Interesting how this works

Wiki on transexual tells that much of the debate is about how we can find male brains in female bodies and vice versa. This is because spectrum of brain types, hormones in development etc, you’re a cis and sexist and no doubt even white, patriarchal capitalist to deny this.

Baron Cohen tells us that much of his debate is about how we can find male brains in female bodies and vice versa. This is because spectrum of brain types, hormones in development etc.

You’re a cis and sexist and no doubt even white, patriarchal capitalist to say this.

Fun how that works, isn’t it?

20 thoughts on “Interesting how this works”

  1. While a brain may have no physical sexual characteristics, have you checked the brain’s DNA to confirm that it has no biological sex?

  2. So a rewrite of MLK:
    To judge someone by the modelling of their brain rather than their more obvious attributes?
    Personally I thought second wave feminism saw off that one, that fields of employment should be open on the basis of individual ability and inclination. There is a huge overlap in the distribution of abilities despite some skills eg maths and language being statistically more prevalent in one or the other. Interestingly the most equal societies(Scandinavian) have seen a reversion to traditional division of labour by gender whereas talented females in patriarchal societies have headed for the prestige of STEM.
    Diagnosing the gender of a brain is of no advantage to society as long as talent is rewarded. Instead it opens the way to biological determinism, the very opposite.
    On the basis of my abilities I was encouraged to pursue physics; on the basis of my female inclination I chose medecine. I do not regret that choice.

  3. Gamecock –

    Brains have no sexual characteristics.

    That is to utterly miss the use of the term. Read the literature.

    The Baron-Cohen to whom Timmy refers is Simon, cousin of Sasha. He is one of the world’s top researchers, and in Britain the top researcher, into autism.

  4. “That is to utterly miss the use of the term. Read the literature.”

    NFW. You read it, then try to make a point.

  5. “Brains have no sexual characteristics.”

    Brains have a *mix* of sex-linked characteristics, some male-linked, and some female-linked.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468

    Sex/gender differences in the brain are of high social interest because their presence is typically assumed to prove that humans belong to two distinct categories not only in terms of their genitalia, and thus justify differential treatment of males and females. Here we show that, although there are sex/gender differences in brain and behavior, humans and human brains are comprised of unique “mosaics” of features, some more common in females compared with males, some more common in males compared with females, and some common in both females and males. Our results demonstrate that regardless of the cause of observed sex/gender differences in brain and behavior (nature or nurture), human brains cannot be categorized into two distinct classes: male brain/female brain.

    “Personally I thought second wave feminism saw off that one, that fields of employment should be open on the basis of individual ability and inclination. There is a huge overlap in the distribution of abilities despite some skills eg maths and language being statistically more prevalent in one or the other.”

    Yes, exactly.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    Our results demonstrate that regardless of the cause of observed sex/gender differences in brain and behavior (nature or nurture), human brains cannot be categorized into two distinct classes: male brain/female brain.

    So in other words they did not find male or female brains. They found a lot of noise out of which they drew a politically correct bullsh!t conclusion.

    However I have no doubt there are male and female brains. I also have little doubt that transsexuals do not have female or some component of female brains. They are simply deeply unhappy. Transsexuals continue to behave like unhappy men in poorly chosen frocks.

    As can be seen by their interest in crashing lesbian conventions to pick up easy chicks, and the viciousness with which they fight anyone who disagrees with them.

  7. So Much For Subtlety

    Here, analysis of MRIs of more than 1,400 human brains from four datasets reveals extensive overlap between the distributions of females and males for all gray matter, white matter, and connections assessed. Moreover, analyses of internal consistency reveal that brains with features that are consistently at one end of the “maleness-femaleness” continuum are rare.

    So there is no such thing as a male brain as far as an MRI is concerned.

  8. The main thing is that the cultural Marxists have got you on the back foot.
    What is obvious to the majority of the world, has got you all’ humming and hahing’.
    Only in the poor defeated west would they have trouble telling women from men.

  9. Here, analysis of measurements of more than 1,400 human body measurements from four datasets reveals extensive overlap between the distributions of females and males for all heights, weights and head sizes assessed.

    From which I assert that there are no typical male or female body sizes.

    I know I’m taking the piss, but there’s a lot more to it than that. Especially since MRI is itself a pretty inaccurate tool for these things.

  10. There is a vast overlap between the abilities of men and women, both physically and intellectually as well as the very obvious physical difference. Anyone who says that we are completely different is talking as much nonsense as anyonewho says that we are completely identical (except for that point).
    It is, however, obvious to anyone who *chooses* to look and think that men are, in general, better than women, in general, at weightlifting, digging ditches without power tools, unarmed combat against wild animals and mathematics.
    It is also obvious to anyone who *chooses* to think that it is perfectly possible for girls to want to play football or for boys to play with dolls (what else is/was “Action Man”) without ceasing to be a girl/boy.

  11. “However I have no doubt there are male and female brains. I also have little doubt that transsexuals do not have female or some component of female brains.”

    I have no doubt that you have no doubt. My question is, is your lack of doubt based on any evidence? Is it falsifiable? Or is it based on absolute faith, and irrefutable by any evidence whatsoever? (Anything that disagrees can be dismissed as “politically correct bullsh!t” and dismissed. Only evidence in support can be believed, and therefore no other conclusion is possible.)

    “So there is no such thing as a male brain as far as an MRI is concerned.”

    But there *is* such a thing as a “mostly male brain”.

    “he main thing is that the cultural Marxists have got you on the back foot.”

    The science has nothing to do with the cultural Marxists. They’re simply taking advantage of it, as they always do.

    Marxists seek out groups that society has new sympathy for, that they can rely on Conservative to kick up about. They did it with the poor (but the Marxists are not the poor). They did it with women (but most women are not Marxists). They did it with black people. They did it with the disabled. They did it with the environment; with baby polar bears and tree frogs and lakes and forests. But Nature is not Marxist.

    They argue that a group needs to be protected (a point most of society already agrees with), but that Evil Conservatives threaten them, and therefore they must be given authoritarian power to be able to regulate society and protect said group. They then snigger in glee as the Conservatives predictably attack the sympathy group, making themselves look like selfish bastards, proving to the world that the Marxists are right about the Right. And then they use that to justify seizing more power.

    It works every time, because Conservatives are blind and stupid, and don’t see what the Marxists are doing. All they see is that they’re being attacked, it’s something to do with the sympathy group, so they reflexively attack the group that the rest of society has sympathy for, thereby losing all sympathy for themselves. And then nobody cares if the Marxists stamp all over the Conservatives, because the Conservatives obviously deserve it.

    It’s depressing, really. But it’s evidently not going to change.

    “What is obvious to the majority of the world, has got you all’ humming and hahing’.”

    By “the majority of the world”, do you mean the Islamists and Africans? Because it’s certainly not the majority of the British you’re agreeing with.

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    NiV – “My question is, is your lack of doubt based on any evidence? Is it falsifiable?”

    People like you have put in a vast amount of work based on an absolute religious conviction. You have come up with nothing. If there was evidence of a genetic, or otherwise biological, or a brain structure explanation, you would have found it. You haven’t. So the chances are very good it does not exist.

    “But there *is* such a thing as a “mostly male brain”.”

    That is not what that study found. What they found is noise. Random differences. But in their ideological zeal they labelled some random effects with stupid labels. No more.

    “The science has nothing to do with the cultural Marxists. They’re simply taking advantage of it, as they always do.”

    There is no science here. Just Marxism.

  13. “You have come up with nothing. If there was evidence of a genetic, or otherwise biological, or a brain structure explanation, you would have found it. You haven’t.”

    ?!

    All of those have been found.

    “That is not what that study found. What they found is noise.”

    If it was noise, and unrelated to a person’s sex, then equal proportions of men and women would have each feature. But all the characteristics they identified occurred between 10 and 100 times more often in one sex than the other, which is beyond the bounds of plausible probability for the sample sizes used.

    With a sample size of 1400, the probability of getting a 10:1 difference is about 2.2E-16, That’s about one in five quadrillion. If you think that’s “noise”, you’re nuts.

    They are all factors caused by (or which cause, or have common cause with) a person’s sex.

    However, having only a 90-99% ‘success’ rate, it means that any given feature will have 1-10% of exceptions, and any one person will have 1-10% of features that are strongly linked to the other sex.

    It’s not complicated. Biological development is messy and imperfect.

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