Two articles in Murdoch papers over the last couple of days would have amused me if they weren’t enough to simultaneously reveal the stupidity of News International.

First there was The Sun lauding Patrick Minford. He’s the economist who came out on Thatcher’s side in 1981 to praise the destruction of UK manufacturing.

Err, what destruction of manufacturing was that?

Jeebus, if the Senior Lecturer at Islington Tech cannot even realise that UK manufacturing today is larger than it was under Thatcher, that manufacturing output rose over her term(s) then really,what hope is there for his poor students?

whilst assuming the UK can afford to give up all existing tariffs without consequence arising.

Err, no, he says there will be consequences, and they’ll be good.

35 thoughts on “Snigger”

  1. So he was the one who got it right whikle the 99 got it wrong! Thatcher did NOT destroy UK manufacturing, which performed better under Thatcher than New Labour, both in production and employment terms.

  2. Perhaps Ritchie could have helped UK manufacturing during the Thatcher era by gluing together his Trivial Pursuit boards in the UK instead of doing it in Ireland for tax purposes.

  3. The Inimitable Steve

    I remember Thatcher’s government passed the Destruction of UK Manufacturing Act, shortly before the third reading of the Moustache-Twirling Villains Oppressing The Poor And Minorities Bill.

    I broadly supported that legislation, but to be fair Bernard Weatherill didn’t need to club a disabled Argentinian baby miner to death with the Mace.

  4. Obviously there is manufacturing and, well, manufacturing.
    Thatcher destroyed the type of manufacturing that involved large unionized work forces in massive polluting factories and that is bad because we want the big polluting … um she stole milk so think of all the children… some thought process like that anyway.

  5. There is only one PM in history who oversaw a real terms decline in manufacturing output in the UK and that’s Gordon Brown.

    What Ritchie *means* is there was a decline in unionised, subsidised employment in manufacturing, thus reducing the power both of the unions (from whom he receives and/or has received money) and the government (as there is less largesse to be distributed by people who think like Ritchie). He sees jobs as a benefit, not a cost, and has the laughably romanticised view of dirty, dangerous, uncomfortable manual labour that is only ever found in middle-class idiots who have never had to do it themselves

  6. In what reasonable universe could the value of manufacturing today be less than that of 30 years ago?

    You’d have to bomb a country flat and ship everyone remaining to a concentration camp to achieve that.

    Oh, yeah, I forgot- Fatcha. Fatcha didit.

    Fatcha trumps all.

  7. The Inimitable Steve

    I fell in line somewhat earlier when under Heath she and Joseph piloted through the ‘Bill to starve children via the removal of free dairy products’ which i thought was a welcome move to the Free market..

  8. The Flatcap Army wins the thread

    Absolutely agree – an acquaintance of mine who worked closely with Murphy has a similarly romanticised view of manufacturing. Indeed the entire Corbynite agenda is about power, and transferring power back to the power bases ‘destroyed’ in the 1980s.

  9. Two articles in Murdoch papers over the last couple of days would have amused me

    I doubt that. I expect very little amuses him.

  10. Indeed the entire Corbynite agenda is about power, and transferring power back to the power bases ‘destroyed’ in the 1980s.

    Yes. We can’t have ordinary people hiring vans, for example, unless they go through our vast State bureaucracy first. The fact this measure is pathetically useless and that Muslim terrorists will just steal the fucking things instead or use some other sort of vehicle is no matter.

    We simply cannot have the public hiring vans willy nilly without any sort of planning or control by thick lazy twats in government.

  11. ” We can’t have ordinary people hiring vans, for example, unless they go through our vast State bureaucracy first. The fact this measure is pathetically useless and that Muslim terrorists will just steal the fucking things instead or use some other sort of vehicle is no matter.”
    Actually, worse than fucking useless. If they aren’t provided with the option of hiring a van they’ll steal one. And vans aren’t the easiest things to steal. Best way is to hi-jack one off some unsuspecting van driver. And as Muslim terrorists aren’t incentivised to be particularly caring & sharing about such an endeavour, you’re likely to be racking up your first fatality right there.

  12. If the removal of tarrifs is as Ritchie implies a bad thing, then we surely need to get out of the EU so we can impose tarrifs.on their goods as well

  13. ” If they aren’t provided with the option of hiring a van they’ll steal one.”

    Or even buy one. £500 on autotrader gets me one of any number of used old vans, all of which are capable of getting up to 60mph in a built up area and killing as many people as a brand new van hired yesterday. I’ll bet the average jihadi can lay his hands on that much cash if needed.

  14. Yep. Hire a ‘man with a van’

    Stab man to death.

    Drive off. Run people over.

    I’m not even a trained Jihadi and I can work that one out.

  15. Bloke in Wales in Dorset

    I’ll bet the average jihadi can lay his hands on that much cash if needed.

    And chances are they’ll put off informing the DVLA until after they’ve crash-tested it…

  16. @bloke in spain, August 21, 2017 at 5:10 pm

    …Best way is to hi-jack one off some unsuspecting van driver. And as Muslim terrorists aren’t incentivised to be particularly caring & sharing about such an endeavour, you’re likely to be racking up your first fatality right there.

    iirc that’s what happened in one the France attacks and police found dead driver in cab footwell.

  17. How about walking into your local Hertz, stabbing the women behind the counter and then just walking out with the keys.

    Eventually they will realise that the only solution is to ban vans. And, er, roads.

  18. “iirc that’s what happened in one the France attacks and police found dead driver in cab footwell.”

    Not forgetting the poor Polish driver of the Berlin lorry attack.

  19. One begins to wonder why the Islamic terrorists have been so monumentally lacking in imagination, in their choice and manner of attacks. A little bit of thought and creativity would suggest all manner of quite simple ways of creating havoc, some of it murderous, some merely disruptive, but still having a massive effect on the life of the country. Yet they persevere with merely crashing vehicles into people and small scale personal attacks, with no co-ordination whatsoever.

  20. Destruction of UK manufacturing. And we are still 9th in the world for manufacturing output.
    We need more destruction of manufacturing at this rate, maybe we can be 2nd.

  21. Once pointed out to some security guys that just having people book luggage onto a series of flights in a major airport and then not boarding would cause mass disruption, simply knowing some of the basic protocols makes it easy to disrupt systems

  22. Bloke in North Dorset

    Just after I left the Army in the early ’90s I was working in West London. We had two Irish people on the team and over lunch one day we got to discussing IRA tactics.

    I pointed out that killing and maiming was no way to get the English to change their minds, we’re too stubborn and it only affects a few people directly and very few of them are movers and shakers.

    I said that if I were IRAs chief strategist I’d move to strategy of maximum disturbance with minimum loss of life, giving blowing up the bridges at the M25/M4 intersection as an example. It would cause chaos for years and those most affected would have a big say in Government policy.

    A couple of years later, after I’d moved on, the IRA set of the M1 bomb. I’m sure it’s pure coincidence.

  23. Jim/BiND – I’m surprised they haven’t gone for a combo of IRA’s big truck bombs, only minus the warnings. I appreciate ANFO is harder to come by these days, but it could be done. A tonne of that in Canary Wharf at lunchtime and no telephone warning and they would really make people sit up and notice. Either have have another strategy or they haven’t yet thought this through. If it’s the latter, I think we’re in for a very bumpy ride, because this country is wide open to attack by suicidalists, and sadly the only response will be thoroughly illiberal.

  24. I think the average jihadi would struggle to get hold of enough AN to make a fuel bomb. The IRA were based in an agricultural area, they could nick it from farms, or just have a friendly farmer order it for them. And had plenty of places in the middle of nowhere to hide it too. Mohammed from Luton is going to struggle to manage to buy (or nick) then store tonnes of AN without arousing considerable suspicion.

    I think BiND has it spot on – cause enough low level grief to the population for long enough and something would have to change – the question is whether it would be a change the jihadis would want, oddly enough such a strategy might provoke a far greater anti-Muslim backlash than actual murder has.

    Personally I think trains are wide open for terrorist attacks – you have large heavy objects travelling at high speeds that are easily derailed, and hundreds of miles of track that is completely unguarded. A derailing device could be made in a garden shed, attached to the rails in the dark in the middle of nowhere and boom. Who’d want to travel on the train network once a few had been derailed at high speed?

  25. Jim, I think I was sitting on a train in 1988 or 89, stuck a fair way out of London Bridge, wondering why the IRA hadn’t tried mortar attacks on large rail or road junctions. They wouldn’t need to actually cause any damage for utter chaos to ensue.

    Although, causing economic chaos is a bit of a tough sell to your followers.

    And we’ve already got ASLEF.

  26. Jim – you could still get enough if you wanted to, though TBF why bother. I’d be surprised if they don’t work out how to obtain sizeable quantities of C4 eventually, especially given that they have extremely wealthy backers, inc states. They’re getting caught at the moment, but it’s a Darwinian sort of thing c/f the guys in Spain who didn’t stick out because they had Facebook pages full of pictures of girls, not Imams.

    As long as we’re blue sky thinking, I would get three blokes and a car full of petrol, bits of metal and an initiator of some sort. Then I’d drive to the perimeter fence near one of our airports, two guys hop out and cut the fence and the third drives in and detonates under the nearest 747’s wing tanks.

    The key difference between this lot and PIRA – the point I keep trying to get across IRL to people with neither the experience, the imagination or the brains to see it – is that they don’t care if they die. In fact, they see death as a Brucie. Very, very hard to stop a man who doesn’t care if he dies. In Afghanistan you can shoot them for driving towards you, though of course the Guardian and the BBC will call it murdser, or a war crime, or something. I live in hope that – if they must attack someone, and I obviously hope they don’t – it’s either the Graun or the Beeb and that it transpires that robust action might have saved them.

    It’s frightening how vulnerable we are, really.

  27. “It’s frightening how vulnerable we are, really.”

    Yes, at the moment its just fairly random idiots messing around in an uncoordinated manner. It won’t take much organisation and planning for it to get very nasty very quickly.

  28. If they were smart, they would be keeping their heads down for another generation or so…. Then it would be game over.

    Their biggest risk is getting too organised too soon?

  29. @Jim, August 21, 2017 at 9:47 pm

    One begins to wonder why the Islamic terrorists have been so monumentally lacking in imagination, in their choice and manner of attacks…
    …Yet they persevere with merely crashing [normal] vehicles into people and small scale personal attacks

    Indeed, these would be much more productive:

    1. Alvis Shielder

    2. Spartan CVRT

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