Tuberous thinking

And the EU is determined that the UK should pay a high price for Brexit.

In both cases that their job. It is what they are required to do.

Err, why? Why must there be a high price to pay?

“I don’t want to be in your gang any more”

“That’s be €100 billion please”.


But it gets better.

And she is headed for parliament, where in her opinion her version of Brexit must be passed unopposed, whatever the cost to parliamentary democracy.


And we can also be sure that a large Tory majority


Exercising a parliamentary majority, striving for one even in an election, is a threat to parliamentary democracy.

Most tuberous.

23 thoughts on “Tuberous thinking”

  1. Of course the remoaners led by people such as Simon Wren-Lewis have been moaning for months that leaving the EU makes us poorer. It never seems to occur to them that it makes the EU poorer to lose one of the larger world economies and that it would be moronic to punish the UK simply for opting out of the political control pipedreams

  2. So Much For Subtlety

    Again the problem with these people is that they have not read enough Burke:

    Do you imagine, then, that-it is the Land-Tax Act which raises your revenue? that it is the annual vote in the Committee of Supply, which gives you your army? or that it is the Mutiny Bill which inspires it with bravery and discipline? No! surely, no! It is the love of the people; it is their attachment to their government, from the sense of the deep stake they have in such a glorious institution, which gives you your army and your navy, and infuses into both that liberal obedience without which your army would be a base rabble and your navy nothing but rotten timber.

    All this, I know well enough, will sound wild and chimerical to the profane herd of those vulgar and mechanical politicians who have no place among us: a sort of people who think that nothing exists but what is gross and material, and who, therefore, far from being qualified to be directors of the great movement of empire, are not fit to turn a wheel in the machine. But to men truly initiated and rightly taught, these ruling and master principles, which in the opinion of such men as I have mentioned have no substantial existence, are in truth everything, and all in all. Magnanimity in politics is not seldom the truest wisdom; and a great empire and little minds go ill together.

    Small minds in charge of rotten timber. They will blow away at the first puff of wind.

  3. — “It never seems to occur to them that it makes the EU poorer to lose one of the larger world economies and that it would be moronic to punish the UK simply for opting out of the political control pipedreams”

    It’s actually sweet that you think the EU mafia bosses care whether remaining citizens are impoverished.

  4. I really don’t get the attitude of the remainers on this one.

    On the one hand they’re still harping on about the £350 million per week on that bloody bus, and how we were all lied to.

    On the other we’re told that the EU asking for £85 billion is them being reasonable and only expecting us to pay for the commitments we have already made up until the current round of funding ends. Given that’s 2020 – it works out at £544 million per week.

    Which is it?

  5. Where was this regard for parliamentary democracy when it was slowly being eroded by the EU? Where was any concern for minority opinion when our dear leaders were signing Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon?

    I feel like I’m taking crazy pills here.

  6. Out of interest, what the Trident ICBM stock worth? Is there anything in the rules says the UK can’t pay Brussels in kind rather than cash? S’pose it’d depend on the market value of a couple hundred second hand nuclear warheads, only used once…

  7. Theresa’s done what anyone would do. She has in mind by now how she wants to play Brexit, knows that with her slim majority her own backbenches are a problem. Any well organised rebellion will bring down negotiations, possibly forcing her to resign at a time and place not of her choosing. Yes that’s what parliament’s for hurrah, but but what pollsters are for is “If i go to the polls will that problem go away?. Yes?.. ok let’s do it. And Parliament’s new found advocates can take comfort in the fact that an early election gives labour the chance to boot Corbyn out. Sure it’s at the cost of tacking on a couple of years out of power and some mischievous opportunist politiking over Brexit but its a chance to get a new leader who will get their electoral act together.

  8. So Much For Subtlety

    bloke in spain – “S’pose it’d depend on the market value of a couple hundred second hand nuclear warheads, only used once…”

    Nuclear warheads don’t have much value after they have been used once. But if they want to play hardball, we can play hardball too. Don’t sell them to the EU. Give them to various people in the EU. I am sure the Germans would like some. That would please a lot of people – especially the French. And to offset that, we could offer some to the Poles and Lithuanians. That would drive Putin spare so there’s that going for it.

  9. “Matthew L: That’s assuming he gives up the leadership.”

    Yes- it does assume that. I guess if he increases the number of seats from Ed Miliband then he could stay. If he does worse then he doesn’t have to go but he can expect a single candidate to run against him and more than there are now refusing to take jobs under him.

  10. Hopefully Corbyn will follow the precedent of serial loser Neil Kinnock, and hang around for at least two general elections.

  11. It all does seem rather odd – as if Remainers have taken leave of their senses.

    If I was to leave a club (not that I am a member of any) I would’t expect them to say:

    “Well, we budgeted for your subscription, so you have to pay it anyway otherwise we will make a loss.”

    I would instead expect them to act like reasonable people:

    “OK – we have to cut back on some of the things we planned, as we can’t now afford all of them, only some of them.”

    The fact that the EU never considers reducing spending, only increasing it – always at the expense of their own taxpayers – is proof enough of its dysfunctionality.

    And that’s without looking at the 2nd rate bureaucrats running it.

  12. It’s always been characteristic of a certain sort of Europhile to argue that our continued involvement in the Project is economically necessarily and politically trivial. You can see it in all those FT editorials about how we should join the Euro. The act of transferring our monetary policy to the country we fought two world wars against was presented as a no-brainer, opposed only by dim nativists and loons.

    The surprise has been that they actually seem to believe this garbage, and weren’t simply pretending to minimise opposition to their political goals. Well-educated professionals like Jolyon Maugham legitimately seem to believe that continuing in the EU was the neutral option, while returning to rule by the crown in parliament represents constitutional novelty. It’s utterly bizarre.

  13. It makes sense when you realise the Remainers are 100% on the EU side, they they despise the British population and whose ideal would be this country run as a satrapy from Brussels.

  14. Or at least those Remainers who still back the EU over the £100bn and assorted other bollocks in the recent past.

  15. Jack Hughes

    The EUro-ideology requires inexorable progress to a federal Europe, which in turn involves a financial ratchet, so that any cut in EU expenditure is out of the question because it is contrary to the EUro-ideology.

    Currently, I am enjoying asking Remoaners why they want to be members of club that treats a former member like this. If they reply that the UK has to be punished to prevent the derailment of the EU project by other states leaving, I ask them why they want to be members of a club that needs to coerce its current members like that.

  16. Sturgeon says we are stupid as we are in a weak position, funnily enough I’d say someone needing that much money off you with no clear legal case is the one that has a problem, and then they all seem to conveniently forget the other side of the balance sheet

  17. What’s the odds on the set of people outraged by the EU’s trampling of Greece’s sovereign rights being the same set stroking their chins over Juncker’s latest pissed wheeze and saying “seems reasonable; if only we’d voted Remain”?

  18. Given some of the liability is supposed to be future pension rights etc and the EU doesn’t have a pot of money for this, just pays it out of general expenditure then couldnt we simply say we will create our own ringfemced fund to be drawn down as costs arise and then just stuff it full of treasury bonds or just record it as a notional entry, doesn’t have to be paid to EU now as long as the formula/method is agreed for draw down

  19. Or we don’t pay any pensions for people who weren’t even employed by us, and instead set up a legal fund to support employees of the EU launch cases against their actual employer to recover their pensions.

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