Well, you know, maybe she’s right?

So much for Ivanka Trump as America’s moderate savior. The favored first daughter – who wants her name to be synonymous with women’s equality at work – has failed again and again to provide a measured influence on her father’s obsessive rollback of women’s rights. Her presence in the White House, a polished false promise, has done almost nothing to protect the most vulnerable victims of Trump’s policies.

This week, for example, the Trump administration decided to do away with a policy that would have mandated employers document their workers’ pay alongside gender and race information and provide it to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

The idea is that requiring this kind of accountability from employers will help to narrow the wage gap. Tracy Sturdivant, executive director of Make It Work, called the administration’s decision “an unacceptable and deliberate attack on women in the workplace, especially black and Hispanic women”.

Given Ivanka’s “Women Who Work” campaign and her repeated claim that she wants to level the playing field for women’s wages, you would think the businesswoman would have rallied support to keep the policy in place – or at the very least disagreed with her father’s decision. (“Where I disagree with my father, he knows it and I express myself with total candor,” she once told Gayle King on CBS.)

Instead, Ivanka supported her father’s move, releasing a flat statement that claimed while “the intention was good … the proposed policy would not yield the intended results”. Watch out, Gloria Steinem!

For what this will record is the raw gender pay gap. Which isn’t actually all that useful. In fact, it’s positively not useful when in the hands of the harpies. They get to say “but look, women are paid less than men” when in fact the explanation for that gap today is very much more that mothers earn less than non-mothers, fathers more than non-fathers. The more I look at the figures (and I’ve not seen anyone test exactly this in the literature but someone should) the more I am coming to the view that this explains all of the observed gap.

That is, the gender pay gap is a result of discrimination among parents about primary child care and providing for children. There just isn’t any room left for any other causes like taste discrimination etc.

So, why give people a misleading stick with which to beat us all?

34 thoughts on “Well, you know, maybe she’s right?”

  1. “It’s time to stop hoping that anyone in the White House or the Trump family will be able to stop the president from destroying progress made or hurting the American people. It’s up to us.”

    By voting? You tried that. There’s not enough of you, despite the best efforts of the MSM & the universities.

  2. A side point about fathers earning more than non-fathers; I’m guessing cause and effect runs the other way than with mothers earning less than non-mothers?

    i.e. men who earn more have a better chance of becoming fathers (rather than blokes getting paid more simply by virtue of their having kids)?

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    I don’t know about anyone else but when I became a father it spurred me to go out and get career progression, leading to leaving the Army once that route got difficult. I know it sounds trite but the first time I held him some did happen in the brain.

  4. Bloke in North Dorset

    As an after thought, I wonder if there’s any sex bias, do fathers work harder if they have a daughter to protect?

  5. I don’t know about anyone else but when I became a father it spurred me to go out and get career progression, leading to leaving the Army once that route got difficult.

    I left regular service when child 2 arrived and balancing the “always on duty” expectation with the “nice to see my kids grow up” one just became too hard.

  6. I wanted to move to Switzerland anyway, but for a while put it off as impossible. The arrival of kids and taking sprog 1 to playgrounds and seeing what teenagers did in Holland (hang around playgrounds eating and throwing crisps and cheap own-brand energy drinks) put a bit of impetus into it – the whole “I’d rather my children not grow up here” was a fair motivator.

  7. @dearieme – would you have preferred “disgusting sugar and caffeine filled muck” so as to also include the A-brand stuff that their pocket money didn’t stretch to? :p

  8. Trump administration decided to do away with a policy that would have mandated employers document their workers’ pay alongside gender and race information

    Good.

  9. It’s also a “how much work you’ve worked” gap. If you’re 50 years old with ten years’ experience, yes, you are going to earn less than a 50-year-old with 30 years’ experience, whatever the reason is for having that 20-year gap.

  10. @jgh – reminds me obliquely of the old semi-joke about Germans and how their lives went:

    5-18 – school
    18-22 – undergrad
    22-24 – Postgrad
    24-29 – PhD
    29-34 – Postdoc
    34-55 – working in uni or some other public sector nonsense
    55-death – retirement, and they wonder why their pension system is (was) fooked……

  11. ‘her father’s obsessive rollback of women’s rights’

    We are going to get years of empty assertions like this, as the Democrat party’s propaganda wing (the legacy press) smears Trump. No facts needed nor wanted.

    It took about five years of this sheet to get the American people to turn against George W Bush. I don’t think they’ll get away with it this time. The people are getting wise to them, and there’s too much alternative media.

  12. With the Germans who do what I do, they’re almost all PhD’s. There is zero value add for a PhD in my line of work (unless you’re working almost exclusively in the subject-matter of your PhD), so they’re all just starting off 5+ years after the bulk of the rest of us.

    MEng for teh winz.

  13. “our obsessive interpreting of absolutely everything her father does as a rollback of women’s rights based on zero evidence other than our feelz’”

    Fixed that for her

  14. It is worth noting that the gender pay gap that exists (and has existed for some time) in Senator Elizabeth Warren’s (D-MA) offices has been documented more than once since she joined the Senate. That Jessica Valenti would choose to ignore that fact while zeroing in on the Trump Administration ending some rather pointless recordkeeping requirements tells you all you need to know about how seriously Valenti and her ilk take the gender pay gap issue.

    There’s more than a few reasons Donald Trump won 53% of the votes cast by white women, and the stock-in-trade hypocrisy of white women like Jessica Valenti (and Elizabeth Warren) has to be close to the most significant of them.

  15. It took about five years of this sheet to get the American people to turn against George W Bush.

    Bullshit.

    The Americans who voted for George W. Bush turned on him – as well as the Republican Party – because at every turn Bush and the GOP chose political expediency over their oft-expressed political principles.

    Bush repeatedly chose to increase government spending and entitlement programs, ignore regulatory reform, and dodge immigration reform. For it’s part, the GOP controlled House and Senate presented itself as little more than a slightly different set of hogs battling for a spot at the trough.

    The voters turned on Bush because when the rubber met the road, he chose to be more like Bill Clinton than Ronald Reagan. He lied to his constituency and he got punished for it. The media had nothing to do with that.

    The path to Donald Trump starts at the feet of George W. Bush.

  16. It’s hardly fair to pick on Elizabeth Warren re her staff’s compensation, when she herself is paid in beads and firewater – how can she be expected to understand paleface’s ‘money’?

  17. This week, for example, the Trump administration decided to do away with a policy that would have mandated employers document their workers’ pay alongside gender and race information and provide it to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

    The what? I hope this move is a precursor to closing the Lefty SJW commission.

    Meanwhile, here in UK, Lefty SJW May is pushing ahead with more burdens on employers. Ryanair’s O’Leary had a rant about her today: correctly told her to FO.

  18. I get the impression that Ivanka Trump is positioning herself for a presidential bid at some point. But then I thought Mrs May would have resigned by now, so my predictions are often, er, wrong…

  19. Has anyone looked at the gender pay ratio in a “fashion house” like the one run by Ivanka Kushner? I think it would be interesting.

  20. Has anyone looked at the gender pay ratio in a “fashion house” like the one run by Ivanka Kushner? I think it would be interesting.

    Sure, let’s all poke our noses into other people’s private affairs in the name of Social Justice. You sound just like Richard Murphy.

    You might want to think about that.

  21. @ Dennis
    Ivanka’s fashion house is likely to have average female pay much higher than average male pay, so her objections to compulsory publication of gender pay gaps might not be as altruistic as some people assume.

    In the UK the ONS publishes data on mean and median pay for men and women broken down between full-time and part-time jobs, private sector and public sector, hourly and weekly rates and the MSM regularly publishes lots of misleading data by carefully using items that the ONS says are non-comparable. It’s time someone pointed out that women are actually paid more, on average, than men when you include pensions, maternity leave and sick pay.

  22. @ Dennis
    I am not, and was not, advocating poking our noses into people’s private affairs *but* I was saying if SJWs want to make a fuss about gender-based pay comparisons thay should look at the firms which pay women a lot more than men as well as those which pay men more than women.

    In the UK what you pay your employees is no longer deemed to be your own business (“private affairs” in American). Every public company has to give a detailed analysis of the pay packages of every director; private companies merely have to report the pay of the highest-paid director and the total paid to directors as well as thenumber of employees and the total payroll so that anyone with a pocket calculator can calculate the ratio of mean director pay to mean employee pay. But that isn’t good enough for SJWs, they want more information so that they can find an excuse there is discrimination.

    If the same rules were applied to both categories there might be a lot less screaming about (largely fictional) pay inequalities and less pressure by women journalists to demand private information that they could misconstrue (or just lie about) to make a headline.

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