It’s an interesting calculation, isn’t it? What price fame and fortune?

As she apparently attempted to escape from Harvey Weinstein’s suite at the Peninsula Beverly Hills Hotel in the Nineties, the actress Ashley Judd claims she told the mogul she would not touch him until she had won an Oscar in one of his films.

It was a joke, she said, but one that referred to Weinstein’s track record for propelling actresses to stardom. Fifteen have won the best actress Oscar for their role in one of his films and many more have won nominations that helped to launch their careers.

What’s the right price for sex? Fame and fortune?

I’m sure there are sellers at that price. Actually, we know there are sellers at much lower prices.

Not really sure what there is to be done about it really. Youth and beauty are indeed a currency. People do tend to spend on what they desire.

27 thoughts on “It’s an interesting calculation, isn’t it? What price fame and fortune?”

  1. “It was a joke, she said…”

    Sure, that’s what you do when you’re escaping the clutches of a predatory male, have a joke with them…

  2. OT.

    Tim, how about a piece on Richard Thaler – an explanation of his work, where he is right and where he is wrong.

  3. I’ve got to do one today. It’ll appear in a foreign language, so I’ll post up the English version here.

  4. Isn’t this just a marvelous and plain-sight example of the lefties circling the wagons around a sexual predator when he’s one of their tribe?

    Again?

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    Looks to me like he’s going to be thrown to the wolves.

    It’s a prisoners dilemma for those young actresses. If they they one will crack then they all will. So the real question they should be asking themselves is whether or not there is any solidarity in their profession.

  6. “it was a joke”. Sure.

    Winning Oscars is heavy for fame and fortune, but Harvey doesn’t see much of it. An actress with “Oscar winner” before her name commands much higher fees, but Harvey doesn’t see that. He creates a rich star and all he gets financially from her is a cheap actress (people do Oscar bait for low wages).

    Fact is there’s tens of thousands of pretty women who can act a bit. There’s the odd Judi Dench or Cate Blanchett who are rare talents, who can inhabit a character, but most aren’t. They can turn up, look pretty and read lines. They gave an Oscar to Julia Roberts for playing herself loudly. If you’re already paying nothing, how else do you decide who to gift a million dollar opportunity to?

  7. JuliaM: Sure, that’s what you do when you’re escaping the clutches of a predatory male, have a joke with them…
    I’ve cracked a joke with a guy trying to start a fight with me – distraction, diversion, establishing a human connection. It worked.

  8. Ashley Judd. A pretty woman who ruined her looks with various works of some sort. See also Melanie Griffiths, Meg Ryan, Nicole Kidman etc.

    Their faces should be compulsorily posted outside all cosmetic surgery practices as a warning.

  9. I’d be far more convinced by Judd’s revulsion had it come minutes after the encounter rather than years after the peak of her fame and she’s reduced to delivering incoherent, deranged rants at wimmins’ marches.

    Shame, because I always found her quite cute in a hamsterish sort of way.

  10. It’ s the old GBS line in response to “what kind of girl do you think I am?” ” We have already established that Madam. We are now merely negotiating on price “

  11. @JuliaM – I’m seeing non-lefties trying to throw him under the bus, whereas the lefty set are defending him as far as they feel they can within the framework they’ve created.

  12. When will Hillary throw him under the bus? He threw her birthday party in 2000 and GOK how much direct and indirect support. He and Bill have a lot in common.

  13. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke on M4 – “Winning Oscars is heavy for fame and fortune, but Harvey doesn’t see much of it. An actress with “Oscar winner” before her name commands much higher fees, but Harvey doesn’t see that.”

    You are seriously arguing that if a Hollywood producer produces an Oscar winner he does not get any benefit at all? No career boost in any way? He does not have a wall with fifteen Oscar wins framed and hung in order to impress guests and charge them a hell of a lot more?

    In the meantime winning an Oscar is almost a kiss of death for a female actress. Most of them barely work again or if they do, they do in much reduced fields.

    “There’s the odd Judi Dench or Cate Blanchett who are rare talents, who can inhabit a character, but most aren’t.”

    The idea of Weinstein doing Dench and getting her an Oscar …. well it is intriguing but perhaps I should leave that for Rocco.

  14. Tim Newman: “Shame, because I always found her quite cute in a hamsterish sort of way.”

    As the old song has it: “A pretty face can hide an evil mind”.

  15. So Much For Subtlety

    Mr Ecks – “As the old song has it: “A pretty face can hide an evil mind”.”

    Or as someone else might put it, a woman who is not under the authority of a man and getting regular sex to keep her in a good mood, will gradually go insane.

    Which is probably why the Guardian-reading spinsters like Islam so much. They know deep down they want and need to be kept under control.

  16. SMFS,

    “You are seriously arguing that if a Hollywood producer produces an Oscar winner he does not get any benefit at all? No career boost in any way? He does not have a wall with fifteen Oscar wins framed and hung in order to impress guests and charge them a hell of a lot more?”

    Certainly not. A Hollywood producer gets very rich if he makes an Oscar winning film. Very good ROI on that.

    But he can use one of thousands of actors to do it. Actors are very interchangeable. Most movies succeed because of the producers, director, screenwriting, cinematography, editing and production design. There are dozens of actresses that could have played the part that Gwyneth Paltrow did when she won an Oscar for Shakespeare in Love.

    And with Oscars, the acting nominees are often about the film nominees. There’s a machine driving certain films forward. The sort of racism/homophobia/disability stuff that Hollywood knows Academy members vote for, and which can be put out to fill empty cinemas in February. Really good performances get overlooked because they’re in blockbusters or comedies that have been and gone. The Oscars aren’t about those, but promoting new product.

  17. Bloke on M4

    Woody Allen has said exactly what you’re saying. You go to London to film a ‘British’ film: there are British actors in London; you don’t need the New York-based stars.

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke on M4 – “But he can use one of thousands of actors to do it. Actors are very interchangeable.”

    Are they? I would think it would be a brave producer who made a bet on that. The right actor – no matter how good or bad – can make or break a film.

    Bloke on M4 – “That’s just not true. It’s a large boost to earnings.”

    That site estimates a boost in earning for female stars. And maybe it is true. But what do they do after they have won an Oscar?

    What has Halle Berry been in lately? She was never a good actress and was only famous for showing a fairly mediocre pairs of breasts to Hugh Jackman – plus the X Men needed a Black-but-not-too-Black character. From that she got a Bond film and then the role that got her an Academy Award (because of lobbying to make sure one went to a Black actor). And then what? She is not making top class films any more. She is not even making B grade films.

    Kate Winslet won for a Holocaust film – exactly as she mocked earlier in her career. She is not even making films any more from what I can see.

    The Oscars do seem to be a curse for actresses. Partly, of course, because they come after a reasonable body of work and no one much is interested in women after 30. It is an exceptional woman (Meryl Streep for example) who can go on working after winning. Maybe she was doing something special to Weinstein?

  19. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    I’m bit confused.
    So did this Weinstein bloke get Judd the job on Blue Peter ?
    I thought it was Biddy Baxter.
    What did he do to Valerie Singleton?

  20. SMFS,

    “Are they? I would think it would be a brave producer who made a bet on that. The right actor – no matter how good or bad – can make or break a film.”

    The wrong actor can break a film, but a good one can’t make a bad script good. What they can do is turn a very good film into a great one.

    Some films are built with the actor and heavily committed to it (like everything Daniel Day-Lewis did), but a lot aren’t. Indiana Jones and Wolverine were supposed to be someone else but had scheduling conflicts. They picked other actors which worked out just fine. Most films are massive projects. What everyone sees is the stars, but they’re a tiny part of it and almost no-one holds up a production.

    “Kate Winslet won for a Holocaust film – exactly as she mocked earlier in her career. She is not even making films any more from what I can see.”

    13 films since then. 3 in production.

  21. Winslet was very good in the Steve Jobs film. Even with modern cinemas most unflattering hairdo since Javier Bardem tore a path across the Texas underworld.

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