Genes have been doing this for some time mateyDecember 3, 2016 Tim WorstallScience18 CommentsKazuo Ishiguro: ‘We’re coming close to the point where we can create people who are superior to others’ previousNo doubt people said the same about booksnextBollocks love, you’re spouting bollocks 18 thoughts on “Genes have been doing this for some time matey” bloke in spain December 3, 2016 at 10:17 am There was an interesting concept being explored in a novel I was reading yesterday. Wealth can be transient. The rich can lose the cars & the houses & the brimming bank accounts. But if they can buy inheritable genetic enhancements for their children, the children & their children will have those irrespective of life’s fortunes. They will truly be a different breed of people. MyBurningEars December 3, 2016 at 10:42 am BiS Fascinating. Would have a longer effect than sending the kiddies to posh school or hiring a tutor, since it’d penetrate further down the family tree. But doesn’t regression to the mean occur on genetic traits (in fact isn’t that where Galton first observed it?) as well as economic ones? Gamecock December 3, 2016 at 12:49 pm ‘Imagine a two-tiered society with elite citizens’ It’s easy if you try. Half of Americans have below average intelligence. H/T George Carlin DocBud December 3, 2016 at 1:23 pm MrsBud and I are confident that we are there. Our second son has a PhD in materials engineering investigating soluble stints. Our eldest son is half way through a PhD researching communication with stroke victims. We are sure our youngest, Speech Pathology student, will also do a Phd. dearieme December 3, 2016 at 1:58 pm “if they can buy inheritable genetic enhancements for their children”: just marry a clever, beautiful, healthy girl. John B December 3, 2016 at 2:08 pm Actually it is natural selection wot dunnit not genes. Genes which make an organism best adapted to its environment, reproduce more successfully…. but the determinant is the environment, not the gene. That does not mean the organism is superior to others… this is the usual ‘survival of the fittest’ pitfall. john77 December 3, 2016 at 2:38 pm Belief in equality “All men are created equal in the sight of God” is not a function of living in a liberal democracy although it may have been a factor in their creation – Mr Ishiguro obviously believes that he himself is a god if he is determining what will make future people unequal in the sight of God. MyBurningEars December 3, 2016 at 2:39 pm @DocBud Even the Darwins pretty much burnt out, after a while. john77 December 3, 2016 at 2:42 pm @ John B I agree with Tim – it’s genes that make some people superior *at certain things*. Natural selection merely encourages the survival of those best fitted to their environment (or best equipped to amend their environment to fit themselves). Jim December 3, 2016 at 2:53 pm Isn’t this going to happen naturally? The increased amount of communication and travel opportunities means the intelligent will increasingly mate with the intelligent, rather than make do with whatever is near to hand, as in the past. So rather than the regression to the mean you are going to get divergence, just as one does in animals when they are specifically bred for a a certain trait. dcardno December 3, 2016 at 7:07 pm Jim – essentially the argument in “The Bell Curve.” Instead of travel / interconnectedness (although all factors could work together), Murray and Herrnstein posited that changes in work structure were stratifying workplaces by cognitive demands, which meant that there would be less interaction between people of different levels of intelligence, and more interaction between people of similar levels, high or low. This would then lead to ‘assortive mating’ and development of parallel populations with divergent intelligence. Perhaps. Theophrastus December 3, 2016 at 7:40 pm Jim I think this is already happening. Just look at the underclass…. Bloke in North Dorset December 3, 2016 at 10:09 pm And the number of doctors marrying doctors, lawyers marrying lawyers, politicians marrying politicians ……. Gene Berman December 4, 2016 at 12:07 am BiND: Not to mention all the priests, rabbis, and pastors marrying all those other types! Edward M. Grant December 4, 2016 at 12:58 am But this can’t be true. The left keep telling us ‘we’re all the same under the skin’ and that evolution ends at the neck. There are no superior and inferior people, just some more lucky and privileged than others. Edward M. Grant December 4, 2016 at 1:05 am “The increased amount of communication and travel opportunities means the intelligent will increasingly mate with the intelligent.” I know plenty of high-IQ couples, and none of them have kids. It might be a fluke, but in most cases both of them are far too busy with their careers to breed. Just another reason human intelligence is going down, not up. Roué le Jour December 4, 2016 at 3:15 am Edward M. Grant The fact that the most able people produce the fewest children was observed by the ancient Romans, and I doubt they were the first. They did attempt to correct this with laws but with little success. It seems to be an inevitable side effect of civilisation, which provides so many more interesting uses of a successful citizen’s time and energies than making more citizens. This aplies especially to females. If you did produce a race of super men and women, they would almost certainly decline to breed. BniC December 4, 2016 at 6:09 am Reminds me I haven’t watched Gattacca in a while, good film Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.