Eco-fascism isn’t just an insult

“Facing the ruin of their environment, the Chinese looked hard and amended their constitution. This core document now calls for the building of an ecological civilisation,” he says. “We built an agricultural, then an industrial, and now must build an ecological civilisation.”

“I have no cynicism about whether they mean to do it. My job is to try and clean up the environment for future generations. The Chinese really want to do that.” This task, apparently insurmountable for the west, is made possible by China’s 2,500-year tradition of centralised government.

Highly authoritarian, centralised government that is.

Thornton says that when he first went to China, he’d only read the western media about it and had many of the same notions he’s often challenged with, especially concerning democracy and human rights. “And I understand where they come from. But I also know that the western democracies that we prize so much aren’t doing very well with respect to the environment. We’ve elected somebody in the United States who seems really dedicated to the notion of contempt for the environment.”

In the west, efforts to address environmental problems are fragmentary and not well funded. “Whereas in China,” he says, “suddenly you have this direction from the top on down asking all of these top people over the course of the next few decades: How does everything have to change to deliver this?”

There’s a certain relish there, isn’t there? That licking of the lips at the State’s power to force everyone to do as he wants.

14 thoughts on “Eco-fascism isn’t just an insult”

  1. “Thornton is also a Zen Buddhist priest, which helps him to see intractable environmental problems with a commanding clarity and precision, and to approach them with admirable pragmatism, patience, tenacity and long-term strategy.”

    Zen Buddhism eh? My grandfather would have a few things to say about his experiences at the hands of Zen Buddhists 70 odd years ago.

  2. I find a lot of Westerners in business in Asia – all of whom have benefited from growing up in a liberal democracy – like to praise the stability and certainty that Chinese authoritarianism lends to doing business there.

    Of course if they ever have to fight a court case in China, they are not so keen on the CCP’s control… I wonder if our Zen priest has tried to prosecute a state-owned enterprise in China?

    I’m sure China is quite serious about trying to protect the environment however it is not going to do it at the expense of growth. Thus you get a lot of environmentally-friendly development but rather more building of airports and coal-fired power stations.

    Also, rampant corruption means that it doesn’t matter what laws are in place, far enough away from Beijing’s eyes and with the right bribes businesses can do what they like.

  3. “I wonder if our Zen priest has tried to prosecute a state-owned enterprise in China?”

    I imagine he would be no different to those scum who supported Stalin in the early years, extolling the virtues of the totalitarianism, and justifying the body count as the price of progress right up to the moment Stalin signed their own death warrants.

  4. For environmentalists people are a problem to be controlled. I bet he liked the one child policies too. Not for him though, for the little people.

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    Having embraced free markets China is now wealthy enough to have a significant middle class. Like all middle classes they have moved are at the top of Maslow’s Triangle and can worry about the environment around them as somewhere to enjoy rather than something to provide food and security.

    The CCP has to maintain at least the semblance of looking after the people and contains a large part of that middle class, so picks up on the concerns.

    As I point out to people complaining about free markets and capitalism, it provides the wealth they want to spend on the stuff they like and point to China and India as examples.

  6. China only does something if it is profitable (which could be in terms of money or power). If cleaning up the environment is more profitable than not doing it, they will do it – as long as the results are seen within the power cycle of the current leadership clique.

  7. “And I understand where they come from. But I also know that the western democracies that we prize so much aren’t doing very well with respect to the environment.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smog#/media/File:SmogNY.jpg

    At one point the smog in places like Los Angeles was bad enough the you might only be able to see clearly for a mile, couple miles hazily.

    And we fixed that. Without a repressive centralized government.

    China, which has, as mentioned, a 2,500 year history of oppressive centralized governments has smog where it can be difficult to see *a hundred feet*.

    But we’re supposed to ignore that county’s oppressive centralized government’s policies in *creating* that in the first place.

  8. Lets hear it for the much maligned British system! Plucky UKIP with only one MP (a Conservative convert) and the support of a few newspapers heroically defeats that willy wet- leg Cameron and secures our beneficent ejection from our principal trading bloc.This could have never happened in China or any of these God forsaken places which lack the sophistication of the Daily Mail and Farage.

  9. Are you attempting some sort of obscure piss-take Reedy? Or is this another one of your sub-personalitys reaching the light of day?

    We know you are an arrogant Remainiac traitor with a 1950s complex but it seems you are now a brazen admirer of mass-murdering Chinese tyranny as well.

    Come back when “plucky UKIP” have 100 million murders on their conscience as do the Chinese Socialist Party ( “Communist” is so 1950s –dont’cha think).

    Good job Red Scum like you don’t have any consciences isn’t it? You wouldn’t be able to sleep nights otherwise.

  10. @ Agammamon
    The first Clean Air Act was sponsored by the Corporation of London (the infamous “City”).
    Sixty years Thornton’s favourite ecological Chinese are burning more coal than the rest of the world put together.
    The phrase “terminological inexactitude” springs to mind when reading his quotes.

  11. @Ecksy – I think he’s just a loony to be honest mate… He’s probably up all night chewing newspapers to make a wasp’s nest-style shelter in his bedsit.

  12. Idiots like this think the reason China is plastering their countryside with solar panels is because they care about the environment, rather than it being a handy programme via which to shovel money from the state coffers into the pockets of well-placed individuals.

  13. James Thornton’s specialty is suing governments and corporations on behalf of his only client – the Earth

    It starts with total bollocks like this and continues with barely a pause.

    “Whereas in China,” he says, “suddenly you have this direction from the top on down asking all of these top people over the course of the next few decades: How does everything have to change to deliver this?”

    Let a thousand flowers bloom!

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