Safe, legal and rare

Abortion is the most common medical or surgical procedure in the UK: more than 200,000 women have one each year.

The underlying argument being made is that it’s legal, sure enough, but the State is spending enough on providing them for free.

The two being rather different things of course, that old positive and negative rights thing. That you can go do it is not quite the same as being able to insist that someone else do it nor pay for it.

18 thoughts on “Safe, legal and rare”

  1. “BPAS says that last year 158 women who had been referred for an NHS hospital termination due to complexities, gave up on their decision to have an abortion because they had been confronted with long distances to travel to a hospital that could carry out the procedure, and lengthy waiting times.

    I note the ‘complexities’ go unspecified…

    A further 20 women diagnosed with multiple health problems who wanted an abortion could not be allocated a place in hospital – and had to continue with their pregnancies and give birth, despite the threat to their health.”

    And why are they getting pregnant in the first place, if in such poor health? They can’t all be failures of birth control methods?

  2. I admit this is an area I find hard to form a definite opinion on and even harder to suggest my opinion counts for anything. It’s an area which should be left to an individual conscience.

    But even so. 8.7 million legal abortions in the UK since 1968.

  3. That you can go do it is not quite the same as being able to insist that someone else do it nor pay for it.

    This is so far lost on the pro-abortion crowd in America it’s beyond recovery. They think a reduction in state-funding to abortion clinics in line with voter preferences constitutes violence against women and is an assault on their God-given rights.

  4. Well, exactly. The “No NHS treatment for self-inflicted conditions” brigade need to realise that abortions should be the first thing to go.

  5. I think the joy expressed by the left about abortion is one of the defining factors in my utter hatred for them.

    Soulless bastards.

  6. So Much For Subtlety

    Andrew C – “It’s an area which should be left to an individual conscience.”

    If it is murder, why should it be left to an individual conscience? Any more than, say, someone who says that Africans are not properly human and so it is right to enslave them ought to be left to get on with it.

  7. I sneeze in 3s–Exactly so.

    Julia–“They can’t all be failures of birth control methods?”

    Number 1 cause is –and likely always will be– the uncaring of two turds who couldn’t wait to stick it in and wiggle it about and didn’t give a rat’s arse about consequences.

    8.7 million abortions. Even sans bc failures, medicine, rape cases etc that will be more –mostly white–kids dead than in the Holocaust itself.

    Does the fact those deaths were “wanted” make that alright?Or is it more that should be added to the left’s account.

  8. So Much For Subtlety

    Only in exceptional cases, if there is a grave risk to the woman’s life or severe foetal abnormality, are abortions legal beyond 24 weeks.

    That is funny. I can remember a time when all abortions were supposed to be only for exceptional cases if there was a grave risk to the woman’s life. Odd that innit?

    But one major provider of abortion services says women needing late abortions (between 19-24 weeks) are not always able to get them. …. “We think there are probably hundreds of women a year prevented from having an abortion, due to long waiting times and the distance to a hospital providing an abortion – or because it is simply not equipped to carry out a termination late in the pregnancy.”

    Notice she doesn’t mention anyone who wants one but is being denied one because there is no grave risk to their life. Odd that innit? It is almost as if the people who are religious in their belief about abortion will sign anything.

    These women’s stories are harrowing and desperate.

    A shame that nothing remotely harrowing or desperate is mentioned then.

    One woman became so ill that the baby was delivered at 26 weeks

    Ummmm …. in which circumstances would it have been better to kill this child?

    “When my generation goes, there will be very few people who have any experience in the field,” says professor Lesley Regan, the president of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.

    Don’t worry love – Hell will always have room for one more.

    Regan says the attrition rate is high and some junior doctors are choosing not to specialise in abortion services because of vilification from anti-abortionists, and sometimes even criticism from medical colleagues.

    Fancy that – some doctors don’t like killing babies. Makes me think better of the profession.

    And she’s aware of colleagues who might claim a conscientious objection to abortion, but actually simply don’t want to be involved in contentious work.

    Go figure. I love the way they play down the disgust most sensible people have at killing babies.

    He already carries out late-term abortions, but would like the capability to go to 24 weeks when necessary. … “We have to provide for the future,” he says.

    Irony? Scum either way.

    “The current shortage of surgeons is a sector-wide issue that we would like to see addressed by including abortion as part of the general training for new obstetricians and gynaecologists, as it has been previously.”

    So force anyone who wants to be an Ob-Gyn to murder babies? Revolting.

    “When you don’t have facilities for safe, high quality abortion care, girls and women die.”

    Although none could be identified for this story it seems.

  9. Where are the people from the FCO when they’re needed?
    Saying that …more than 200,000 women have [an abortion] each year… obviously risks offending trans-people.

  10. No particular problem with abortion as long as it’s before it’s a recognisable potential human.

    Once you have to get the macerating hoover onto them to break up the parts to get it out, I think things have gone too far.

    Mind you, I imagine it’s mostly daft middle class leftie women who have a few too many Chardonnay’s and shag a bit of rough that make up a substantial number of the abortion statistics.

    A Chav woman is not going to abort her future earnings is she?

  11. more than 200,000 women have one each year

    Busy, busy, busy!

    They must look forward to the season of hot flushes.

  12. Is it too much to ask if there is any data on the background and circumstances of the women, or is that too taboo?

  13. One of the very few things on which I find myself in total agreement with SMFS. Take this: “But one major provider of abortion services says women needing late abortions (between 19-24 weeks) are not always able to get them. …”

    “NEEDING”? Let’s say it as it is: Snowflake WANTING late abort in because her human rights etc. Christ alive; the pregnancy will have progressed enough by that stage for her to feel as well as know she is carrying another human being inside her.. and still the snowflake wants to talk of HER human rights.

  14. Abortion is the most common medical or surgical procedure in the UK: more than 200,000 women have one each year.

    Bullsh1t

    Cataract surgery is a procedure used to treat cataracts, where changes in the lens of the eye cause cloudy, blurry, or misty vision. It’s the most common operation performed in the UK, with more than 300,000 procedures carried out each year.

    Both Wisdom tooth removal under sedation and tooth removal under sedation are also higher. Tooth removal under LA is also higher. All three are surgical procedures.

    Finally, having a blood sample taken is an invasive medical procedure which is at least an order of magnitude greater.

  15. I love the moral judgements on here about potential humans and the like. Frankly it’s the woman’s body and she can do what she likes with it (or do we support the state controlling our bodies now?), and that includes abortion. My view – if the doctors think the baby viable, they get to do a c-section instead.

    The question is who pays for it? I think there may be case for government paying if we have a welfare state, as the cost is less than an unwanted child in the welfare system (and certainly an unwanted child in state care), but perhaps this should be means tested, or like the current IVF treatment, limited in options. It is something that needs to be debated though, and the idiocy of opinions on both sides (woman’s right versus unborn baby’s (theoretical) right) means that is difficult to do without someone trying to shout you down.

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