Well, at some point they should be actually

Abortion should not be a crime, say Britain’s childbirth doctors

At some point at least between fertilisation and 21 years and 9 months I think we’re really all pretty certain that it should be a crime. It’s the where, or rather then when, that is the argument, isn’t it?

Advocates of changing that law say that, if it happened, it would be more symbolic than practical, however. It would not change current abortion practice under the Abortion Act 1967, such as the 24-week legal time limit or the need for two doctors to be satisfied that the termination was necessary on medical grounds or in the interests of a woman’s health.

RCOG council members, who represent the UK’s 11,500 specialists in maternity care and women’s health, strongly backed a motion which said: “The RCOG supports the removal of criminal sanctions associated with abortion in the UK.

“We believe the procedure should be subject to regulatory and professional standards, in line with other medical procedures, rather than criminal sanctions.

“Abortion services should be regulated. However, abortion – for women, doctors and other healthcare professionals – should be treated as a medical, rather than a criminal, issue.”

Well, yes, except we did that under the original abortion act, didn’t we? Made it from a criminal offence into something that was decided upon by the professional competence of doctors. Those two signatures. The result being the abortion mills and the signing off of blank permission pads. Hey, maybe that’s the right way to do it too but it’s not a good precedent for professional standards being much of a limitation, is it?

11 thoughts on “Well, at some point they should be actually”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    We believe the procedure should be subject to regulatory and professional standards, in line with other medical procedures, rather than criminal sanctions.

    I agree totally. If an adult patient comes in to a hospital and the doctor crushes his skull by inserting a metal bar into head and sucking the brain out, what is the punishment again?

  2. I think the only change that is responsible to advocate for- before the revolution comes- is to take it down to one doctor’s approval.

    Having two provides a shield for these scum. It should be one man’s responsibility to sign that death warrant (I’m only speaking in terms of the vacuumed baby, not the doctor of course).

    Anyway, if these fuckheads actually believed this, they’d be doing what I do, and donating to Project Prevention monthly.

  3. “Abortion services …. should be treated as a medical, rather than a criminal, issue.”

    This would imply that modern doctors believe there’s no material difference between a fetus and an appendix, mole or ingrowing toenail.

    That doesn’t inspire me to greater admiration of the quality of their seats of learning, somehow.

  4. Given that we have before sex contraception, during sex contraception and after sex contraception, the scale of demand for abortion baffles me. Can anyone enlighten?

  5. Peter Singer is one of the world’s leading moral philosophers and (even though I disagree with many of his conclusions) his book Practical Ethics is a highly accessible and worthwhile read. He argues with unimpeachable logic that, if we accept that abortion is permissible for reasons of simple social convenience, so is infanticide up to the age of 12 months (and probably three years) – the age at which infants form their first permanent memories.

  6. Solid Steve 2: Squirrels of The Patriots

    SMFS – +1

    Clownworld logic: let’s kill the equivalent of the population of Bournemouth every year because women’s rights, and import the equivalent of another Manchester every year, but largely comprising people who think women should have their clits chopped off and wear black bin bags and be murdered if they step outside without a male chaperone.

  7. ‘At some point at least between fertilisation and 21 years and 9 months’

    Abortion is one of the few cases where government must be arbitrary.

    ‘the 24-week legal time limit’

    24 is absolutely arbitrary. No case can be made for 24 over 23 or 25.

    Personally, I have no moral objection to killing a zygote. I have a moral objection to killing a full term fetus. Where to place the line between is the dilemma. 24 weeks seems a little late to me, but somebody has to pick a number somewhere.

    Being arbitrary, it is the source of perpetual debate.

  8. “No case can be made for 24 over 23 or 25.”

    Not so. Iirc, when 24 weeks was decided on, it was considered the absolute lowest point of viability for a baby to survive outside the womb. Modern medicine has basically moved this point back so that 24 weeks premature babies regularly survive as normal and healthy, and even a few 22 week premature babies survive as normal and healthy.

    To my mind it’s totally abhorrent that we can have a ward in a hospital where doctors and nurses are struggling (often successfully) to keep a premature baby alive, while in another ward in the same hospital doctors and nurses are ripping a baby a week older to bits in the womb for the sake of someone’s social convenience. Either life has a value, or it does not.

    Based on where medical science is at currently, this really means to have a limit similar to the 24 week limit’s original intentions, we should be looking at a 20 week limit at the latest.

    All this said, I’m also rather of the view that given how morally dubious (at best) abortion is, I’d just ban it outright, and tell people either keep your legs closed or go on the pill if you really don’t want kids.

  9. “All this said, I’m also rather of the view that given how morally dubious (at best) abortion is, I’d just ban it outright, and tell people either keep your legs closed or go on the pill if you really don’t want kids.”

    Oh gosh, what I wouldn’t give to see that health campaign poster.

    But yes- it dies feel like there’s a thousand better ways to achieve the same end than abortion. But women’s rights, innit?

  10. ‘Modern medicine has basically moved this point back so that 24 weeks premature babies regularly survive as normal and healthy, and even a few 22 week premature babies survive as normal and healthy.’

    So, not arbitrary at conception. But arbitrary now – no case can be made for 24 over 23 or 25.

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