Why not just have a fucking carbon tax?

Gruaniad piece, ooh, climate change is scary, we’re all deniers! And the solution?

That future is possible. It might even be probable. But it’s not inevitable. We can choose to see climate change, and we can choose to do this before it’s too late. So how can we escape the quagmire of denial? As it turns out, the first step isn’t that hard: just talk about it. To your friends, family, colleagues – even to yourself. By talking about climate change, you’ll make it feel less scary. By talking about it, we’ll unlock solutions. And, crucially, it’s by talking about climate change that we’ll break the silence that allows it to go unnoticed and ignored.

Err, talk to people while you’re knitting your yogurt.

Sigh.

Why not actually demand something is done?

Whadda we want?

A Carbon Tax

When do we want it?

Now!

19 thoughts on “Why not just have a fucking carbon tax?”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    And, crucially, it’s by talking about climate change that we’ll break the silence that allows it to go unnoticed and ignored.

    Silence? Well, OK. But it goes unnoticed and ignored because of that silence and the fact that there is no evidence it is happening and no particular scientific reason to think it exists.

    If people could see it, they would care. There is no evidence for it so no one does. All the politically correct whiny little b!tches in the world is not going to change that.

  2. Confused Old Misfit

    Because you don’t fucking need one!
    Because it won’t do a fucking thing to alter climate.
    Because the fucking government will fucking waste it on shit to get itself elected next time around!
    If you can’t fucking see that you’re fucking stupid!

  3. The Telegraph, as you might expect, have a rather different take on this:

    “What should be making front page news is the story revealed by the latest figures from the Office for Budgetary Responsibility (OBR), predicting the soaring cost over the next six years of all the “environmental levies” imposed on us under the Climate Change Act. Between now and 2022, according to the OBR, these will amount to £65 billion, of which £36 billion will be subsidies we shall all be paying through the “renewables obligation”, mainly to the owners of our ever-growing number of windfarms.

    These subsidies alone will represent a near-trebling of what we are already paying through our electricity bills, which by 2022 the OBR predicts will have risen to nearly £7 billion a year.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/03/energy-policy-politicians-leading-us-darkness/

  4. We should all, as well as talking to everyone we know about climate change, wear some appropriate little wristband or maybe a ribbon to show how much we care. Are there any colours still available?

  5. We should all, as well as talking to everyone we know about climate change, wear some appropriate little wristband or maybe a ribbon to show how much we care. Are there any colours still available?

    Maybe it’s time for them to announce that not wearing a black wristband signifies that one cares about “climate change”.

    Look! Billions of people are demonstrating their support! MOAR TAX!!!

  6. By talking about climate change, you’ll make it feel less scary.

    Really? That seems unlikely, when their only way of talking about it is to say “OMG IT’S THE APOCALYPSE!!!” Children are genuinely scared by this stuff. Those who’ve made it their vocation to scare them should be ashamed.

    By talking about it, we’ll unlock solutions.

    Well, that’s theoretically possible, I suppose. But, whenever I point out that we did this massive experiment where we divided an entire continent in two and tried (roughly) capitalism on one side and Socialism on the other, and the result was unequivocally that Socialism utterly fucks the environment whilst Capitalism tends to clean it up, the people who want to talk about it suddenly don’t want to talk about it. Since they already know the solution they want and are unwilling to listen to anyone who proposes anything else, I don’t see this “talking about it to unlock solutions” thing getting very far.

  7. ‘break the silence’. For crying out loud, you can’t go 5 minutes without hearing about the bloody subject. We are hosing taxpayers money on CC-related energy policy, building regulations, waste regulation, transport policy, and of course CC alarmist propaganda. I’m a lukewarmer and I’m with Tim on this. Has the world warmed up a bit recently? Yes. Have we caused some of that? Probably. Would it be good not to warm up too much? Yes. Are there other reasons not to rely on oil and coal (pollution, the Middle East)? Yes. Is this an urgent existential threat to mankind? Don’t be ridiculous. Fine, that’s an external cost; apply a modest Carbon tax; review the situation every decade. Job done. Absolutely no need for torrents of regulation and fatuous virtue signalling.

  8. “By talking about climate change”

    Just don’t try doing it within the hallowed walls of “Comment Is Free” at the Grauniad…

  9. Bloke in North Dorset

    Whilst he’s having a conversation with himself he should ask why most people accepted that something needed to be done about the hole in the ozone layer there is a lot more resistance to climate change. I contend that in no small part the ozone layer issue wan’t hijacked by watermelons for their own authoritarian ends.

    I’ve related this story before, but its worth pointing out for newcomers. There’s a BBC R4 Analysis programme from about 6 years ago which starts with a woman who organises climate change conferences for greenies. She relates a story of how at one conference she said that she had a magic wand that would defy the laws of physics and if she waved it CO2 would no longer be a greenhouse gas. She asked the audience if she should wave it and only about 3% (IIRC) said yes.

    These are the sort of people they should be worried about not those who are to some degree sceptical, especially of the wilder claims of 8C warming.

  10. “Unnoticed and ignored”

    What? WHAT THE FUCK?! Is this twat living in a sealed room?

    “just talk about it. To your friends, family, colleagues – even to yourself”

    Done that. The general consensus was scepticism, shrugs, “bit dodgy innit?”.

    Clearly, we must continue to talk about it until we reach an answer the author approves of.

  11. Exactly, SMFS.

    The entire Gobal Warming industry is a con where Gov’ts pass laws to force us to buy snake-oil.

    @TimW

    We need less tax & regulation, not more tax & regulation.

  12. “Why not just have a fucking carbon tax?”

    Because the entire aim of the entire project is to justify shutting down western industry, the energy source that powers capitalism, cancel the West’s defence budgets, take control of all Western economies under the aegis of a UN-run global intergovernmental climate court, transfer all the West’s wealth and intellectual property to China, and let the mostly-socialist developing world carry on developing and polluting at an ever faster rate with no CO2 emission limits at all.

    They even put their evil plans down in writing, and *still* there are people too stubborn to see!

    http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2011/awglca14/eng/crp38.pdf

    https://hauntingthelibrary.wordpress.com/2011/01/05/ipcc-green-doctor-prescribes-end-to-democracy-to-solve-global-warming/

    If you want a free market solution, forget carbon taxes – use climate bonds on a climate futures market. Seed the seas with iron. And go nuclear! It’s simple.

    There are plenty of non-Socialist, non-nutty, industrial-civilisation-friendly free market alternatives that could deal with any hypothetical impending climate catastrophe, if there was one, but nobody’s interested in *them*, because they know just as well as we do that it’s neo-Malthusian crap, like the “population bomb” scare of the 1970s. That’s why they all fly to their climate conferences in exotic tropical locations in private jets…

    The Byrd-Hagel resolution called them out on it 20 years ago. It’s not news. Catch up, Tim!

  13. The state of Washington put a revenue neutral carbon tax on the ballot and the voters rejected it. As carbon taxes go it was well designed with revenue being given to poor people so they didn’t pay most of the taxes. Long story short the ‘greens’ didn’t want it because they didn’t get the money.

  14. What if carbon isn’t a problem then Tim? I don’t think that it is. It hasn’t been shown in real world terms to cause the temperatures to rise as predicted and it does seem to be having beneficial effects such as heavier crops.

    If this is so then a carbon tax is the last thing we need, we actually need some way of ensuring that CO2 levels remain relatively high.

  15. Paul,

    If carbon isn’t a problem and it turns out we want more CO2 we know where to find it. Simply releasing the CO2 we’ve trapped in existing wells to increase their output would buy us enough time to drill baby, drill.

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