Fun how the sums never do add up, isn’t it?

Simon Woolley and The Guardian are telling us all how appallingly white Britain’s elite is. This is rather a large campaign by them in fact. One part of which gives us our nomination for the most egregious piece of innumeracy to appear in The Guardian:

But right now, the path to power for minorities is strewn with rocks and hurdles. A BBC study last year – accompanying David Harewood’s documentary Will There Ever Be a Black Prime Minister? – highlighted the fact that 50% of the 2014 intake for Oxford and Cambridge University was taken from five private schools.

Surely one of The Guardian’s editors was going to catch that? After all, most of them did go to private schools and then onto Oxbridge. They’d thus have personal experience of the relative sizes of the various institutions.

34 thoughts on “Fun how the sums never do add up, isn’t it?”

  1. They never seem to include ethnic Jews when considering how under-represented minority groups are – the exception which disproves the rule?

  2. From the Guardian comments on the article:

    “Nonloonyleft

    How bright white is the Guardian then?”

    “erikus

    Quite white. Not very bright”

    Arf, arf.

  3. No doubt our forthcoming black PM will bring peace and harmony to the land, like Saint Barack Obama (peace be upon him) did for the USA.

    Oh, they’re more divided on race than ever? Back to the drawing board.

  4. Most professional footballers come from club academy systems. This is unfair. Equal representation must be given to players who have never been to a foorball academy.

  5. How ethnically diverse is the leadership of China? India? Surely in terms of racial diversity those countries are much greater need of enrichment than the UK?

  6. When I was at Oxford, admittedly at a lesser, less posh college, there was one boy from Eton, and one boy from (I think) Stowe, in my college, although Stowe isn’t even on that list. Quite a few kids from minor public schools. Loads of kids from state schools.

    And looking at the BBC article that the Guardian uses as its reference, the numbers definitely don’t add up:

    “Four independent schools – Eton, Westminster, St Paul’s Boys and St Paul’s Girls – and state-funded Hills Road Sixth Form College in Cambridge, together sent 946 pupils to Oxford and Cambridge between 2007 and 2009.

    By contrast, 2,000 lower-performing schools combined sent a total of 927 students to the two elite universities, getting less than 6% of available places, the Sutton Trust found.”

    Eh? First of all, note that the five private schools that Simon Woolley in The Guardian talks about are actually foiur private schools, and one state school. But, ignoring that, how do 927 students add up to 50% in one case, and 6% in the other? There’s some serious distortions going on here. But the link to the original Sutton Trust report is now broken, so there’s no quick way of checking, but I wouldn’t trust that either.

  7. Complete nonsense, given that back in 2010 55% of Oxford came from State schools and its now almost 60%. Further googling points out that around 30% came from the top 200 independent/grant maintained schools. More likely that the top 5 private schools got more than 50% of their Oxbridge applicants into Oxbridge, which is not the same at all – especially as they ruthlessly sift out who they allow to apply.
    The reality is that back in the 1980s 80% of public school kids that were entered got in, now it is less than 40% so it used to be an extended sixth form for posh middle class types. Then in the 1990s the city started employing ‘numerate graduates from Oxbridge’ and the number of smart kids applying went up, squeezing out the next generation of Toynbees and equating Oxbridge with high salaries for graduates rather than rich daddies of graduates. This trickled down into public schools where first generation oxbridge then sent their offspring to Eton, Winchester, St Pauls etc and, being smarter and richer crowded out the offspring of the Oxbridge Guardianistas. That is why they hate public schools. The latter of course all work at the Guardian and resent the former bitterly. It’s all rather amusing TBH

  8. There’s nearly 7k acceptances by Oxford and Cambridge every year. So for 3 years 2007/8/9 thats about 20k places. 927/20k = 4-5%.

  9. The intake at my Oxford college was about 120. My fairly large private school had yeargroups of about the same size. We sent between 5 and 10 to Oxbridge per year.

    Anyway, it’s just the English grads at the Groan having zero feeling for numbers. They saw two numbers which were similar, didn’t understand that there’s a 3rd, much bigger number representing “other”, and went with 50% since they’re disnumerate fucktards.

  10. “Most professional footballers come from club academy systems. This is unfair. Equal representation must be given to players who have never been to a football academy.”

    Black players are also massively over represented, which must be racial discrimination, right?

  11. “Black players are also massively over represented, which must be racial discrimination, right?”

    No,no,no, you’ve got it all wrong. They were picked because they’re better than white players, but fewer black MP’s is due to racism.

  12. Interesting quote from the BBC “…2,000 lower-performing schools combined sent a total of 927 students to the two elite universities,” So they each sent a fraction of a student? Dr Frankenstein has been very busy!
    How many of these schools were for children with Severe or Moderate Learning Difficulties?

  13. Even the Beeb thinks it’s a crock of shit. Just today this article has appeared. Problem solved I’d say, if you ever thought there was a problem in the first place.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41401863

    Rebecca Smith will begin life as a student this weekend – the first person in her family to go to university.
    She’ll be starting at Cambridge – and will be part of an intake that has the highest proportion of state school students for 35 years.

    But Cambridge’s latest admissions figures, shown to the BBC, will reveal that more than 63% of new students are state-educated – the highest since at least 1982.

  14. Isn’t deliberately stirring racial hatred a crime in this country? And isn’t it possible to commit a crime by negligence rather than design?

    If I am correct on this, can we have a case against the Guardian that in deliberately seeking to raise the race issue, they are using figures with such negligance that they are creating a narrative of racism that is not happening, and therefore fueling racial hatred?

    One can only dream – at the moment the Guardian seems to face no consequences better than Tim’s scorn (and rapid correction below the line if they are stupid enough to leave comments open) for this sort of ‘error’.

  15. “…rapid correction below the line if they are stupid enough to leave comments open”

    Not that such corrections have the slightest effect on Guardian journalists to repeat the fables or on the opinions of those whose opinions are set in stone anyway.

  16. What’s the definition of school here?

    To get into university, you need A-levels (or equivalent).

    A quick gander gives ~24/- schools, of which ~17/- are primary, of the remaining ~8/-, 3,300-ish are state secondaries, 1,000 are special and 2,500-ish are independent. The Association of Colleges say there are 334 colleges in the UK.

    So, how many of these can offer the required level of study? Absolute maximum seems to be about 7,100, but we can probably ignore the special schools, and a fair chunk of the independents (as they might be primaries or something else, call it 25% or a bit over 600), so just over 5/- tops.

    But that number is still 15x the Association of Colleges figure, so what the hell is “2,000 lower performing schools” supposed to mean?

  17. >Equal representation must be given to players who have never been to a football academy.

    And indeed to people who can’t play football, especially if they only have one leg.

  18. Gamecock: appallingly white.

    In a country that is ~82% white, calling white people appalling seems a bad idea. How do they get away with it?

  19. When there is a black PM and they’re Tory, they won’t be black of course, just like Mrs T and Mrs M aren’t really women. Just like Sarah Palin wasn’t a woman either when she stood for VP in the US.

    Colour and gender only count if you’re on the Left.

  20. “state-funded Hills Road Sixth Form College in Cambridge”: I saw an interview of the headmaster in the Cambridge local rag a few years ago. He boasted about how many of his pupils went to Oxbridge. The journalist asked him how many of those had swapped from private schools to do sixth form at his joint. He gave the question a swerve.

    And Another Thing: doesn’t the original article anyway assume that all the Oxbridge entrants from the five schools are white? I suppose Indians and Chinese are white now.

  21. It’s interesting how “people of color” all over the world want to migrate to “appallingly white” countries. Wouldn’t they be happier back home where whitey isn’t there to oppress them? I’m perplexed.

  22. “By contrast, 2,000 lower-performing schools combined sent a total of 927 students to the two elite universities”

    It’s right there, right in the middle of the fucking sentence, LOWER-PERFORMING, how the fuck are low performing schools going to get many kids into the two most elite universities in the world? That they each managed to get 0.4635 of a student in should be considered a fucking miracle.

  23. “Wouldn’t they be happier back home where whitey isn’t there to oppress them? I’m perplexed.”

    It is curious. Black Americans have been free to return to Africa for 150 years, yet they are still here.

    There used to be groups that publicly proclaimed they would pay for their transportation.

  24. Meanwhile, in the US, the appallingly black NFL is protesting the American flag and the National Anthem. Perhaps the stupidest marketing move in the history of Man.

  25. Gamecock – the fact this Alejandro Villanueva chap, a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, has been made to apologise for turning up and standing for the national anthem, while his teammates cowered in the locker room, is perhaps one of the more disgusting acts of SJW villainy.

  26. It’s right there, right in the middle of the fucking sentence, LOWER-PERFORMING, how the fuck are low performing schools going to get many kids into the two most elite universities in the world? That they each managed to get 0.4635 of a student in should be considered a fucking miracle.

    Which demonstrates that sufficiently bright children can survive even the worst school. Schools basically have an effect only on the middle ground – they can take an average pupil and turn them into something slightly above or slightly below average, depending on the performance of the school.

  27. Magnusw: “…perhaps one of the more disgusting acts of SJW villainy.”

    Blaming the SJWs for that is like blaming your dog for crapping on the rug. It’s just a dumb animal, doing what dumb animals do.

    Blame those who should have the common sense and courage to ignore the whining & yapping but don’t. They are the ones that forced this man to do what he did.

    Blame him too, for not having the courage to stand firm.

  28. @ Chris Miller
    “Which demonstrates that sufficiently bright children can survive even the worst school.”
    Only if he is big enough and tough enough

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