You know, it’s possible that this isn’t quite the answer

Misogyny won the US election – let’s stop indulging angry white men
Hadley Freeman

Let’s take the main contention as given – that Hillary lost because of all those angry white men. I don’t actually believe it for a moment because she lost in many groups, not just that one. But, OK, that’s your starting point for your analysis.

So, what you’re saying is, here’s this group that just came and bit you on the bum because you’ve been ignoring them for 50 years. Your solution is let’s ignore them?

That’ll work out well, won’t it?

27 thoughts on “You know, it’s possible that this isn’t quite the answer”

  1. I don’t think Hadley Freeman, or any of her ilk, has ever been accused of being a particularly dynamic thinker.

  2. 45% of college educated women admitted to voting for Trump, maybe because they thought him a better choice than a corrupt old hag whose sole positive attribute was the possession of a vagina.

  3. it’s interesting looking at the data, that even quite affluent college-educated middle-class men voted for Hilary.

    I said throughout that I would vote Clinton but only because Trump was worse (although I’d have voted McMullin if I was in certain states).

    But, did I miss something about the American experience? I’m reading stuff from there, quite a lot of stuff, but I’m not actually there. I thought Clinton would comfortably win and got that wrong. But that doesn’t mean I think Americans are nuts. It means I missed something.

    I’m wondering if this whole “special place in hell for women who don’t vote for other women” type of attitude really stank with men. Maybe they got a lot more of it than we saw and just didn’t want a feminist in the White House. Because really, other than “democrat” and “vagina” what else was she selling? Her expertise in government? Secretary of State who couldn’t even get some email accounts set up?

    But of course, men would tell pollsters they vote Clinton, because well, pollsters are women and you never want to shut down your opportunities.

    Or maybe people just didn’t turn out for her. Maybe average Joes looked at both candidates and stayed home?

  4. whose sole positive attribute was the possession of a vagina

    To be fair, it is almost brand new, only knowingly used once.

  5. An interesting interaction broadcast on Cr news last night but filmed at a very liberal US college as the result were coming in:

    A group of students were being interviewes and a young white man was giving an answer to a question. A young black woman cut across him from the side and the reporter immediately turned and put the microphone to her, into which she proceeded to speak. “Excuse me, I’m talking” said the white man. “I had something else I wanted to say”. Embarrassed reporter; young black woman with clearly put out of joint.

    Is this the story of the election? White man is going to have his say this time. And if you won’t listen to his voice you have no choice but to listen to his vote.

  6. As angry as these white men are alleged to be, we don’t seem to see them rioting in the streets that often. In any case, aren’t they benefitting from patriarchy and privilege all the damn time?

  7. “…boasting that they aren’t “career politicians” (now a negative thing as opposed to someone who has devoted their life to public service)…”

    When ‘public service’ has come to mean ‘enriching myself at the taxpayer trough while scorning the real concerns of the voters, why shouldn’t that be regarded as a bad thing?

  8. “Clinton’s private email server was covered more ferociously than Trump’s misogyny. “

    Well, yes. It was a national security issue. The fact the President likes a bit of slap and tickle isn’t. See: JFK.

    /facepalm

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    Ironman – “Is this the story of the election? White man is going to have his say this time. And if you won’t listen to his voice you have no choice but to listen to his vote.”

    So you agree with this woman and Van Jones?

    You know, that is not a surprise.

  10. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Well, yes. It was a national security issue. The fact the President likes a bit of slap and tickle isn’t.”

    Indeed. Now Americans know what they are getting instead of finding out half way through, Clinton, and as you say after the event with JFK.

    Isn’t that supposed to be the point of primaries, find out all the candidates’ foibles and weaknesses before you elect them?

  11. BiW: What did you miss?

    How about that you were happy to put your vote in for one of the most evil women to have ever lived.

  12. Freeman comes across as gormless.

    eg spot the significant difference between Trump and Clinton justifying her stance.

    “It’s interesting, this take, not least because, far from being a “working-class revolt”, 48% of those who earn more than $250,000 (these people only made up 46% of Clinton’s supporters) and 49% of white college graduate voters chose Trump. ”

    Probably thinks that Error Margin is a film about Medieval Chinese warriors.

  13. Rob,
    How about we stop indulging thick, over-educated women?

    How about we stop indulging thick, over-promoted women?

    TFIFY

  14. Freeman identifies a credible reason for voting Trump but instead says she knows better. And if Freeman is correct then is she implying minorities are more feminist than whites? I sincerely doubt that would be true.

    The article includes the observation that the US politicians and media have been talking about white issues for a long time, just as British politicians and media have been talking about immigration long before the Brexit vote. Yes. This is true. The talk has been along the general lines of the media and politicians shouting ‘You’re racist!’ at the white population. This is not the same as admitting there are problems let alone trying to address them.

  15. The problem for the Democrats is that they have become an explicitly anti-white party. They were relying on electing a new people to put them over the line and it hasn’t worked. Hopefully, President Trump will do as he said and deport all illegals, secure the southern border enforce immigration laws and start to reverse the demographic destruction of white America.

  16. So Much For Subtlety

    Jonathan – “The problem for the Democrats is that they have become an explicitly anti-white party.”

    A slightly more, explicitly, anti-White party. The Republicans aren’t exactly pro-White either.

  17. Based on exit polling Tuesday –

    1. Mitt Romney (2012) won 59 percent of the white vote while Trump won 58 percent.

    2. Obama (2012) won 93 percent of the black vote. Hillary won 88 percent.

    3. Obama (2012) won 71 percent of the Latino vote. Hillary won 65 percent.

    Trump’s final total vote is likely to end up around 60 million – about the same as Romney’s (2012). Clintons final vote is also likely to end up around 60 million. But Obama won 69.5 million votes in 2008. The Republican vote stayed flat, while Democrats appear to have lost almost 10 million voters since 2008.

    Recall that Democrats intensified their identity politics in recent years. Black Lives Matter went from a fringe movement to the Democratic mainstream in the blink of an eye. Radical sexual politics were mainstreamed even faster. Clinton called Trimp supporters “deplorable” and “irredeemable”. It is not unreasonable to suspect Republicans might have responded with some form of identity politics of their own. But if that were true of more than some tiny lunatic fringe, wouldn’t the evidence be clear?

    Yet it seems white voters responded mainly by voting in the same or lesser numbers as the last three presidential elections – when the majority voted for Obama. That does not look like a sudden burst of angry white men voting in 2016 – it looks like consistency.

    And it seems Trump won because many Democrat voters stated home in 2016 and because, among minorities, a marginally larger percentage voted for Trump in 2016 than for Republican candidates in previous elections.

  18. John Fembup

    “The Republican vote stayed flat, while Democrats appear to have lost almost 10 million voters since 2008.”

    “And it seems Trump won because many Democrat voters stated home in 2016 ”

    I would bet that there was a swing from Dem to Rep and that the vote was down amongst both Dems and Reps. No idea to what extent, I guess we’ll find out in due course?

  19. Everyone is looking at the symptoms and not the disease. To quote a well known politician, “It’s the economy, stupid.” Until the angry white males, who happen to be married to women, who have lost their factory jobs have a place in the new economy they will continue to vote for the perceived agent of change like Obama or Trump.

    The only question is how long it will take for voters to get frustrated by the lack of change? Obama got 8 years, thanks in large part to the Republicans offering Romney.

    Will the Democrats wise up and run a change candidate in 2012? As long as they continue to blame bigots I don’t think it is likely.

  20. “Will the Democrats wise up and run a change candidate in 2012”

    I’m guessing the 2020 Democrat candidate will be Bernie Sander’s corpse.

  21. Sanders’ corpse probably could have beat the Donald handily this year. Lenin’s corpse might have a good shot in four if Trump gets the trade restrictions he’s been calling for.

  22. “2. Obama (2012) won 93 percent of the black vote. Hillary won 88 percent.”

    Rather odd that they are so keen on aborting their future voters.

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