On not getting the point

Google and other key mediators of information should have a responsibility to ensure that communities around the world are not flooded with foreign content,

The point of the internet rather being to gain access to the knowledge of the entire globe, no?

26 thoughts on “On not getting the point”

  1. She’s visiting Western websites and complaining they’re in western languages. She didn’t bother visiting Weibo to moan that it’s full of Chinese (Although she did mention Mandarin being widely spoken). I bet she looks at her Facebook feed and bemoans the fact it’s full of white middle-class people too.

    That people in Sub-Saharan Africa would obviously rather consume that contribute to content the internet is completely lost on her.

    Whose Knowledge? is a global, multilingual campaign that works with these groups and beyond, to centre the histories and knowledge of the majority of the world that is underrepresented on the internet. For instance, in 2016 when we began, we worked with scholars from the Kumeyaay Native American community of southern California, on the Wikipedia article about the ​California gold rush, to reflect its deeply negative impact on Native American communities.

    White Man’s Burden.

  2. Er…isn’t (wasn’t) Guardian America supposed to be the go-to for left leaning Yanks? Or is the US somehow not forrin’?

  3. We’ve been here before: in France, radio must play 40% French music. As a result of this subsidy, French music is globally renowned; just as your Austin Allegro was the envy of the world in the 1970s.

    > For a Nigerian woman going online, there are hardly any ​Wikipedia biographies of the women she reads about in a national newspaper.

    Wikipedia is famously edited almost entirely by volunteers. if there isn’t enough Nigerian or Bengali content, it’s because Nigerians and Bengals aren’t volunteering their time. It’s almost as if they have less free time to volunteer in the first place, what with most of them living in poor countries.

  4. @DJ – that would explain why wikipedia is full of nonsense. They might as well replace all history with ‘the white man done it and ran away’.

    Or ‘the white man done it and then stayed to oppress us with his consumer durables’ where applicable.

  5. Solid Steve 2: Squirrels of The Patriots

    We’re all connected now, so why is the internet so white and western?

    This is the thanks we get for inventing computers, web browsers, and telecommunication networks.

    France alone produces 5.7 times more GitHub commits and 3.4 times more domain registrations than all the sub-Saharan countries. […] Research shows​ that the vast majority of content on Wikipedia written about most African countries is written by (primarily male) editors in Europe or North America.

    You could go a few different ways with this. Either women and blacks aren’t pulling their weight, or they’re just less interested in techy geekery, or claim it’s all a Terrible Injustice and imply there’s a racist white man conspiracy to oppress coders who live in Um Bongo adverts.

    Guess which way the Guardian went?

    For a Nigerian woman going online, there are hardly any ​Wikipedia biographies of the women she reads about in a national newspaper.

    Third World Problems.

    the internet should be challenging the biases of our physical world, not deepening them

    Citation needed.

    For instance, in 2016 when we began, we worked with scholars from the Kumeyaay Native American community of southern California, on the Wikipedia article about the ​California gold rush, to reflect its deeply negative impact on Native American communities.

    Wikipedia speak with forked tongue.

    In April, with our partners in Equality Labs, we held a Wikipedia editing session to include information about the 350 million people of India’s Dalit community, and wrote about inspirations like Grace Banu – the first transgender Dalit person to be admitted to an engineering college in Tamil Nadu.

    Future generations will speak of Christopher Columbus, Neil Armstrong, and Grace Banu – the first Dalit person to bravely go to a technical school while planning to chop off his penis.

    I can’t wait for the film. They should call it THE NOT QUITE RIGHT STUFF

    Mark Graham is professor of internet geography at the Oxford Internet Institute

    Where’s the B-Ark we were promised?

  6. Ever wondered if the people of these countries want the foreign content?

    To be honest I want to learn about particular things. Not western oriented but tend to be English language content readily available. I’ve no interest in the Dalit people and could not care any less about a particular transgender student attending a particular college – obviously of more interest to those in the same classes or using the same toilets but of no interest to me thousands of miles away.

  7. “…ensure that communities around the world are not flooded with foreign content…”

    For a moment I thought the Graun had come round to a sensible immigration policy…….

  8. For instance, in 2016 when we began, we worked with scholars from the Kumeyaay Native American community of southern California, on the Wikipedia article about the ​California gold rush, to reflect its deeply negative impact on Native American communities.

    Well, you can’t accuse them of being useless windbags with a record like that.

    professor of internet geography at the Oxford Internet Institute

    Lol. The Guardian seems to think this puffery will make people think he is an informed source, rather than your common or garden staring-eyed Lefty.

    Still, at least he isn’t a Professor of practice, so not the lowest of the low.

  9. In April, with our partners in Equality Labs, we held a Wikipedia editing session to include information about the 350 million people of India’s Dalit community, and wrote about inspirations like Grace Banu – the first transgender Dalit person to be admitted to an engineering college in Tamil Nadu

    We’ve been hunting around for a reason for a new Bank Holiday, and God has delivered.

    “We held a Wikipedia editing session”

    WOW. It’s amazing what people can do these days. When I was young so-called ‘scientists’ had labs to invent stuff and medicines and stuff, not one of those useless peasants ever updated a Wikipedia entry on some Indians. It just shows how far we have come.

  10. The proportion of authored content on the internet is very broadly in line with the proportion of the authors identity within the global population. 14% of Wiki articles that are French are produced by the 14% of the world internet users that are French, shock horror! (numbers made up)

  11. Bloke in North Dorset

    So, multiculturalism for me, whether I want it or not, but no multicultirism for thee, even if you want it.

    Aren’t those little brown people fortunate to have a whole Equality Laboratory, no doubt staffed by mostly whities, to tell them what they can and can’t do with the Internet.

  12. Bloke no Longer in Austria

    ” we worked with scholars from the Kumeyaay Native American community of southern California, on the Wikipedia article about the ​California gold rush, to reflect its deeply negative impact on Native American communities.”

    Judging by the Mark of Zorro, the Spaniards already had the place pretty sewn up well before then. Or is that not regarded as an accurate historical record ?

  13. “For a Nigerian woman going online, there are hardly any ​Wikipedia biographies of the women she reads about in a national newspaper. You might speak Mandarin, Bengali or Arabic, all of which are in the top 10 most spoken languages. But there are only ​52,000 articles in the Bengali Wikipedia (a language spoken by 237 million people), while the Dutch Wikipedia has ​nearly 2 million articles for a country whose language is spoken by 28 million people.”

    1. Is she actually reading about any women in the national newspaper?

    2. Sounds to me like these people are reading the *English* version of Wikipedia. Maybe because none of their co-languigists have bothered to get off their arses and put something on Wikipedia ‘from local sources’ or in any of those languages. Maybe because a lot of these people are still scrambling to stay alive and don’t have time to sit around writing wiki articles for free all day long.

    3. Wikipedia is a free community thing that any of them could work on if they have the time *and inclination* to do so.

    4. If they’re not working on their own versions maybe its because the people who know find the stuff done by the foreigners is still ‘good enough’ to be useful – even if its done by icky white people.

    So, prevent these people from having access to the ‘white world’ in order to . . . what? This is the same thing as the feminists complaining that there aren’t enough women *choosing* to do the work necessary to get the top jobs, therefore we must do something to force them to do so.

  14. On the BBC news they are doing the usual whiny lefty shroud waving about housing.

    They interview some unemployed child laden woman about how awful her life is what with accommodation food and everything else needed for life being provided free of charge by my taxes.

    “I’ve done nothing to deserve this” she says.

    Quite.

  15. People feeling under-represented on Wikipedia may find the following methodology useful:

    1) Apply arse to chair.

    2) Apply hands to keyboard.

    3) Apply mouse to SUBMIT button.

    Without these three, all else is hot air.

  16. “Mark Graham is professor of internet geography at the Oxford Internet Institute”

    Good Lord; that’s part of the proper Oxford University.

    That’s my donations cancelled then.

  17. So Much For Subtlety

    Bloke in North Dorset – “Aren’t those little brown people fortunate to have a whole Equality Laboratory, no doubt staffed by mostly whities, to tell them what they can and can’t do with the Internet.”

    More to the point aren’t people from utterly dysfunctional failed societies lucky that generous people from mostly functional advanced societies are willing to donate their free time to putting down the Wisdom of the Ages on the internet so that said people from utterly dysfunctional failed societies can learn from it?

    Without even asking for their bank account details.

    White computer geeks invent the internet and give the world Wikipedia. Nigerians discover the internet and give the world phishing attacks. Although admittedly they were probably Nigerian men. We should think about what Nigerian women have to offer when they get around to it and quake in fear.

  18. So Much For Subtlety

    We clearly need a different sort of internet. One that protects minority cultures from the corrosive effects of Westernisation.

    Technically this should be possible to do.

    I suggest we call it ApartNeit

  19. “Brown people should be kept in their little boxes and not exposed to the wider world”.

    Is that what she means?

    Cos I think that’s pretty abhorrent. And indeed racist.

  20. @abacab

    I once suggested exactly that to a BBC producer.

    Apparently cultural appropriation by whites was bad but cultural recognition and segregation ‘to protect lass established cultural norms’ was good.

    I was told it was because of the power dynamic, i.e. Darkie got none.

    She didn’t give an answer when I asked if ‘the power dynamic’ was a really just made up fairyland thing to allow people to complain about whatever they want whilst Mr Whitey pays for it all.

  21. For a Nigerian woman going online, there are hardly any ​Wikipedia biographies of the women she reads about in a national newspaper.

    Why would she only be interested in women’s biographies? Are Nigerian men prominent on Wikipedia.

    I speak, of course, as a man who inadvertently featured in a Nigerian newspaper and as of today lacks a Wikipedia page of my own.

  22. So Much For Subtlety

    Tim Newman – “I speak, of course, as a man who inadvertently featured in a Nigerian newspaper and as of today lacks a Wikipedia page of my own.”

    I think I know the article that got you mentioned in a Nigerian newspaper and I have to say that I think it deserves a Wikipedia page of its own.

  23. I think I know the article that got you mentioned in a Nigerian newspaper and I have to say that I think it deserves a Wikipedia page of its own.

    Yeah, this one. I am still proud of it, even though it got me fired from the project I was working on.

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