If you’ve the wrong views you cannot gain power!

Rees-Mogg is, however, not some kind of joke, as Boris Johnson also appeared to be once upon a while. He is an earnestly serious politician intent on advancing his views, which are utterly alien to those of most people in the UK. I respect his right to oppose gay marriage and abortion. I think he is utterly wrong on both counts, as I do think the Roman Catholic faith has called these issues incorrectly. But I do not now think it appropriate (which is something different from a right) for a person holding such views to seek high office, or candidly, ministerial office in the UK, when they are so deeply antagonistic to the human rights of a majority of people in this country.

Politics is about expressing opinion, of course. But political office is different. Political office is about acting in the best interest of all, and not in the interest of a section of society. Those who successfully hold public office show that they are sensitive to the greater demands that responsibility to all requires of them. Rees-Mogg has clearly indicated he is unable to accept that responsibility and as such is not suited to any ministerial office.

The Curajus State and its monopoly on GoodThink, no?

It is rather violating a basic tenet of democracy.

Actually, looking up the Islamic views on abortion they appear akin to the old Catholic ones, not permissible after the quickening (which they put at 4 months, rather than the older Catholic perhaps 3). And rape ain’t a reason to go against that either.

Foetal abnormality isn’t a general exemption either.

And here’s the BBC’s GCSE notes on it:

Abortion is not permitted within Islam unless it’s to save the mother’s life. Even if a pregnant woman is sentenced to death, this cannot be carried out until the baby has been born.
The later the abortion takes place the worse it is thought to be. Some Muslims believe that for the first four months of pregnancy the woman has greater rights than the foetus but that after this time they are equal.

90 thoughts on “If you’ve the wrong views you cannot gain power!”

  1. Political office is about acting in the best interest of all, and not in the interest of a section of society.

    I saw the interview with JR-M yesterday. He was erudite and forthright in his views. He made the distinction between his own personal views and the law of the land. This in itself makes him an ideal candidate for public office. Such honesty is to be admired and he would get my vote.

  2. At least Rees-Mogg hasn’t advocated holding back live-saving aid until “tax havens” open up private accounts. He has a long, long way to go before he reaches the Curajus State goodthink nirvana.

  3. democracy in the UK??
    Where you can only have safe opinions if you don’t say them.
    If you are selected by affirmative action?
    You all actually voted for the current state of affairs!

  4. …his views…are utterly alien to those of most people in the UK. I respect his right to oppose gay marriage and abortion. I think he is utterly wrong on both counts…I do not now think it appropriate (which is something different from a right) for a person holding such views to seek high office, or candidly, ministerial office in the UK, when they are so deeply antagonistic to the human rights of a majority of people in this country.

    So Murphy now holds that all Muslims as well as RC’s are not “appropriate” for “high office”.

    Please, someone challenge him on this and report back…

  5. I love the cognitive dissonance in many ‘right-ons’ not realising that opposition to both SSM and abortion is a standard Catholic view and in fact a standard religious view, meaning its likely that ethnic and religious minorities (who by way of being a small group defined by religion are more religious than the rest of society) quite often believe the same things as JRM on those issues.

  6. Perhaps now that Murphy has accepted the way to Vermine is closed to him and Brexit means his EU gravy train is approaching the buffers, he’s making a play to one day become Pope?

  7. As I said myself:

    Political candidates are supposed to make the right noises in front of the metropolitan media elites, and if they don’t pompous twats will start saying things like “they’re not fit for public office”. What used to be said only in relation to a candidate’s criminal history or unethical behaviour is now splashed around simply for having dissenting views. And there was me thinking it was elections which sorted out which candidates the public want in office, not elites working cushy jobs in London.

  8. Sometimes, Spud’s personal version of English is a wonder.

    “But I do not now think it appropriate (which is something different from a right) for a person holding such views to seek high office, or candidly, ministerial office in the UK,”

    To seek ministerial office candidly? He should obfuscate & lie? I can see how that might be to the personal advantage of a politician. But promoting it?

    He’s not speaking English as a foreign language is he? I know he boasts of a Paddy passport but Irish is just one of those toybox languages people claim to be different, isn’t it? No-one actually uses it for proper stuff.

  9. Tim Newman

    Just read your blog on Trump. Yup he’s a symptom. And it’s true he is a pretty benign version of what we could end up with.

    Fundamentally the problem is that the globalist elite havent paid enough attention to the proles. The UK is fortunate – it generally doesnt do extremes – although the rise of Corbyn is quite worrying. The continent is far less fortunate – I suspect the next major crisis will lead to extremist regimes in some major countries – probably Italy, possibly France.

  10. BTW, Obama opposed Gay Marriage as recently as 2012. Presumably Snippa believed him to be unfit for high office, but you’d be hard pressed to find him saying so.

  11. “…. when they are so deeply antagonistic to the human rights of a majority of people in this country.”

    I’m pretty sure that the majority of people in the UK aren’t gay.

  12. “Political office is about acting in the best interest of all, and not in the interest of a section of society. Those who successfully hold public office show that they are sensitive to the greater demands that responsibility to all requires of them. Rees-Mogg has clearly indicated he is unable to accept that responsibility …”

    He’s done nothing of the sort. Only a cretin or a shameless liar could say that he has.

    He’s said ‘This is the accepted practice in society, I disagree with it and will never take part in it, but I will not stop others from doing so.’

    As Henry Crun points out, this is what is – or used to be – accepted as a perfectly normal liberal outlook.

  13. Noone who does not condition their support, or abhorrence, of abortion on the particular qualities of the individual babies being killed should be allowed to vote, let alone serve in public office.

  14. From TN’s blog, linked above:

    It’s not difficult to see what’s going on here. The lefty middle classes don’t care about abortion, it’s a non-issue in the UK, they’ve just seized on it because it’s a divisive subject in the US and they think they can use it as a stick with which to beat Rees-Mogg over the head. Both they and wet “conservatives” cluttering up the Tory party simply don’t like the idea of a proper, traditional conservative leading the Conservative party: they prefer wet bellends like Cameron who pander to the left while pretending to be Tory. A simply test of whether Rees-Mogg’s critics are genuinely looking to uphold principles on abortion and gay marriage is by seeing how they approach politicians of other conservative religions who hold similar views.

    This.

  15. @ Paul Rain
    That would be undemocratic. While it would reduce the influence of rabid feminists if they were automatically disenfranchised, I cannot support disenfranchising people just because they disagree with me.

  16. It’s either supreme ignorance that politics is often about representing and contesting different viewpoints or values.

    Or

    It’s a naked schmittian position of wiping out the oppositional view against abortion and SSM.

    To be fair one side has to win in practice, you either have those things or don’t.

    While I myself am as pro-choice as they come and pragmatically back SSM (I care not for marriage in general), I find this worrying as this is a play to complete domination of opposing values which while I don’t hold them are legitimate positions.

    Public virtue shifts over time. It used to be pro-choice positions that were seen as monsterous by the majority and those in power. Where would we be if those radicals were hounded as being unfit for public office?

  17. “Public virtue shifts over time.”

    My mrs remembers being taught at a US university 15-20 years ago that the mere suggestion of gay marriage was offensive. It was “heteronormative”, you see, and was an “instutution of oppression”, and hence No True Gay would ever want to subject themselves to such oppressive heteronormative structures.

    Fast forward to now, and if your view differs even marginally from the polar opposite of that you’re beyond the pale.

  18. Knowing Me, Knowing Steve

    He is an earnestly serious politician intent on advancing his views, which are utterly alien to those of most people in the UK.

    Christianity is utterly alien to most people in the UK? Does the Queen know?

    Those who successfully hold public office show that they are sensitive to the greater demands that responsibility to all requires of them

    Catholics or trad Christians in general are only allowed to be in politics if they’re Pharisaical hypocrites like Tony Blair? And I might be being unfair to the Pharisees here. There’s no evidence they approved of infanticide or slaughtering hordes of Iraqis for no good reason.

    Yesterday was one of those organised media outrages, obviously aiming at aborting the growing Moggmentum. (“Catholic father of six is pro-life, thinks marriage is between one man and one woman!” isn’t exactly news, and it’s not as if Rees-Mogg was hitherto cunningly hiding his opinions under his top hat)

    It’s copypasta from the same template they used to get rid of an Italian EU Commissioner a few years back. I don’t think it’ll work this time though.

    Contra Spud, I don’t believe anything Mogg said is either alien or particularly worrisome to the majority of British people. You don’t need to be a bead-rattling left-footer with a house full of plaster statues of the saints and a mini-shrine to Celtic FC to be unconvinced by the 5-minute-old institution of gay marriage, particularly given the way it was sprung on us by a smug, out of touch, Metropolitan elite who immediately congratulated themselves on their bravery.

    There is no moral consensus on abortion, either. Instead, there’s a dishonest political consensus to not think about it too much. We were sold a pup on abortion – sad tales of backstreet coathanger shenanigans and a promise that legalised abortion would only be used in rare cases.

    That turned out to be bullshit, and its bullshitenessence is highlighted by the fact that we’re still pretending rape is a significant factor in our abortion statistics. It isn’t. We liquidate about 100,000 healthy unborn humans a year largely out of convenience. At the same time, we’re told we’d best get used to being a minority in our own country, because birthrates. Anybody spot an opportunity for a quick win there?

    Most people, in their hearts, are at least uncomfortable with the reality of abortion, even if they think it should be legal. Only the nuttiest of doctrinaire feminists think killing an unborn child is a Good Thing. If it were not the case, we wouldn’t need to frame the issue so dishonestly. Abortion doctors would be national heroes, and instead of regional detective series’ we’d all tune in to watch A TOUCH OF FORCEPS.

    I also reckon, but can’t prove, that the younger generation is trending Right. Not in a stuffy old conservative way, but in a new way that is outrageously iconoclastic, unapologetically pro-Western, and darkly funny. Think Milo.

    More importantly from a politics perspective, HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT IN [CURRENT YEAR]? arguments don’t work any more unless used against weak people who immediately apologise for having an opinion.

    I bang on about Trump because, as usual, the magnificently-coiffeured maestro has much to teach right-wingers about holding your frame. Shaming tactics only work if you let them. The public is sick of bland, focus group tested, ideological contortionist pod people politicians.

    Rees-Mogg is authentic and sincere, at a time when the market value of sincere authenticity is going up. If he sticks to his expensively handmade English blunderbusses, he’ll be fine.

  19. @Steve – I looked up the UK abortion stats a while ago, and it was something like 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 pregnancies ended in an abortion……..

    Jesus tittyfucking christ those are awful figures.

  20. They are not really his personal views, though, are they? He’s parroting the Pope’s views. If the Bishop of Rome changes his infallible mind so will Rees-Mogg.

  21. Knowing Me, Knowing Steve

    abacab – Yarp. About 685,000 live births (increasingly of foreign mothers), and over 185,000 abortions:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/17/abortion-rate-england-and-wales-five-year-high

    And about those tragic backstreet abortions the 1967 Act was supposed to remedy:

    Almost four in 10 terminations are now carried out on women who have undergone the procedure before. Fifty women had each had eight terminations, the figures revealed.

    Also NB:

    The figures provide further evidence that abortions are becoming less common among women under 30 and more so among women aged 30 and over.

    Possibly because younger women are more pro-life, more Muslim or Polish, or just know how to use a condom, or all three?

    Nota Bullshit: Ann Furedi, the BPAS chief executive, said she was concerned that older women were finding it harder to access contraception

    You can’t even go into a pub toilet without finding a condom machine, but somehow grown British women are struggling to keep naked willies out of their vaginas.

    This is just heartbreaking:

    Last year 70% of women ending a pregnancy were either married or had a partner – a big rise from 48% in 2005.

    I honestly don’t know how anybody could stay together after doing that. Remember the ending to “Alfie”? What’s it all about?

  22. The truly fabulous JuliaM

    ‘He’s done nothing of the sort. Only a cretin or a shameless liar could say that he has.’

    How to perfectly sum up a person in two sentences. Deserves to be his epitaph. A more venal and ignorant man is almost impossible to find anywhere in Cyberspace.

  23. Knowing Me, Knowing Steve

    dearieme – I’m impressed with the consistency of your old-school papist-bashing, but don’t you think the idea that Catholic pols are mindless marionettes of the Vatican conspiracy is a bit… window-lickingly retarded, given that the Reformation happened some time ago and those damned fish-eaters still haven’t ushered in a theocracy with big hats?

    If they catch Rees-Mogg in a Westminster cellar with a load of gunpowder I will gladly concede your point though.

  24. Rees-Mogg’s personal views are irrelevant when one considers what would have to happen for them to go from being his personal views to being the law of the land.

    Step 1. Put them in a Conservative Party manifesto.
    Step 2. The End.

    And even if he got them in to the manifesto.
    Step 3. Win a general election
    Step 4. Introduce legislation
    Step 5. Act against all parliamentary precedent and enforce a three line whip on these issues.
    Step 6. Win the vote.

    He will never even suggest such things should become law. The only reason he has let them be raised now is to neutralise the subjects so they can’t be used against him later. His responses to Morgan were exactly what I would expect from him, honest, thoughtful and well presented.

    #MoggMentum

  25. Knowing Me, Knowing Steve

    V_P – I have regenerated as a beautiful woman who is also called Steve. I don’t mind the boobs, but the mood swings are bloody killing me.

  26. Of course the spudotollah with his quakerism only channels good views. The man’s hypocrisy knows no bounds. He’s more or less admitted that his views on the EU are influenced by the fact that they are his paymasters. Give him enough money and he’ll agree with anything. His ideal state would involve monitoring of peoples bank accounts and value judgements as to what is or is not excessive consumption and various other forms of snooping. He’s much more obnoxious and dangerous than jrm with his privately held beliefs. The spudotollah wants to inflict his beliefs on the population of the uk – jrm does not.

    @theo “So Murphy now holds that all Muslims as well as RC’s are not “appropriate” for “high office”.

    Please, someone challenge him on this and report back…”

    you know already what his reply will be – you’re a timewaster and a troll.

  27. The inimitable Steve/ knowing Me/ Knowing Steve

    I always recall the late Peter Simple pointing out how disingenuous the Abortion lobby were over the decades the procedure has been legal. I especially recall him memorably asking why they were not called ‘Pro Death’ given their use of the term ‘Pro Life’ as a means of disparagement.

    You can get into serious hot water having the views Rees – Mogg has in polite society but like you I suspect both the newer generation and people in general are getting a little hacked off with the incessant propaganda that traditional beliefs are ‘evil’. Those like Murphy who think that the train of opinion is in one direction my find that direction can change pretty quickly, and not always peacefully….

  28. “Ann Furedi, the BPAS chief executive, said she was concerned that older women were finding it harder to access contraception”

    Tesco own-brand johnnies are 54p each. Available in Tesco.

    Or does she mean “older wimminz are finding it harder to get the NHS to pay for exactly the type of contraception they want”?

    Or that they’re getting too pissed to get their newly-discovered lover to bag up by the bins behind KFC?

  29. “Ann Furedi, the BPAS chief executive, said she was concerned that older women were finding it harder to access contraception”

    How long before we have “condom poverty”?

    Perhaps defined as being when the cost of the contraception is greater than the cost of the drinks it takes for someone to shag you?

  30. Spud’s reply:

    “I am saying that if their position is stated as bluntly as Rees-Mogg made his then they do not have he necessary balanced judgement to make informed decisions for the population as a whole.”

    Backed up by Sue:
    “Whatever Muslims believe, they are expected to respect “British values” (whatever they might be). There are people out there who think that Rees-Mogg’s views should be British values. It seems to me that’s the difference.”

  31. Gosh. Would we prefer murph and his ilk to decide, or do we stick with a democratic vote. That is a difficult one.

  32. @ dearieme
    Have you considered the possibility that JRM remains a Roman Catholic because of his beliefs rather than expressing orthodox beliefs because he is a Roman Catholic?

  33. Avis Murphy watchers may like this latest commentary by anti SNP blogger Kevin Hague:

    “Having once proudly boasted that they had Nobel Laureates championing their cause, the SNP now appear reduced to relying on the increasingly embarrassing contributions of accountant and tax specialist Professor Richard Murphy.

    We should be more interested in what Murphy says than who he is, but given his penchant for self-aggrandisement it’s worth noting that he’s the man who was unceremoniously dumped as an advisor to Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party. John McDonnell publicly stated that Murphy “leaves a lot to be desired on macroeconomic policy”, to which he responded by suggesting that the Shadow Chancellor – a self-confessed fan of Karl Marx’s Das Kapital – was “all too willing to accept conventional neoliberal thinking”. Let’s be kind and just say that nobody can accuse Murphy of being guilty of conventional thinking.

    Politically homeless, Murphy seems to have cast his eyes north and spotted a pro-independence movement bereft of ideas and desperate to find ways to distract from the simple facts shown in GERS.”

    LOLZ!

  34. The backbencher told ITV’s Good Morning Britain that abortion was “morally indefensible”.

    “Life is sacrosanct and begins at the point of conception,” he said.

    The North East Somerset MP has recently faced questions about his leadership ambitions, dismissing reports linking him with the job as “jolly August stuff”.

    Appearing on Good Morning Britain, he again distanced himself from leadership talk, before being asked for his views on same-sex marriage, which he opposes.

    “I am a Catholic and I take the teachings of the Catholic Church seriously,” he said.

    “Marriage is a sacrament and the decision of what is a sacrament lies with the Church not with Parliament.”

    The Church’s teachings on faith and morals were “authoritative”, he said, but he added it was not for him to judge others.

    However, he said he was completely opposed to abortion.

    “With same-sex marriage, that is something that people are doing for themselves,” he said.

    “With abortion, it is something that is done to the unborn child. That is different.”

    Asked whether his opposition applied in cases of pregnancies resulting from rape or incest, he replied: “I’m afraid so.”

  35. Mogg has a characteristic which, from the point of view of “right thinking people”, permanently bars him from any position of power in this country.

    Integrity.

  36. Before the EU referendum members of my Meeting had a discussion on the vote. We concluded that there were goods and bads about EU membership, but we generally found on balance that there was greater freedom of decision-making by being outside the EU – even if we were to decide to do the same things the EU decided to do, it would be us making those decisions, us choosing to co-operate with our neighbours, not being bound to them.

    After all, we supported and support self-determination for other peoples, why not for ourselves? A lot of the pro-remain arguments could have been lifted wholesale from pro-Empire arguments a century ago. “Ooo, the poor little brown people need to be held in the friendly embrace of the Mother Country so they don’t end up eating each other. And while we’re at it, we’ll extract their raw materials to keep our economy going. Oh, it’s just an unfortunate side effect that means they won’t be able to build their economy to compete against us. We need all their nurses to stop our healthcare system collapsing! What, that results in their health care system collapsing?”

    But an overwhelming concern was the general public view was that considering voting Leave was tantamount to supporting racists and xenophobes, and the entire campaign was each side shouting lies at the other.

  37. @BraveFart

    From the same piece: “With the gay abandon of somebody unburdened by understanding….”

    Delicious.

  38. The increasingly odious spud should do what he keeps on promising and fuck of to europe . Of course i doubt any respectable university would have him – though they must have some third rate technical colleges in dire need of jumping on the eu gravy train. Perhaps his gang of cretinous sycophants can then join him.

  39. ‘He is an earnestly serious politician intent on advancing his views, which are utterly alien to those of most people in the UK.’

    An election would in fact determine if his views were alien to most.

    It’s called “democracy.” Which the Left is seriously against.

  40. @dearieme Don’t talk shit. What are the prick in Rome’s views on ‘climate change’ and what are Mogg’s? If they are even close. I’ll buy you a farm on Oxford St. Talk about strawmen.

  41. Gamecock; “An election would in fact determine if his views were alien to most”

    Lol, exactly. Hoe does Murphy think he got there in the first place. I guess he is saying that he prefers selection on the basis of ideological purity (as decided by R. Murphy).

  42. It’s all very well to say that people shouldn’t be surprised by the headline “Catholic has Catholic views”, but the fact is that most secular Brits will be surprised that the toffee-nosed cunt thinks that raped women should be forced to have their rapist’s baby.

    Obviously, his fitness to be a legislator when he holds those views is a matter for the electorate, but his prospects for high office have happily, simply through a small dose of sunlight, taken a distinct turn for the worse. He is, in fact, happy to impose his ludicrous beliefs on others as he has stated previously that he take his whip from Rome, not the Tories, on matters “of this nature”. If an abortion-related vote came up in parliament, he’d be all over it with his papist views.

    Like May, this character has a superficial appeal but I am half glad, half sad that the country has had the benefit of a deeper view (sad, because he would have had them out of office – even against Corbyn – for a generation)

  43. “the fact is that most secular Brits will be surprised that the toffee-nosed cunt thinks that raped women should be forced to have their rapist’s baby.”

    Why would most “secular Brits” be surprised that a Catholic holds typical Catholic views? Are “secular Brits” a special category of idiot? Or are they just a figment of your imagination?

  44. Fatty- his views aren’t fatal to high office, his character is appealing because he’s agile enough to answer straight questions with straight answers and give concise explanations. But this isn’t enough. I would rather someone been in cabinet and had a chance to show their potential, even make a few mistakes, before taking the highest office.

  45. I heard that Brits love all the shit that the governing elite has foisted on them in recent years in complete contradiction of tradition, convention and their own beliefs. They just can’t get enough insane progressivism destroying all of the things they previously held dear. Good old Brits.

    That strong support is why people like you never bother to ask them what they actually think. You progressives know Brits better than they know themselves after all.

  46. @ Fatty
    If you would deign to read what Mr Rees Mogg said to his interrogator (“interviewer” would be a misnomer) you would learn that he does not seek to impose his personal upon others – unlike your goodself.

    You may wish in future to air your bigotry on a socialist blog where those of us who bother about truth are absent because we are either banned (as in the case of TRUK) or have chosen to avoid the torrents of mindless abuse hurled at anyone who speaks non-conforming truth.

  47. well, if you boys think he’s still in with a shout after that display, fair play to you. I think all but the most lunatic of Catholic women will think he’s a bellend, and most sensible men will too. He is, in fact, a bellend (so they will be right)

    He’s toast in my view. I doubt he’ll ever get near the cabinet. Keep frotting yourself over the prospect though, if that’s what does it for you

  48. “dearieme – I’m impressed with the consistency of your old-school papist-bashing”: I have the advantage of coming from a mixed family of Roman Catholics, Protestants and atheists. So I am not inclined to sentimental tosh about the Roman Catholic Church, having heard first-hand accounts of the misbehaviour of some of its members, none of which can be equalled by the Protestants and atheists in my family.

    As for the Pope: his claim to infallibility deserves much more derision than it receives. It’s hard to know whether it’s essentially pagan or just sui generis bonkers.No wonder intelligent Roman Catholics in the 19th century were appalled by the formalisation of the claim.

    If a chap like Rees-Mogg accepts all this stuff and nonsense then surely it’s perfectly fair to assume that if the Pope rolls over so would Rees-Mogg? Otherwise he’s not much of a Roman Catholic, is he?

  49. “He is, in fact, a bellend (so they will be right)

    He’s toast in my view. I doubt he’ll ever get near the cabinet.”

    You sound worried.

    Good that elected politicians are elected rather than being chosen by you.

  50. I’m not worried at all. I’ll put money on him not getting into cabinet if you like.

    He does impose his views on others – he is a legislator who takes his whip from Rome, as he said himself, and he has damaged himself and his party with the latest statements, no matter how much you blub to the contrary.

    Oh, and I’ll say what I want where I want thanks – and there is nothing at all that you can do about it

  51. I could be wrong on this but as far as I’m aware the usual votes on abortion age and reason and so on are unwhipped, that is that there is in fact no party line on it at all.

  52. Fatty “Blah blah”

    He’s an elected politician. People voted him into office. Luckily we have a democracy.

  53. @dearieme

    As for the Pope: his claim to infallibility deserves much more derision than it receives

    Far be it from me, an ex-Catholic who despises the whole lot of them, to defend the Pope, but he actually rarely speaks ‘ex-cathedra’, i.e infallibly.

    IIRC there has been no such pronouncements on abortion, contraception or gay marriage. Indeed, it would be hard to find biblical precedents for such views, though the RC is not above making stuff up if it suits them and calling it ‘revelation’ or some such.

    Its all a bit murky, of course, but as far as I know the last ‘infallible’ statement was on the immaculate conception. Whist this is clearly bonkers, it is not a big issue in contemporary politics, I think you will agree.

  54. Fat Twatty, I’d be happy to take that money off you.

    As JR-M stated in his interview, both the Gay Marriage Bill and Abortion Bill are free votes in the HoC. I see no evidence from hearing JR-M speak or being interviewed that he would impose his beliefs on the electorate. Quite the opposite, in fact, he is one of the few politicians that is willing to serve the will of the people despite his personal beliefs rather than the bunch of spineless hypocritical toadies whose opinions change depending on how many votes are in for them.

  55. Integrity? Rees-Mogg? You’re shitting me, right?

    Roman Catholics are paedophiles and mass murderers. The fucker has the temerity to spread his filth on MSM like Anne Widdecombe’s aborted by-blow and you’re all seriously sticking up for him?

    It’s cunts like him that need their eyes burnt out from the inside.

    What in fuck’s name are people defending him for?

  56. Not n-Ice,

    Roman Catholics are paedophiles and mass murderers.

    What all of them? If so, there’s not a fag paper between them and the members of the Religion of Peace (ahem). I know who I’d rather live next door to.

  57. Ah yes, “blah blah”, because you’ve been nailed to the wall with your “points”. I’m sorry (actually, not really) to have been the one to burst your little Rees-Mogg dream bubble but he’s fucked himself up the ass with his little disclosure (I wonder how many Catholic rules THAT breaks).

    I never quite get the servility towards aristocrats and pseudo-aristocrats from the participants of this site. Rees-Mogg doesn’t reciprocate your affection, you know: he wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire unless there was a dollar in it for him.

    Henry, what stake do you have in mind? Obviously my side of the bet is going to be a bit difficult to collect before the nasty cunt actually pops his clogs, but still!

  58. Given the numbers of repeat abortions compared with the number of rapes, I strongly suspect that Fatty is as incapable of rational thought as Snippa

  59. Its all a bit murky, of course, but as far as I know the last ‘infallible’ statement was on the immaculate conception. Whist this is clearly bonkers, it is not a big issue in contemporary politics, I think you will agree.

    You’re right about the rare use of ‘infallible’ statements, almost entirely about the minutiae of Catholic doctrine. Many people confuse the ‘immaculate conception’ with virgin birth (an article of faith for most Christians, even though it probably arises from a mistranslation of a word that could equally mean ‘young woman’).

    Immaculate conception is the doctrine that Mary herself was conceived without ‘original sin’, and is of little interest to non-Catholics.

  60. “Rees-Mogg doesn’t reciprocate your affection, you know: he wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire unless there was a dollar in it for him.”

    Probably would you know. I knew his father vaguely, was at school with his sister and brother. If British society is as stratified as you say it is that’s probably enough.

  61. Bloke in Cyprus

    Could they be Arnald or ‘Lawrence from Guernsey’ under a new sobriquet? If so, Welcome back!

  62. “Ice”:

    “Roman Catholics are paedophiles and mass murderers. The fucker has the temerity to spread his filth on MSM like Anne Widdecombe’s aborted by-blow and you’re all seriously sticking up for him?
    It’s cunts like him that need their eyes burnt out from the inside.
    What in fuck’s name are people defending him for?”

    This is a balanced point of view that needs repeating

  63. Fat Twatty/Not n-Ice

    I’d love to engage you in a battle of wits but it is against my principles to go up against unarmed opponents.

  64. “What a horrible mind you have.”

    10 Not as horrible as you picturing it and then thinking why it’s horrible and actually quoting it again in case you’ve forgotten how horrible it was the first time you took your mental image of the horror:

    20 goto 10

  65. @Chris Miller

    Exactly so, and, as I said, quite bonkers and without, I believe, any shred of biblical support.

    When I was a practicing RC, I often wondered if they made up stuff like that, that you were supposed to believe, just to see how much they could get away with.

    As in ‘well, if they’ll believe in the immaculate conception, they’ll believe any old nonsense. They’ll also believe that contraception is bad, and in Global Warming, if we can get the pope to say it’.

  66. Ice–Fuck off and melt you leftist cunt. Start by putting the crimes of Catholicism up against the 150 million murdered by socialism–in the last 100 years– and then add in the crimes of your new RoP buddies.

    Fatfuck–Rees-Mog is worth a million of left-sucking shite like you. He speaks his mind and pisses on your cultural Marxist cant.

    As for bets–there is only one. If the West is going to wake up in time to get stuck into vermin like you and your allies.

    It will be close run. But the fact that you two cunts are on here spewing your venom about the chance of a Tory leader who isn’t controlled by cultural Marxist evil right from the start suggests you and your mates at leftcunt HQ are plenty worried.

  67. Knowing Me, Knowing Steve

    “Roman Catholics are paedophiles and mass murderers”

    I knew there was something off about Delia Smith.

  68. Mr Ecks, We can play Top Trumps all day, but I’ll think you’ll find that after a cumulative death count, religious fundamentalism, as displayed in big letters by Rees-Mogg, spuffs all over any of the econo-social engineering projects.

    Do you think Rees-Mogg, or Tim here, weep for the love of God when they wake up sticky after their nocturnal emissions? All those potential lives trapped under a guilty foreskin.

    And it’s hardly ‘leftist’ to abhor followers of a paedophilic cult. After all: brown paedophiles = bad, white paedophiles = good.

  69. Ice–“you’ll find that after a cumulative death count, religious fundamentalism, as displayed in big letters by Rees-Mogg, spuffs all over any of the econo-social engineering projects.”

    Only if you count Socialism as an idiot religion which it certainly is. The combined tota butcheryl of the left and their new RoP allies leave Christianity miles behind.

    And of course most of the largest Xitian and RoP (eg mass murder of Hindus) crimes took place in past ages of near universal barbarism. While socialism has done its killing in the last 100 years, against the tide of (real) progress ushered in by individual freedom and markets. And the creed is all the more evil as a result. It is a death cult seeking a return to the poverty, want and misery of ages past. Whatever Utopian bullshit it peddles.

  70. How shit does a life have to be in order to leave you as pissed off as Mr Ecks?

    Mate, even if Rees-Mogg was made President of the World, you’d still be a profoundly unhappy failure. It won’t help you, you know. He doesn’t care about you. Oh, and I’m not a leftist on any compass except, perhaps, compared to the headbangers on here

    And Henry, it’s not a battle of wits (but well done for dragging that line out of the Home For Old Jokes – I haven’t heard it for about twenty five years, so I’ll bet you’re quite the dinner party guest), just a bet

  71. I think that what your views in are important in deciding whether you should hold political power, in a democracy.
    It is not discrimination for someone with extreme views to not be given political power.
    You have a right to freedom of speech and opinion, but not a right to political office.

    Up with Grennock Morton FC

  72. I do not hate Catholics. Catholics have been nice to me. But your religion is not an excuse for extreme views.
    I am against abortion expect in cases of rape,

  73. “There’s a certain mistake you’ve made there, to think that I am also a believing Catholic….”

    Fuck off, Tim, you make every value judgement based on the fact that you’re a successful white Roman Catholic. It’s in every phrase you publish.

  74. Mr Ecks, I can taste your tinned food and desperately amateur attempts at short-wave radio “continuity”, from fucking Mars.

    I’m pretty new here, but for the love of my village green, yours are the shittest attempts at trying to be patriotic I’ve come across since my shag with a bulldog ended with spunk foaming from Norman Tebbit’s wife’s twitching carcass.

    Those calories saved her. IIRC.

  75. Fuck off, Tim, you make every value judgement based on the fact that you’re a successful white Roman Catholic. It’s in every phrase you publish.

    !?!? I’ve been hanging round here for years on and off and never got any indication of Tim’s religious beliefs, if any. Where the hell did you get that from?

    I’m pretty new here

    Oh, I see. You read a couple of posts about this one issue and your head did the rest. I love that you threw the ‘white’ epithet in there too. Piss off.

  76. Ltw

    It’s no fault of mine that you can’t read.

    And I wasn’t using the word “white” as an epithet. European may be more accurate; there’s an obvious difference in doctrinal observance between ‘old’ RC population centres, and the more recently converted enclaves.

    It isn’t difficult to understand words and meanings, unless they’re words made up by the wonderfully crafted Mr Ecks. Hope that helps.

  77. Icedick/Fatfuck are leftist trolls. The “I’m no shade of leftist” is bog-standard astroturfing. Either that or Richard Dawkins is hanging around with some real cunts these days.

    An accusation of incomprehensibility from some fuckwit rambling about short-wave radio and fucking bulldogs is most entertaining. Try answering some of the points about socialism in between the witty bon mots. And as for my “profoundly unhappy” life –it has still left me on the side of the Angels –unlike two mongs standing up for murder and tyranny. Cos Lenin.Hitler, Pol Pot, Kim Il Whatever and Chavez just love the likes of you–compared to a monster like Mogg.

    Bash Mogg is the new ZaNu gambit–because a leader NOT rotten with MC/CM could be a big problem for leftist trash.

    This M Barnes is another with his “you can –fill in the blank between his ears–but only if you are MC/CM scum”. Cos well-off leftist extremism is the only kind allowed.

  78. Ice reminds me of the old joke. Visitor to village meets the headman who is the local doctor, organises the food, generally looks after the place. But everyone crosses the street to avoid him. Visitor asks “why don’t they acknowledge what you do for them?”

    “Well, you know, you fuck one pig…”

  79. I see, Ice, ‘white’ means ‘European’. You didn’t write that, but somehow I’m supposed to know what you meant?

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