Spudmonster disappears up his own intestinal tract again

Tax and the declaration of human rights:

14. A citizen shall have the right to leave the State and its protection and shall as such deny themselves the right to its provision but be relieved of the obligation to contribute to its upkeep. (13, 28, 29).

So a passport tax is against human rights says the man who proposes a passport tax.

17 thoughts on “Spudmonster disappears up his own intestinal tract again”

  1. You beat me to it Tim – almost every item on that list shows incontestably that his views on tax are incompatible with the human rights principles he lists

    It’s really amazing, or if you were a member of his family worrying, that Murphy seems honestly to believe the list shows the opposite – that his views accord with human rights.

    Surely the medical authorities need to step in now to manage his deteriorating condition actively and aggressively.

  2. There is a distinction between merely leaving the state and surrendering your membership of that state. If you haven’t actually handed in your passport, you’re still enjoying the protection of the state (insofar as they can protect you when you’re outside their jurisdiction).

    Mind you, the price paid should be proportional to the protection offered, i.e. a pittance.

  3. The HRA also suggests that people should have the right to have their possessions protected.

    Bit difficult if you think everything belongs to the state.

  4. BF

    Interestingly the closest real world jurisdiction to the Courageous State does not ordinarily allow its citizens passports as permission needs to be granted to move between one settlement and another so I guess his vision has not yet reached its logical conclusion, at least on this issue.

    But it is revealing, I mean what kind of person reads the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and thinks about it in relation to tax? To describe it as strange is an understatement.

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    The whole point of the HRA is (was) to protect the individual from the Courageous State.

    Dennis,

    Yes, but at least they might protect the rest of us from its consequences.

  6. Yes, but at least they might protect the rest of us from its consequences.

    The medical profession has worked miracles in the past, and will no doubt work more in the future, but there are limits…

  7. “5. The right of a State to determine its will shall not be constrained by the actions of another State;”

    So how does that reconcile with his neo-colonialist aggression against states with lower tax rates than the UK?

  8. @Andrew C

    “The HRA also suggests that people should have the right to have their possessions protected.

    Bit difficult if you think everything belongs to the state.”

    Ah, but since EVERYTHING belongs to the Corajus State, one cannot have possessions.

    Yep, squared that circle.

  9. Dennis

    My guess is he has either been sectioned or the authorities in Guernsey running the institution at which he is detained have clearly clamped down on his use of the internet.

  10. Andrew M, the tax he proposes isn’t on having the passport, it is on being entitled to one.

    So British person moves to Auckland, becomes a Kiwi, lets UK passport lapse and lives/travels under his kiwi one (though always entitled to get the UK passport back). Under Murphy’s idea, the obligation to pay tax continues.

    He muttered something about some Commonwealth countries being exempt (kind of him) but what if the person moves to say, Cook Islands, which is unlikely to be exempt in Murphy’s world? Or closer to home, Jersey?

    Problem is: there are people who have never set foot in the UK who are UK citizens without their knowledge. If you are a Commonwealth citizen with a British parent or grandparent, you’re British, whether you like it or not, through operation of law. There must be hundreds of thousands who meet this in Oz, NZ, S Africa, Canada. My aunt in Sydney married a Pom so their kids and grandkids have this.

  11. My guess is he has either been sectioned or the authorities in Guernsey running the institution at which he is detained have clearly clamped down on his use of the internet.

    Well, whatever it is, let’s hope it isn’t trivial.

  12. Adrian,
    Yes, he’s an idiot. I was merely pointing out that it might not be unreasonable to charge Brits abroad for their continued British citizenship. After all, not only does it entitle you to consular assistance, it’s also a massive safety net in case you ever fall on hard times and need to return home: you’ll still have the NHS and some elements of the welfare state waiting for you. How much would a private insurer charge for that?

    The American system is the complete opposite: U.S. expats pay through the nose, but they get very little in return.

  13. Speaking of disappearing up one’s intestinal tract, what ever happened to Arnald? He hasn’t soiled this site in ages…

    Arnald/Lawrence seemed to be worried about his job with the Guernsey Housing Association where he used to be “Finance Officer” and is now “Business Support” (as of Feb 2016 at least)

    Maybe someone suggested that maybe he should concentrate on keeping his job rather than posting his inane rantings on the Internet.

  14. I was merely pointing out that it might not be unreasonable to charge Brits abroad for their continued British citizenship.

    After all, not only does it entitle you to consular assistance, it’s also a massive safety net in case you ever fall on hard times and need to return home: you’ll still have the NHS and some elements of the welfare state waiting for you. How much would a private insurer charge for that?

    The problem is that there is abroad (like Morocco and such places) where you have consular assistance et al and the Royal Navy will come and haul you off if everything goes pair shaped and there is “abroad” like the Crown dependencies (Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man, etc.), which have their own governments, health services, taxes, etc. who have political oversight in the form of a Lieutenant Governor, but that is about it.

    If the Royal Navy decamped in Douglas Harbour without any justification there would be a bloody riot.

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