Well, yes, obviously

Spain would reject any attempt by Nicola Sturgeon for Scotland to stay in the EU single market if the rest of the UK comes out, one of the country’s most powerful MEPs warned last night.

Esteban Gonzalez Pons, who leads the Spanish delegation of MEPs in the European Parliament’s largest political grouping, told the Telegraph that Ms Sturgeon’s proposals for a special Scottish deal are “impossible.”

Simply not going to happen, no way.

He said the Spanish government would oppose any plan by SNP ministers to stay in the EU single market if the rest of the UK leaves for fear of encouraging its own separatist movements in areas like Catalonia and the Basque Country.

Quite so.

And the Belgians wouldn’t be all that happy ‘coz of the Flemish, the Italians the Lega Nord, the Frogs would at least have an eye on the Bretons and so forth.

26 thoughts on “Well, yes, obviously”

  1. I like their analysis. Very self-serving.

    However, I suspect that the *real* reason is that Spain doesn’t want to admit yet another net-recipient into the EU, since it might affect their share of the cash.

  2. Bloke in Costa Rica

    It won’t stop Lego Heid and her legions of Demented Porridge Wogs for they are so very, very demented.

  3. ‘My government’ will have thought that through, but the over-riding factor is Catalonia.

    If Scotland gets a deal, then Catalonia declares independence.

  4. “the Frogs would at least have an eye on the Bretons ”

    Nah. The feeling I get in France is that the French would like separation from Paris. .

  5. Can someone tell me why the easiest way of getting out of the EU but keeping Scotland in would be for rUK to split from Scotland? So Scotland stays in because it is already in, and England gets to go its separate way!

  6. James in NZ

    We tried that, but they won’t oblige us. They want publicly to hurl abuse at the likes of Glendorran and BraveFart but privately vote along with them.

  7. James in NZ
    Scotland stays in because it is already in

    Not so I’m afraid. They would have to apply. I understand there is a line.

  8. “Not so I’m afraid. They would have to apply. I understand there is a line.”

    Hang on – if Scotland leaves ‘the UK’ then its outside the EU, and ‘the UK’ (what remains of it) is still in the the EU, right?

    So what is suggested is England (and Wales perhaps) leaves ‘the UK’ and is thus out of the EU, and then whatever of ‘the UK’ that is left (which might only consist of Scotland and NI) is still in the EU surely?

  9. @James in NZ,

    I’ve said this for some time – the easiest thing to do is surely for England and Wales to secede from the United Kingdom of Scotland and Northern Ireland – timed to coincide with Brexit day.

  10. the French would like separation from Paris.

    Indeed. And in the same way, most English would like separation from London. But both ambitions share the same fundamental problem, which is an economic one.

  11. I’m only repeating what was said at the time of the Scottish referendum. If Scotland leaves the UK, they would have to apply for EU membership.

    The UK is not a union of equals, it is England plus dependants. You can subtract dependents but not England. That’s why there is no English parliament.

  12. James in NZ, BiG:

    Yes, on the surface that appears to be an elegant solution. England and Wales leave the U.K. leaving Scotland “independent” and able to remain in the EU.

    Unfortunately you have underestimated just how demented the Demented Porridge Wogs (Cyber Division) are. They would oppose this for the simple reason that “UK = bad” and so Scotland remaining in the UK should be opposed at all costs.

    (Sadly I am not joking here)

  13. The EU doesn’t want any more basket cases even relatively small ones like Scotland. An extra S on PIIGS is not to their liking.

    There are scum –like Drunker or the Frankenstein-monster lookalike with his hair parted in the middle–who would take the Scots just to spite us ( and who don’t give a shit for the EU taxpayer/economy). But they aren’t calling the shots yet.

  14. “The UK is not a union of equals, it is England plus dependants. You can subtract dependents but not England.”

    Who says so?

  15. The problem is that Nicola revealed her plans and those who can think of what those plans will mean elsewhere decide no. So scuppering her plans.
    Not that it will stop the SNP, they do have rather a track record of announcing what they will do even when it requires agreement of others to be done. The fact that others may disagree and block such decisions going the way the SNP wants is irrelevant to them.

    Announcing what you are going to do before someone else decides can be a bad idea.

  16. So, am I getting this right.

    We voted for the UK to leave the EU, therefore we should go away with this agreed separation.

    Then when that happens, England and Wales leave the UK (what happens to Northern Ireland) and Scotland, which is then the UK holds another referendum on whether Scotland wants to be part of the EU?

  17. The Scottish Referendum shouldn’t have been Scottish: the Union really is a union between two states, not an imperial annexation of one by another. The SNP like to portray it as the latter, hence their insistence on the Referendum being closed to the English. Which I strongly suspect was a massive miscalculation on their part.

  18. S2,

    They want to leave, but they don’t want to be kicked out. Because that would be doing what the hated English want, and they want it to be spiteful on their part.

  19. @Paul Carlton: No thats not it. The argument goes thus – England and Wales wish to leave the EU, but Scotland (and perhaps NI) doesn’t. Ergo rather than the entire UK leaving the EU, then Scotland trying to get back in, the bits of the UK that want to leave the EU secede from the UK, which remains in the EU, while the new nation of ‘England and Wales’ is an independent nation outside the EU. Thus giving everyone what they want. The Scots get to be ‘independent’, but still in the EU, England and Wales get to be independent in a real sense, as a free and unencumbered nation outside of the EU.

    We could arguably leave Scotland with all the debt and start again from scratch with a new currency, but that would just be nasty. Would be very funny tho. Even funnier would a ‘UK’ that consisted of Scotland and NI – the Scots would then be the dominant partner and NI could start railing about ‘rule from Holyrood’……….

    In fact thinking about it, given interest repayments are currently over 6% of the UK’s budget, and the budget deficit is currently under 4%, and Scotland+NI are a net drain on the UK budget, England and Wales could probably run a primary surplus as an independent country if it repudiated all the debt……………..

  20. @PF
    I always preferred PIGIS.

    Though if Scotland did manage to remain, would they then become GIPSIS.

    If we added in Northern Ireland, we would have GIPSIS + NI, or PISSING

  21. @GlenDorran,

    The United Kingdom of Scotland and Northern Ireland would only have to exist for a day – as a transitional arrangement. It could then itself split, with the mainland part becoming the National Socialist Republic of Caledonia. I would imagine Irish union would follow swiftly, solving the problem for the remainers in the north.

  22. Bloke in North Dorset

    “I would imagine Irish union would follow swiftly, solving the problem for the remainers in the north.”

    Followed by an even swifter degeneration in to civil war.

  23. Demented Porridge Wog? I am offended, and demand that sentence structure be altered to refer to me as a “person of Scottishness”

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