Err, yes, I suppose this is probably true

Every Muslim woman I’ve met is integrated

Because you’re unlikely, wandering around society, to meet those who aren’t integrated.

My mother-in-law has lived here for nearly 40 years and can’t really speak English at all but she can understand it. She works, helping take special needs children to school every day. If that’s not integrated I don’t know what is.

Well, after 40 years we might expect a tiny, teeny perhaps, ability at the language.

33 thoughts on “Err, yes, I suppose this is probably true”

  1. A few is no problem.

    A little lemon added to tea is lemon tea which is nice as an occasional change.

    Ten gallons of lemon juice added to a cup of tea is ten gallons of fucking lemon juice and the tea is of interest only to an analytical chemist.

    That is exactly what the scum of cultural Marxism are trying to do to the West. The bullshitter writing –a “professional” working in the city” is the face of migration CM scum want to present.

    Rotherham (and all the other towns) rape gang crew–not so much.

    Tell you what love–you and your mother-in-law can stay. But the rest of RoP world isn’t joining you. Whether you and the London Bubble like it or not.

  2. 40 years and still can’t speak one of the easiest languages in the world to learn at a basic level?

    Either she’s completely thick, or she’s put in zero effort… Or both.

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    “Nixon couldn’t have won because nobody I know who voted for him”

    Yes, I know its probably a false attribution to Pauline Kael but it gets across the point that the left in particular do live in their own bubble.

    And she lives in the London/SE bubble:

    I’m a pensions professional working in the City at the head office of a large high street bank. Would you consider me integrated? I pay taxes, give to various charities and proudly buy several poppies every year. I wear a hijab, don’t drink or eat pork, don’t take part in football discussions (no interest or knowledge), don’t go to pubs or bars and am not always passive aggressive, diplomatic or polite. I do, however, always chat about the weather. Still consider me integrated?

    She needs to go and live in Bradford or any number of northern towns.

  4. “Takes special needs children to school every day” I’m assuming the special needs children will be the grandchildren of the mother in law, who’s son or daughter married their 1st cousin or similar.

  5. “Someone call the doctor – Ecks is coming over all left-wing”

    Won’t be a German doctor tho’ will it Biggie–cos they are all busy tending to all the women being murdered, raped or kicked down some handy stairs by non-“professional in the city” imports. So long as the victims sign a non-disclosure contract confirming her attackers were nothing to do with the RoP.

  6. @” If that’s not integrated I don’t know what is.”
    Obviously they don’t know. The 7/7 bombers worked but they weren’t integrated.

  7. Mr Ecks said:
    “A little lemon added to tea is lemon tea which is nice as an occasional change.”

    Yes. There’s a good essay by J B Priestley on this point (a pity the Left don’t read him any more). He takes the example of German wool-traders in Bradford as being an interesting addition to society, but says that this only works when they are a leaven, a small addition.

  8. @Ecks,

    Have the “Ryanair locums” really dried up? Germany has a surplus of doctors. Many of them loved the fact they could fly in to the UK and do a day’s cover for what would be a week’s pay here.

  9. How the hell should I know or care Biggie? I don’t run the leftist freak-show that is the NHS.

    BTW we have had a number of your top medical bunglers arrive on Ryanair. I don’t suppose there would be any chance of our money back in those cases?

  10. Roue,

    But this is the problem. They don’t go out and get girls here. They go back to Pakistan and get a wife. Or marry their cousins. My Sikh mate is hugely entertaining about this.

  11. I had a muslim girl working for me years ago. No hijab for her, and although quite religious, it wasn’t a big thing. She was very good and reliable at work, very modern and good looking, and became a god friend.

    Perfectly integrated.

    Then one day, we talked about the satanic verses and Rushdie. She thought that it was quite normal that he should be put to death.

    I guess there are degrees of integration.

  12. She works in the City: she could stroll to Whitechapel in her lunch break to view her unintegrated coreligionists. I particularly recommend a Friday post midday mosque, no hairscarf and bare legs, unchaperoned.

  13. “My mother-in-law has lived here for nearly 40 years and can’t really speak English at all but she can understand it. She works, helping take special needs children to school every day.
    If that’s not integrated I don’t know what is.”
    Just imagine the lolz when something untoward happens, a sudden illness or an accidental death.
    Just what fucking planet are these people living on. Seriously!

  14. “helping take special needs children to school every day”: and whose children are those, pray?

    I had an acquaintance who gave up her career in special needs teaching in revulsion from families who, having produced one genetically-handicapped wee soul, ignored all advice and went on to have another. And another.

  15. @BiW,

    But if they go out and take girls here wouldn’t we be complaining about them forriners taking all our girls?

  16. > Perfectly integrated. Then one day, we talked about the satanic verses …

    Family Guy captured that kind of experience quite neatly, in a different context: https://youtu.be/thmQdUMJn7Q?t=25

    Transcript:

    Brian: Damn it Peter, stop it! I got to tell you, you’re pissing me off worse when I watched the OJ verdict with my old roommate. (Cuts to scene where Brian and his black roommate are watching TV.)

    TV Announcer: We, the jury, find the defendant, Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty. (Roommate says “Yes!” while Brian says “What the hell?” simultaneously. There is a moment of silence.)

    Brian and Roommate: (simultaneously) What? (They both take out guns and aim at each other.)

    Brian: Maybe we should get new roommates.

    Roommate: Yeah, maybe we should.

  17. Rob, there are many thousands of people born in Britain who do not speak a word of English, they can read it and write it perhaps but not speak it.
    Mutes generally not speaking languages at all.
    They are integrated as much as you or I.

  18. Pat – do these women do any shopping? Do they take the kids anywhere? Do they leave the house? Then you can meet them.

  19. If you have been monolingual your whole life it is incredibly difficult to learn a new language after the age of 60.

    My grandparents failed to learn more than a few words English despite trying. They were teachers.

  20. A mute native is simply not in the same category as a raghead who refuses to learn English. The former can’t, the latter won’t, speak English.

  21. A fun distinction is whether one can sign in the language.

    No, I don’t mean “sign language”. Rather, enough command of the general idioms to be able to make hand and body movements to get basic ideas over.

    For example, if pressed, most English people would get the idea ‘

    Mimic holding holding plate and cup handle, lift cup to lips. OK, we’re talking about tea, coffee…..thumbs up….wave some fingers…..five minutes? ….thumbs up….Ah, meet you in the cafe in 5 minutes? thumbs.

    OK, sure, not perfectly, not everyone, but I’d willingly insist that that sort of language would get you a long way in England. Outside London that is.

    And you want to change the meeting place to the pub? Change the way you hold the cup/glass, lose the plate and possibly mimic getting slightly pissed while drinking.

    We already have in male English that raise the arm, elbow flexed, mimicking the pint to the lips. We do it across rooms…..ready for a pint then? Ready to get out of here? Nod.

    Speaking the language of a place is not the same as being able to say the words.

  22. If that’s not integrated I don’t know what is.

    So you don’t know what is then.

    Integrating includes understanding and following cultural norms — behaviour towards girls, freedom of children, expectations of education, attitudes to religion, behaviour towards obeying laws etc.

    An Arabic prince who has been to Eton and speaks perfect English but expects his wife to wear a hijab in public, who won’t educate his daughters as well as his sons, who thiks apostates should be killed and who thinks laws should not apply to the wealthy etc is not integrated. They are an Arab living in Britain.

    A Turkish immigrant who doesn’t mind that his wife doesn’t always wear a scarf, who cares about his daughter’s education, who ignores the imams’ rants about irreligious behaviour and who doesn’t try to bribe when in trouble can be perfectly well integrated despite shocking spoken English.

  23. I have been waiting all day for someone to mention sign language. Took a while, quite disappointed.

    Coz that refutes what I said, of course.

  24. @ dearieme
    I have almost unlimited sympathy for the silly, almost none for the dishonest. So I disagree with your view as to EL being harsh.

  25. I am integrated in Switzerland, my wife is not. The difference is simply langage. She accepts all the norms of being and living here, she’s just not nailed the anguage yet.

  26. monoi,

    Then one day, we talked about the satanic verses and Rushdie. She thought that it was quite normal that he should be put to death.

    Indeed: I recall being out to dinner with a “secular, moderate, Westernised” Turkish woman who casually announced she didn’t think Israel should exist. That’s the problem with moderate Muslims, they’re not moderate.

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