Minority position does not have political party. Boo Hoo

It’s a pretty desperate situation. For many like me, clearly to the left of Hunt and clearly well to the right of the Trotskyists, all that is left is a void where there appears to be no hope of proper political representation.

If you’re a social but not economic liberal; a social democrat with green tendencies but who thinks the label green is too limiting; and whose aim is centred on social, economic and tax justice in a mixed economy that is not dominated by global corporate interests then right now the UK political scene presents you with the prospect of howling into the wind but no immediate chance of securing political representation from a party that comes close to representing your reasonable aspirations for the country, economy, health, education, the planet and so much more.

And political parties operate in a market of course. And if there’s no one else in the country who shares you political position then you’ll find there is no political party for you.

28 thoughts on “Minority position does not have political party. Boo Hoo”

  1. Bloke in North Dorset

    “If you’re a social but not economic liberal; a social democrat with green tendencies but who thinks the label green is too limiting; and whose aim is centred on social, economic and tax justice in a mixed economy that is not dominated by global corporate interests”

    That needs one of his infamous Venn diagrams.

  2. He goes on to say in the comments:

    “I am a member of the group supporting it in my own constituency, albeit not very actively as I am finite (sadly)”

    He’s answered his own question.

    He regards the other things he has to do (write the blog, do the dead-end professor of practice thingy, walk the dog) to be more important use of his time than pursuing these political aims.

    He can’t then be surprised most others come to the same conclusion.

    If only he stayed awake during his economic lectures when they discussed ‘utility’ and ‘revealed preferences’ he’d know this.

  3. He says himself that he would be Green, but he just doesn’t like the name. I suggest that they change their name to be a bit more inclusive – they’ll never have a voice when half the country drives a car.

  4. “a mixed economy that is not dominated by global corporate interests”
    He’s got what he wants there. The economy is dominated by government spending at 40%+. The economic activity of the ‘global corporate interests’ can’t be more than half that ( citation needed probably).

  5. Andrew M: “He says himself that he would be Green, but he just doesn’t like the name.”

    I suspect the thing he doesn’t like are the people in the Green party. He wants the Green ideology for the virtue signalling, but with the Tory lifestyle. He has moved from one Toryland (Downham Market) to another (Ely).

    He ain’t moving to Middlesbrough.

  6. Still sounds like run of the mill…Marxist shite to me.

    Yes. And how he could see himself as a social democrat defeats me: he gives many indications that he’s pretty much a stalinist.

  7. It’s not going to happen. The only 2 Labour PMs to get elected in living memory were on the right of the party. Wilson and Blair. Brown, Kinnock and Miliband were where Richie is talking about, and they all failed.

    But the problem is, not even the Blairites are making their moves. They don’t care that much about changing things, just power, and they’d rather just keep their nice jobs than risk losing them.

    Look at what’s happened with the likes of Balls and Hunt. There’s no fight in these people. They really do not care about socialism, or any sort of political change. Serious people, if they’re honest, are pretty much OK with how things are. Hunt would rather take a well-paid, cushy job at the V&A than try and reform the Labour party or start a breakaway. And he’s one of two people in that party that could start a new “gang of four”.

    Based on by-election results recently, the Lib Dems could be the official opposition within a decade (seriously, Labour getting 25% of the vote in Sunderland).

  8. “political parties operate in a market of course. ”

    This is an important and fundamental fact, not an idle remark.

    This fact gives insight to many things – for one, what motivates the parties to manufacture their particular “products”.

    For another, it explains why politicians behave so much like sales persons. Because they are sales persons. We should regard politicians much as we regard any other sales person – sometimes helpful but always, always, always selling something.

  9. We did have around 400 political parties. None of them suit him.
    Or he’s burned his bridges with all of them – which I’d normally say was impossible but this is RM…. so could be done.

    He could set up a political party. That does require other people agreeing things at least a little bit though.
    Maybe he could represent the ‘99%’. Sadly he’d have to leave the country to do so, what with most of them not living in Britain.

  10. it explains why politicians behave so much like sales persons

    Not all politicians. I don’t think Castro relied too much on glossy brochures. Politicians in democracies for sure.

    And nothing wrong with sales people and sales techniques either, though there is still a lingering British disdain for “trade”.

  11. “clearly well to the right of the Trotskyists”

    Hmm. He’s on record supporting consumption taxes so punitive they aren’t far from War Communism. The list of industries he wants state-controlled is a long and depressing one.

    He is very, very, very left-wing. Given his authoritarian urges I’d say Stalinist more than Trotskyist.

  12. i stopped reading at ‘if youre a social but economic liberal’

    he honestly thinks he’s a social liberal. i guess in the same way the GDR was democratic.

    the man is mental.

  13. “political parties operate in a market of course.”

    True, but there was a time when political parties evangelised. Believe in what we believe in, convert to our cause, join us, together we can accomplish the goals we believe in. Too many now are see politics as a market share to gain. What do the “customers” want to buy? So what do we have to “offer for sale” so they buy it from us?

    There does need to be a bit more evangelism and converting people to the cause and a bit less of the market share through policy choice.

  14. @ BiW
    Wilson was *Left* of the centre of the Labour Party – but George Brown was a drunk so after Gaitskell died Jim Callaghan tried and failed to replace George Brown as the candidate of the mainstream working class. After Jim was eliminated the second ballot showed that more Labour MPs wanted to win than to have sensible policies.

    Oh, by the way, it’s grasping at straws to extrapolate from a council by-election in Sunderland – we used to poll more votes than Labour in local elections in Stockton but we never won control of the council thanks to the gerrymandered ward boundaries

  15. Jack C “nothing wrong with sales people and sales techniques”

    Yes that’s true. I have no intention to disparage sales people and sales techniques per se. It’s still important to recognize them for what they are. Whether dealing with politicians or sales people the same caution applies. Caveat emptor.

    Same caution applied when Castro told the world what a fine education system his regime built, or what a world-class medical system or what a wonderful egalitarian social system exists today in Cuba. That was propaganda which – in glossy brochures, or not – was still “selling”. Luckily, we aren’t forced to buy what despots around the world are selling. At least, not yet we aren’t. Wouldn’t you agree?

  16. John Fembup,
    Yes, you’re quite right. Castro had to start with a sales pitch, even if he later declared himself a monopoly.

  17. ‘clearly well to the right of the Trotskyists’ – that did make me chuckle. Enjoyed the earlier comments. The old saying ‘you reap what you sow’ seems to be very apt….

  18. There is some point to this complaint.
    What gets me is that the privatise everything party has got entirely its own way: public services like the railways have been handed over for nothing to private enterprise and have fucked them up ; the NHS has collapsed ; the housing market has been thoroughly privatised and young married couples have been so thoroughly priced out they have to live apart; Brains Cameron, recipient of an expensive private education gives UKIP the open goal of a referendum to push Britain out of the single market .Everything is just perfect for the right wing. So why are you still whining?

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