Oooooh, excellent, so we get to ignore petitions now, do we?

Change.org allows advertisements by companies as long as they are “about public causes”, so they often take the form of petitions. The advertising revenue also allows them to “give the Change.org community an opportunity to provide grassroots support to a petition through promoted petitions”. If I understand this rightly, it means that if you offer them enough money, they’ll use email addresses gathered from genuine grassroots initiatives and will advertise Uber’s petition to as many of their 100 million users as you’d like them to.

Does it still make sense to talk about “public opinion”, a “public outcry” or the “grassroots” in a context where modes of political participation are manufactured as public relations exercises for companies seeking political and legislative advantage?

So, when Greenpeace, FotE, 38 Degrees and all the rest present us with an online petition we can just ignore them then?

That is good to know, thanks!

25 thoughts on “Oooooh, excellent, so we get to ignore petitions now, do we?”

  1. Signing Internet petitions (and I signed the Uber one) is the 21st century version of shouting at the telly. And about as effective,

  2. Don’t forget the petition against the Brexit vote, which was the biggest example of mass dishonesty and fraud in British history, yet the Left welcomed it.

    You’d have to travel a long way to meet anyone more cynical than the Left.

  3. Yes, the idea of the ‘public opinion’ and ‘society’ are just reifications: the don’t exist. You can ignore them ; take the word of intellectual power house and complete moral arbiter Margaret Thatcher who had a stupendous wartime degree in Chemistry so she should know! As she told Women’s Own in 1987: “And you know there’s no such thing as society .There are individual men and women and there are families …people must look after themselves”. So get out there and compete! Co-operation is just weakness!

  4. Margaret Thatcher told individuals toi accept responsibility, not to shrug it of by saying “Society” will do this for you.

  5. Well Reedy, considering that the gang that you love and support–ie socialist scum , have murdered 150 million individual people in the name of their fucking collective evil –Fatch was absolutely correct in her statement.

    And you are a very evil– if sanctimonious– creature. Sorry–but there it is.

  6. Change.org is a ‘for profit’ PR/Advertising corporation masquerading as a ‘peoples campaigning champion’.

    Their duplicity is obvious because they use a .org rather than a .com domain name.

    They harvest gullible users details (both organisers and signers of petitions) and sell them to spammers and scammers.

    I’d have nothing to do with them.

  7. Isn’t about 50k-125k the number of kneejerk signatures that a ‘progressive’ sounding petition can get from gormless snowflakes, these days?

  8. DBC reed, you’re a gormless moron and like all leftists, you leave out most of what she said because incidentally, nobody can disagree with it.

    Unless they’re gormless morons.

    Mr Ecks, 150m are the actual dead people. You leave out the even bigger number of people whose lives have been made much worse because of murdering lefties.

  9. Violet Elizabeth Reed, cherry picking to justify your own miserable existence? It really is all your own fault that you have got nowt..

    Margaret would beg to differ:
    I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand “I have a problem, it is the Government’s job to cope with it!” or “I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!” “I am homeless, the Government must house me!” and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation and it is, I think, one of the tragedies in which many of the benefits we give, which were meant to reassure people that if they were sick or ill there was a safety net and there was help, that many of the benefits which were meant to help people who were unfortunate—“It is all right. We joined together and we have these insurance schemes to look after it”. That was the objective, but somehow there are some people who have been manipulating the system and so some of those help and benefits that were meant to say to people: “All right, if you cannot get a job, you shall have a basic standard of living!” but when people come and say: “But what is the point of working? I can get as much on the dole!” You say: “Look” It is not from the dole. It is your neighbour who is supplying it and if you can earn your own living then really you have a duty to do it and you will feel very much better!”

  10. @Reed

    “Yes, the idea of the ‘public opinion’ and ‘society’ are just reifications: the don’t exist. You can ignore them ; take the word of intellectual power house and complete moral arbiter Margaret Thatcher who had a stupendous wartime degree in Chemistry so she should know! As she told Women’s Own in 1987: “And you know there’s no such thing as society .There are individual men and women and there are families …people must look after themselves”. So get out there and compete! Co-operation is just weakness!”

    It’s a bit rich, you mocking other people’s intelligence, but can I just point out your sly little elision in your last couple of sentences?

    ‘People looking after themselves’ in no way means competition over co-operation: even in your recontextualised quote it’s clear that Thatcher meant people *as opposed to government*, not those people at no 23 stealing bread from those folks at no 25.

  11. Politicians learned decades ago that the weight of the postbag of complaints is not the measure of what concerns the citizen. It’s always distorted by campaigns mounted by interest groups. That’s even more so now, when any issue of “concern” can be magnified by clicks on FB or whatever.

  12. Monoi–The full version of my rant is “murdered 150 million human beings and ruined the lives of hundreds of millions more” but I try to save on typing at times.

    Most on here will have read that often enough so I usually use the short version.

  13. Her Divine Thatchness was making the point that if we want to help other people, our first responsibility is – if we are able – to look after ourselves, to ensure we are not a burden to someone else. Then we can work to help others.

    It is both moral and logical. See also: airlines insisting passengers secure their own oxygen/lifejacket before helping their children.

    Of course, lefty morality is to lump all ‘care’ on the state, demand as much for oneself as possible and hope someone else pays for it. But, hey, they’re the good guys and Fatch is evil innit?

  14. I usually like to add, there’s no such thing as government, just individual cunts, sitting in offices, dreaming up ways of improving their own lives at the expense of other people’s.

  15. DBC Reed

    You ought to go into business – manufacturing Straw Men Between you and Murphy you’d corner the Market. Also, nothing about ‘Money Creation in the Modern economy’ – an intentional oversight?

  16. It does not do to be over critical of Thatcher: she was the product of her circumstances and her own incapacity for independent thought. She was propelled into leading the Conservative Party when the plotters in Milk Street (Du Cann and Keith Joseph) succeeded in stabbing Heath in the back (for persisting with old fashioned ideas like alleviating poverty by raising demand) but could not take over the leadership themselves because King of Smarm Du Cann was innocently caught up in the Secondary Bank Crisis and accused of incompetence for extending a multi million pound loan without security; a slip-up we’ve all made surely? Keith Joseph’s fix was a bit more serious politically because he gave a speech in Edgbaston in 1974 in which dispensed with Economics by saying the Brit population consisted of a morally righteous group who sorted out their own families’ health, education and everything else without bothering society and a lumpen mass that had to be supported by bread and circuses.For this latter group he proposed a eugenic solution of a fascist nature. Unfortunately this put paid to his ambitions and Margaret Thatcher was the only person left who believed in any of this stuff.
    She succeeded in the long run in exalting the morally righteous group of homeowners to remarkable heights of house price inflation which has left the housing market in ruins according to Sayid Javid’s Housing White Paper and has ruined the British economy through depleting demand in ways indicated by Henry George, Adam Smith, JS Mill etc and other Bolshy, Communist, anarchist hippies (with Arts degrees).

  17. All that time with St. Tony in power and he still couldn’t work the miracle to put everything Fatcher did wrong to rights.

    Lordy, she must have put one hell of a fix in the works if the aforementioned and the gold-wasting Scotsman couldn’t hack it.

    And she was only there by accident…. Like Gordy I s’pose and our Zapatero (he was an accident and our current fun in Catalonia started with him).

  18. DBC Reed happily chooses a Daily Mirror smear in preference to the facts. Well, what do you expect? Mirror later admitted that it had made up its headline.

  19. Violet Elizabeth Reed: Nope, not convinced. Just get over it, your current circumstances ARE a result of your own life choices. Mrs. Thatcher is not to blame.

  20. On the bran flakes again Reedy? It’s a shame they don’t make brain flakes to up your IQ and we might not to waste precious life refuting the dire and malicious lying twaddle spewed by dire and malicious leftist pukes like you.

    Although I suspect evil far outweighs stupid in your make up.

    “It does not do to be over critical of Thatcher: she was the product of her circumstances and her own incapacity for independent thought.”

    Sez the prime leftist stooge who thinks the 1950s UK-style were the highwater mark of humanity.

    ” She was propelled into leading the Conservative Party when the plotters in Milk Street (Du Cann and Keith Joseph) succeeded in stabbing Heath in the back (for persisting with old fashioned ideas like alleviating poverty by raising demand)”

    Heath was one of vilest and scummiest traitors ever to befoul this nation. We should be paying all possible religious groups ( the non-beardy ones at least) to pray 24/7/365 for his damnation- just on the slim chance that he hasn’t been damned already.

    Your economic theories–as with his–are leftist Keynsian shite.

    ” but could not take over the leadership themselves because King of Smarm Du Cann was innocently caught up in the Secondary Bank Crisis and accused of incompetence for extending a multi million pound loan without security; a slip-up we’ve all made surely?”

    Legions of fucking leftists have. Not to mention those–like Mandelslime–who have benefitted handily from just such.

    ” Keith Joseph’s fix was a bit more serious politically because he gave a speech in Edgbaston in 1974 in which dispensed with Economics by saying the Brit population consisted of a morally righteous group who sorted out their own families’ health, education and everything else without bothering society and a lumpen mass that had to be supported by bread and circuses.”

    So Keith Joseph said that did he? Why couldn’t he have done something moral as have you lefty lads? Something like 150 MILLION FUCKING MURDERS instead of making nasty speeches.

    “For this latter group he proposed a eugenic solution of a fascist nature.”

    On the lines of your Eugenics loving leftie friends the Fabians you mean? And Geo Bernard Shaw that advocate of mass murder and giver of Hitler salutes on film ( only in “fun” lefty pukes assure us–good job he didn’t go to fancy dress party in Gestapo gear eh?).

    “Unfortunately this put paid to his ambitions and Margaret Thatcher was the only person left who believed in any of this stuff.”

    Apart from all those who voted her in and pissed on leftists like you. If anything she didn’t believe in “this stuff” enough.

    “She succeeded in the long run in exalting the morally righteous group of homeowners to remarkable heights of house price inflation which has left the housing market in ruins according to Sayid Javid’s Housing White Paper and has ruined the British economy through depleting demand in ways indicated by Henry George, Adam Smith, JS Mill etc and other Bolshy, Communist, anarchist hippies (with Arts degrees).”

    The state-created house price boom bullshit yet again Reedy?

    Well after your mate Corbog gets through with his “UK=Venezuela 2” 5-year plan nobody will be worried about house prices likely ever again.

    We might even have a mixed economy once more. As in put-through-a-mincer- and-then-liquidised mixed.

  21. We should be paying all possible religious groups ( the non-beardy ones at least) to pray 24/7/365 for his damnation- just on the slim chance that he hasn’t been damned already.

    What’s wrong with the Greek Orthodox Church? Or the Maronites?

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