperate. It’s basic caveman stuff, he needs every spear to defeat those fuckers in the next valley, but she wants that little slut with the great rack to drop dead. That’s why both men and women prefer a male boss and why Hillary has a list of every single person she thinks has slighted her (if you needed another reason not to vote for her).

  10. A friend of mine, a female Russian engineer, has just found herself sharing an office with three other female engineers who are all expected to cooperate to deliver a certain task in a short timeframe. It is all part of my employer’s drive to promote women to the detriment of men in order to balance the numbers.

    My friend says it is an absolute fucking nightmare. She preferred working on sites in Russia with knuckle-dragging men with rows of steel teeth.

  11. “women do tend to see most things as a zero sum game”: I had to explain to a woman lately how some people could get richer without other people getting poorer.

  12. Tim Newman: University is where the connections are made.

    I doubt that there’s a hard and fast rule. For every “Brideshead Revisited” there’s a “Dance to the Music of Time” and personally I tend towards the latter more.

    John 77 is right, of course, about there being fewer Girls Schools that are widely known but a lot of Boys Schools aren’t exactly household names either.

    I suspect that boys and men tend to be more sentimental than girls and women and this might also have something to do with it.

  13. Unlike john77, I’ve always believed team sports encouraging “good team players” is a bit of a myth. In team sports at school level there’s usually more competition within teams than with the teams their opposing. The sort of assoles who get off on team games are doing it because they want to be seen as best in the team & heaven help anyone gets in their way. You see more useful cooperation & trust sharing amongst the guys trying to avoid the bloody things, busily covering up for & alibi-ing each other. Plus they get more chance to pursue real-world cooperative endeavours like getting their hands on alcohol & drugs & chasing crumpet.

  14. As the great bard Steve Archibald once said, “Team spirit is an illusion glimpsed in the aftermath of victory…”

  15. I’ve always believed team sports encouraging “good team players” is a bit of a myth. In team sports at school level there’s usually more competition within teams than with the teams their opposing.

    I wonder if that’s a difference between school teams playing soccer or rugby? It’s easy for 10 kids to all be chasing the soccer ball, a lot harder for 15 to all be rucking out a rugby one.

  16. This line in the article is curious:

    Those who grew up with advantages […] were far more likely to have made it into the top 15 per cent of British earners when they reach their early forties – defined as £85,000 per year for men and £76,000 for women

    But the ONS tells us that

    the top 10% of full-time employees earned more than £54,100 per year

    I can’t find a breakdown of the ONS figures by both percentile and by age. It’s possible to reconcile the ONS and the Telegraph’s figures, but it implies a significant leap in incomes at age 40-49.

  17. Andrew M said:
    “It’s possible to reconcile the ONS and the Telegraph’s figures, but it implies a significant leap in incomes at age 40-49”

    Isn’t that usual? Especially for the people in the top 10%. Certainly in a professional firm 40s is when you’d expect to be made partner if you’re going to get there.

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