What is Paul Mason smoking?

Or switch to the plan as it was in early 2016 – a socially conservative, libertarian presidency headed by Pence.

How can you have a socially conservative libertarian? It’s an oxymoron, like logical journalist.

26 thoughts on “What is Paul Mason smoking?”

  1. What is Mason smoking?

    His own severed, desiccated and mummified dick.

    After all tobacco might give him cancer. And that niche in his life is already occupied by socialism.

  2. It’s an oxymoron in the same way “liberal progressive” is, but it’s still a thing. In fact it is the diametric opposite of “liberal progressive”.

  3. “socially conservative libertarian” — a libertarian in economic policy, a conservative in social policy – sounds like Mrs Thatcher or much of UKIP to me.

  4. ““socially conservative libertarian”
    A libertarian might decide that abortion isn’t victimless. A libertarian might even decide that some forms of consensual sexual activity (perhaps with vulnerable people) aren’t victimless. A libertarian might think we have all the social freedoms we can handle, but we need more economic freedoms.
    I’m not saying that Pence fits the description at all, but they aren’t logical opposites.

  5. A socially conservative libertarian is surely just someone who disagrees with certain behaviours but doesn’t see it as his business to forcibly stop them if there’s no victim?

  6. What wat said. Rare but logically reasonable.

    In fact philosophically it’s the only genuinely libertarian stance, to allow people to do things that you think are wrong.

  7. Well, whatever he is, he doesn’t appear to be so obviously an arsehole. Donald Trump most definitely is.

  8. This was entertaining

    ‘It funds, among other things, nearly 300 academic courses at colleges and universities, where the syllabus is dictated by the right: students learn that Keynes is bad, sweatshops are good and climate change is a myth.’

    As opposed to almost every other syllabus in America dictated by the ultra Left PC fanatics where:

    ‘students learn that free speech is wrong, all activity should be controlled by the state and that Climate Change is so severe it requires the partial suspension of liberty of action and thought and an economic model along the lines of the Soviet union or North Korea’

    The question the post should be asking is ‘what ISN’T Paul Mason smoking?’ with maybe a supplemental of ‘WTF are the Security services doing that this man is not facing a charge of treason?’

  9. Its easy to have a socially conservative (American) libertarian.

    The difference is between someone who is socially conservative and someone who is socially conservative that attempts to force you, at the point of a gun, to adopt his preferred lifestyle.

    The first guy can be a libertarian, the second guy isn’t.

    Pence wouldn’t be a libertarian even if he were socially progressive/permissive/liberal.

  10. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I’m socially conservative in how I live without insisting everyone else be. If I can be extended the same courtesy in the opposite direction then everything is hunky-dory.

  11. It’s the difference between a Christian and a member of the church hierarchy. The former can adopt a socially conservative lifestyle without feeling the need to preach to others about it because … dogma.

  12. Social Justice Warrior

    It depends whose liberty you prioritize. Our host, for example, managed to persuade himself that the freedom of priests not to have to conduct same-sex marriages in some hypothetical future was more import than the freedom of same-sex couples to marry each other.

  13. Political values and ultimate goals —- liberty, equality, justice, democracy, tradition, stability, prosperity, etc – conflict.

    You can have a lot of equality at the expense of liberty, prosperity, democracy, tradition, and justice. You can have a lot of liberty and prosperity at the expense of equality and (some say) justice – and even tradition and stability. And so on.

    You can, however, make your selection of values — all of which admit of degree — and then determine your particular trade-offs.

    So, a socially conservative libertarian might be one who gives the value of liberty a very high ranking but yet might be prepared to see liberty qualified to protect the traditional social order — eg from libertarians who see ‘gender’ as fluid or who want gender-free primary education or who promote abortion….

    Not unlike the views of witchie, George Fox or our esteemed host…

  14. “Social Justice Warrior
    August 8, 2017 at 8:06 pm

    It depends whose liberty you prioritize. Our host, for example, managed to persuade himself that the freedom of priests not to have to conduct same-sex marriages in some hypothetical future was more import than the freedom of same-sex couples to marry each other.”

    The freedom of those same sex couples has not been infringed by not enslaving priests to their desires. They can still get married. They just can’t enslave anyone else to do it.

    Not understanding the difference is why ‘social justice’ is an oxymoron.

  15. Social Justice Warrior

    Sigh. I have no wish whatever to force priests to marry any couple. And nor does the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, which explicitly states (section 2) that a person may not be compelled by any means to solemnize a same-sex marriage.

    Our host invented a wholly spurious concern about this to justify UKIP’s policy opposing same-sex marriage, which was of course concerned not with liberty but with appealing to bigots.

    From which I deduce that so-called libertarians can come up with an excuse for almost anything, so long as it doesn’t restrict opportunities for rich people to get richer.

  16. Paul

    “Sigh. I have no wish whatever to force priests to marry any couple. And nor does the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act, which explicitly states (section 2) that a person may not be compelled by any means to solemnize a same-sex marriage.”

    And, in your fantasy world, I have no doubt that a baker in Northern Ireland would never (sigh?) have been punished for not baking a gay cake (where a judge appeared to confuse the customer for the product)? It’s always step by step, pretending or lying otherwise.

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