Martin Luther’s responsible for Brexit

Indeed, just when so many of the habits and manifestations of English Protestantism have continued to slip gently towards an ecumenical multicultural oblivion, Henry VIII’s legacy has summoned itself for one final and contrarian outburst of the exceptionalist tradition. It has dumped us with Brexit.

It used to be commonplace in England to believe that the Reformation had given this country a special advantage in the world. To the extent that this was ever true or arguable, it mostly evaporates when judged today against all the things that were done in the name of the Protestant state to heretics and protesters at home and in Ireland, and to nonbelievers elsewhere.

Bit of a stretch.

Although we could run that argument again and make it stick to an extent. Just replace the Papacy with “Brussels” for who should be the overall guide to our society, a power above those of mere temporal, democratic, rulers and we do have a certain vision of the EU, don’t we?

At which point we rather need a word to describe the modern ultramontaine really. Given how flat Belgium is what is the one that means “excessively in thrall to those from the marshes”?

27 thoughts on “Martin Luther’s responsible for Brexit”

  1. Strange how little note has been taken of that 500th anniversary. The parallels with another revolt against not only a transnational all-encumbering organisation but also a system of preferment and indulgence and entitlement for a ever-growing class of people who do little if anything productive.

  2. Another arrogant sack of London Bubble shite.

    I believe in free speech –but I still want this Kettle POS to get a lovely T&S charge.

    Just to see the look on his arrogant mug when the coppers arrest him at a nice literary lunch and drag the fucker out to the Maria.

  3. And of course if he is responsible for Brexit then another reason to be grateful to Mr Luther and his 95 theses.

    That leftist shite like the CoE hierarchy have seemingly forgotten him is no surprise.

  4. @ bella

    Ultrapaludine = Brexit

    Wouldn’t intrapaludine, or infrapaludine for the serious EUphobe, fit better?

  5. You’re assuming that the CofE’s self-removal from communion with Rome had anything to do with theology, as opposed to Henry’s problems in producing an heir.

    And, palustrine, shurely? Paludina are pond snails, which I’m sure the euroseptics will also appreciate.

  6. “You’re assuming that the CofE’s self-removal from communion with Rome had anything to do with theology, as opposed to Henry’s problems in producing an heir. ”

    Who cares? We got rid of a tinpot tyrannical hierarchy.

    And yes–Henry was still a tyrant just as the Westmonster scum still think they are God even w’out the ESpew. But Henry’s heirs were on their way to having their beards clipped. Just as the UK’s own scum are next in the sights once we are free of the Eurotrash.

  7. The author notes Protestant mistreatment of heretics and protesters. He omits to mention Bloody Mary, the Saint Bartholomew day massacre, the Spanish Inquisition or the thirty years war.
    If that’s what Europhiles want to associate with thank God we’re getting out.

  8. it mostly evaporates when judged today against all the things that were done in the name of the Protestant state to heretics and protesters at home and in Ireland, and to nonbelievers elsewhere.

    Yawn, so what. SOP for the time. Catholics, Protestants, the whole fucking lot were at it. But it is also SOP at the Guardian to point to the past acts of their enemies in isolation and lie through omission of the context in which those acts occured.

  9. And of course whatever Protestantism did it pales into amateurishness compared to the regimes the Guardian has swooned over for the past century, so FUCK OFF.

    Yeah, whatabouttery and all that but I don’t care. Fucking hypocritical bastards.

  10. Wandering off topic slightly, this reminds me that there is a third option to dealing with Islam: join, split, then declare all the others apostate and therefore legitimate targets. It worked for big ‘Enry.

  11. “Protestantism did it pales into amateurishness compared to the regimes the Guardian has swooned over for the past century”

    What’s a few hundred millions deaths? And anyway, it wasn’t real socialism.

  12. BiG-
    “You’re assuming that the CofE’s self-removal from communion with Rome had anything to do with theology, as opposed to Henry’s problems in producing an heir.”

    Agree but in one sense the guy was right. When religion and politics were exactly the same thing, Henry was saying the king is in charge of his realm, and that what Brexit is too (substitute king for the queen-in-parliament).

    The wider reformation was important in that it gave not-yet-a-great-power England allies

  13. It takes a work class ignoramus to decide Catholicism is European and Protestantism is English …… the 30 years war must have revolved around whether to watch Strictly or X factor

  14. The wider reformation was important in that it gave not-yet-a-great-power England allies

    Allies in Europe; an arena in which we continued to have a web of alliances and connections until the wanker vote decided we now decide our foreign and trade Policy ion the grounds of what the sun readers and the senile think .

    Personally I feel this is not a good idea

  15. NewrRemainiac: We still have lots of allies you Facepainting Fuckwit. All the people of Europe who don’t want your jumped up wannabe master-of-the-world Euro-Trash pals lording it over them.

    We have even better allies out East. Those nations who have had a taste of beardie goodness and want no more.

    We should form a new alliance with them. Based on real free trade and free markets and the wish to oppose cultural genocide and destroy the arrogant overweening corporate socialist shithole that is the EU.

    I personally feel that traitors like you should be hanged Facepainter –but as a man of reason I don’t allow feelz to rule.

    You certainly deserve a T& S –and were this a declared rather than an undeclared war you would get such a charge for you repeatedly have done your pathetic best to undermine your nation and give aid and comfort to our enemies.

  16. If the country has any allies it is not thanks to the grand alliance of retired, unemployed, and plain fucking stupid who decided we want to be poor

  17. Violet Elizabeth Newremaniac, when your mate Jezza gets into No.10 all your wet dreams will come true. For then we surely shall all be dirt poor.

  18. Bloke in Costa Rica

    I wonder if the ignoramus who wrote this has ever heard of the Peace of Augsburg. A religion prevailing under State sanction in a region is hardly a new idea, but this was the treaty that explicitly codified the distinction between Lutheranism and Catholicism, which was further extended in the Treaty of Westphalia. But I’m just a lowly software engineer who paid attention in history lessons, not a Very Important Grauniad scribe.

  19. Henry–The Facepainter will shit himself if Corbog gets in.

    Note that he never answered my question about whether he would vote for Grandpa De’ath in order to fuck up Brexit– because he knows that Jezza will have his dirty fingernails in NewRemainiac’s prosperous hide from day one. Not to mention the Facepaint having to watch his present well-to-do status turn into a “Venezuela-UK PLEASE-HELP-ME!!! WILL WORK FOR FOOD” sign under Jizz and McNasty’s tender care.

  20. Very narrow view of the reformation in that article – but I suppose it’s foolish to expect a global or historically informed view from the guardian.

    Regarding the crimes of the middle ages etc. I always find it amusing to see people today take a morally superior view. Of course they don’t think people should be burned at the stake for heresy – that’s because they don’t believe in heresy. If they could genuinely imagine someone endangering the villagers’ eternal souls they might be slower to condemn.

    Not really a fan of burning people, but let’s at least try to view history fairly.

  21. On Luther himself, I once heard a talk on him where the speaker started by saying that ‘whoever you are, whatever you believe, Luther will have said something to offend you’. He’s fun.

    Some famous pastoral advice from the man himself:

    “Sometimes we must drink more, sport, recreate ourselves, and even sin a little to spite the devil, so that we leave him no place for troubling our consciences with trifles. We are conquered if we try too conscientiously not to sin at all. So when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to.”

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