Hmm, well, yes, could be

A female medical student who began treatment to become a man has warned how encouraging children to undergo such procedures could create one of the “great medical blunders” of our time.

Kate, who spoke on condition of anonymity, had injected herself with hormones causing her voice to drop and her face to grow prominent hair. However, she later abandoned the treatment after deciding she was not transgender.

Explaining how she had been encouraged to undergo the treatment after visiting online forums, she warned that “great harm” could be caused by groups eager to coax parents and their children into believing a child struggling with their sex was simply born the wrong gender.

In an interview with Radio 4, Kate, who began her treatment in her early 20’s, said she believes that had her confusion over her sex happened today she could well have undergone treatment but later regretted it.

“I’m very concerned that if I was a teenager now or even younger that I or my parents would be pushed to consider me then as transgender,” she said. “I would have welcomed that at the time. I wanted to be a boy when I was younger because boys were allowed to be assertive and confident. A young person may now take hormones or have surgery and later regret it.

“By giving treatment to young children we may be perpetrating a great harm. And we might look back on this in 30 or 50 years and see it as one of the great medical blunders of the 21st Century. I don’t know. If someone had offered me that as a child. I would have taken it and I would have ended up regretting it.”

19 thoughts on “Hmm, well, yes, could be”

  1. Fuck all to do with being “a medical blunder”.

    It is what happens when the scum of cultural marxism infiltrate the MSM and most institutions to the extent that the vermin have.

    Purge and purge now.

  2. It’s no surprise at all that people are pushing for this. What will be more surprising is that so many doctors went along with it. I’m beginning to think Mengele was unfairly maligned, he’d have been held up as a pioneer these days.

  3. Hmmmm.

    Person who self-diagnoses through use of Internet forums and self-medicates through interne5 purchased hormones warns against those with similar doubts seeking professional qualified medical help? Really?

    Contrary to public belief, Gender Identity Clinics are not hotbeds of pill dispensing fanatics and those attending have regular sessions with therapists for periods in excess of a year for assessment before even being considered fo4 hormone treatment, and many have their doubts and issues worked out and never reach that point.

    The point to taken from this sad case would seem to be the opposite of that suggested.

  4. “Gender Identity Clinics are not hotbeds of pill dispensing fanatics and those attending have regular sessions with therapists for periods in excess of a year for assessment before even being considered fo4 hormone treatment, and many have their doubts and issues worked out and never reach that point.”

    I bet they don’t turn many away and tell them not to be daft though do they?

  5. Camille Paglia on the very rapid foundation of Woman’s Studies and Gender Studies departments:
    “Paglia says that early scholars in the field rejected the notion that biology played a role in shaping gender. “I couldn’t even have a conversation with any of these women. They were hysterical about the subject of biology. They knew nothing about hormones. I probably got in fist fights over this. People were so convinced that biology had nothing whatever to do with gender differences.””
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/10/18/camille-paglia-says-that-womens-and-gender-studies-departments-should-be-defunded/
    Most of the new discipline academics were poached from English Departments, hence the scientific rigour.

  6. Consulting with “therapists for periods in excess of a year for assessment before even being considered fo4 hormone treatment”

    You’d hope as much, for a life changing decision. But as Jim implies- if the tone of the meetings is “Right, let’s do this, but let’s talk first for a year” that’s a different proposition to “Why on earth do you think you’ll be happier as a man/woman?”. Are therapists methodically dissecting the individuals corcumstances and their proposed remedy and examining alternative explanations before making any decision? Whilst I’m sure good practice exists, I seriously doubt that people are really challenged. Simply because we don’t seriously challenge anyone anymore.

  7. “Are therapists methodically dissecting the individuals corcumstances and their proposed remedy and examining alternative explanations before making any decision? Whilst I’m sure good practice exists, I seriously doubt that people are really challenged. Simply because we don’t seriously challenge anyone anymore.”

    Indeed. Something tells me that a Gender Identity Clinic isn’t going to spend a great deal of effort trying to convince a person NOT to go through with some sort of gender change. After all, if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail………….

  8. You would be surprised.

    Remember James Caspian, the therapist who was recently refused permission to do a Master’s degree on those who regretted having surgery? Well he is, or was, a therapist at Transhealth in London and one of those conducting their assessments. I had to see him in his offices in Worthing 4 times over a year before the clinic would prescribe for me, and that was paying privately.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/psychotherapist-gender-assignment-surgery-reverse-research-stop-trans-bath-spa-university-james-a7965281.html

    Why privately? Because the average waiting list at one of the NHS GIC clinics is 3+ years, and that’s for the very first appointment with a thereapist. I got lucky and managed t9 get into the list for the clinic in Exeter, an 8 hour round trip from where I live after 18 months and – you guessed it – had to go through another year of assessments with one of their therapists before being seeing one of their doctors.

    The therapists are not a tick in the box, they serve an essential purposes in both assessing those they see and send8ng them elsewhere for treatment if their problems are not truly TG based, but also to filter out those who do need to be seen by what is a very small number of NHS specialists.

  9. You would hope they would all talks and discuss motivations but an article online, I can’t find it in my history but will look later, by a transexual who interviewed Parents and children being counselled has said that first meeting prescriptions of hormones is happening in the US. One harrowing story is told of a troubled teen who goes to college and comes back in hormones to transition to a man. It all goes horribly wrong. No one year talking. No alternative explanations sought for the unhappiness. Just activists pushing an agenda – men and women are equal and interchangeable and biology is irrelevant.

    Truly scary stuff.

    This link works I hope

    http://quillette.com/2017/10/06/misunderstanding-new-kind-gender-dysphoria/

  10. ” first meeting prescriptions of hormones is happening in the US.”

    At last, the NHS waiting list culture has a beneficial use. Its not that they refuse to turn you from a man into a woman, they just take forever to do it…….

  11. “Hi! I did my own do-it-yourself tattoo across my face with a rusty needle I picked up off the street, and then realised later I didn’t actually like being tattooed! If I had gone into a tattoo shop, they might not have talked me (or anyone else) out of having a face-tattoo, and disasters could result! So I propose we shut down all the tattoo shops just in case – THINK OF THE CHILDREN!! – and I didn’t just make up this implausible story about my own abject stupidity as part of any kind of anti-tattoo political campaign. Honest. Thank you for listening.”

  12. “After all, if you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail………….”

    Because specialists in a relatively new field have a strong incentive to over-diagnose and over-treat. And if they are publicly funded, they will spend their full budget to demonstrate ‘need’ and so prevent their budget being cut next year.

  13. Kids are being told about gender issues along with sex education so it’s hardly suprising that those who are confused about their sexuality latch onto the maybe I’m the wrong gender idea instead of just gay etc.
    No idea about UK but in Canada I know that teens can be prescribed hormone therapy within months of coming out not a year of therapy

  14. “Ah NiV returns in habitual unhinged mode.”

    Yes, well Tim keeps on poking at it, and you lot respond as expected.

    “Because specialists in a relatively new field have a strong incentive to over-diagnose and over-treat.”

    And rigid authoritarian sexually-conservative bigots have a tendency to assume anyone offering treatments they don’t approve of, don’t think they should offer at all, are “over-diagnosing”.

    It’s not a story about “specialists”. It’s about somebody who apparently couldn’t get treatment from a specialist because the queue for a consultation is so long, and the wait for treatment is so long. They instead got their advice from “internet forums” (like this one – no doubt similarly packed with people who don’t know what they’re talking about) and apparently self-medicated.

    There is a reason why the medics generally require a couple of years of counseling and pre-op experience before offering medical intervention.

    “And if they are publicly funded, they will spend their full budget to demonstrate ‘need’ and so prevent their budget being cut next year.”

    The injections are fast and cheap, compared to the counseling – if you want to inflate budgets and spin it out for longer, you’d insist on a lot more counseling than was really necessary. However, I really don’t think doctors are so short of business that they have to pad jobs. I think it’s about an 18 month waiting list.

    “Kids are being told about gender issues along with sex education so it’s hardly suprising that those who are confused about their sexuality latch onto the maybe I’m the wrong gender idea instead of just gay etc.”

    They’re told about being gay, too. So why don’t they latch on to the idea that they’re gay instead of just transgender?

    “No idea about UK but in Canada I know that teens can be prescribed hormone therapy within months of coming out not a year of therapy”

    As I understand it, Canada follows the WPATH7 guidelines. The requirement is to first pass a “hormone readiness assessment” to assess their symptoms, psychological state, and social conditions, and one of the criteria for passing it is “The adolescent has demonstrated a long-lasting and intense pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria (whether suppressed or expressed);” The assessment can take between two and six months, but you’re only going to pass straight away if you’ve already been consistently dysphoric for several years, at least. It’s also recognised that for only roughly 15-20% of children with dysphoria does it continue past puberty, so one of the other criteria is that puberty intensifies the dysphoria.

    They do take precautions.

    There’s also this bit.

    The criterion noted above for some types of genital surgeries – i.e., that patients engage in 12 continuous months of living in a gender role that is congruent with their gender identity – is based on expert clinical consensus that this experience provides ample opportunity for patients to experience and socially adjust in their desired gender role, before undergoing irreversible surgery.

    As noted in section VII, the social aspects of changing one’s gender role are usually challenging – often more so than the physical aspects. Changing gender role can have profound personal and social consequences, and the decision to do so should include an awareness of what the familial, interpersonal, educational, vocational, economic, and legal challenges are likely to be, so that people can function successfully in their gender role. Support from a qualified mental health professional and from peers can be invaluable in ensuring a successful gender role adaptation (Bockting, 2008).

    The duration of 12 months allows for a range of different life experiences and events that may occur throughout the year (e.g., family events, holidays, vacations, season-specific work or school experiences). During this time, patients should present consistently, on a day-to-day basis and across all settings of life, in their desired gender role. This includes coming out to partners, family, friends, and community members (e.g., at school, work, other settings).

    Health professionals should clearly document a patient’s experience in the gender role in the medical chart, including the start date of living full time for those who are preparing for genital surgery. In some situations, if needed, health professionals may request verification that this criterion has been fulfilled: They may communicate with individuals who have related to the patient in an identity-congruent gender role, or request documentation of a legal name and/or gender marker change, if applicable.

    You need to understand the detailed context of individual cases (which are generally covered by privacy restrictions) to understand whether cases of swift prescribing of puberty blocker or hormone therapy are appropriate. Don’t jump to assumptions about what’s going on. Satisfaction rates in early TS work ranged from 87% to 97%, and regrets appeared in only 1-1.5% of cases treated. It happens, but it’s not the norm. It’s a bad idea to restrict or refuse treatment to the 97% who will benefit because you read an article on the internet reporting one of the 1.5% cases of regret, that you uncritically accepted as ‘typical’ because that’s what you want to believe.

    Killing the 97% by abandoning them to misery and suicide to save the 1% who will come to regret it makes no sense. Ignoring a big risk on one side and emphasising a tiny one on the other is very common in partisans.

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