Slightly odd analysis here

South America’s macho culture, combined with the strong influence of the Catholic church, means it is a particularly difficult place to be a transgender woman like Salamanca. In the past eight years, 74% of all reported murders of trans people were in Central and South America, according to a 2016 report from Transgender Europe (TGEU). Due to violence, poverty and the risk of HIV, the life expectancy for trans women in Latin America is estimated at between 35 and 41 years.

Is it actually the trans bit that matters here?

But prejudices are hard to overcome. When she was attacked, Salamanca was working in the sex industry, where trans people are particularly vulnerable (65% of those murdered worldwide were sex workers, according to the TGEU report). Yet prostitution is one of only two jobs – along with hairdressing – available to most trans women in Colombia. Those who end up in sex work are mostly in Santa Fe, the notorious barrio on the eastern edge of Bogotá.

There’s rather a lot of weight on that idea that they can only get this job, isn’t there?

For streetwalker prostitution in one of the already most violent slums/barrios in the world is going to be a dangerous thing to be doing.

Thus being presented with the murder rate for trans-prossies doesn’t tell us much unless we also know the murder rate for prossies more generally.

20 thoughts on “Slightly odd analysis here”

  1. Bloke in North Dorset

    Its a sad story about sad people leading tough lives, but I’m always wary about the size of the problem when they only quote percentages. If its only a few people then its the wider problem of violence to street walkers that needs fixing, if its millions then its a problem in and of itself.

  2. I don’t know if one could attribute their murder rate solely to the “transgender” label. S. American hookers tend to be the some of the least trustworthy people on the planet. Comes of having very abbreviated mental horizons. They don’t really think about much more than the day that their in & have a very poor appreciation of consequences. And S.America in general is a very low trust society, with has its own consequences. My Colombiana friend’s brother got himself executed on the highway from Armenia a few months back. Couple of guys on a motorbike filled him full of holes. Reading between the lines, looks like he tried getting clever over some drug related skulduggery & wasn’t as clever as he thought he was. Entirely predictable, but only if your’re not Colombian.
    When it comes to the travestis, I’ve no reason to think they go on any differently from their sisters. Who can strain the most placid individual’s patience to the point of contemplating chicacide. But are not going to get any of the sort of free pass the girls enjoy since S. Americans in general are well behind the curve on third-wave feminism & alphabet soup studies.
    And, of course, there’s nothing in the article about how many of S. America’s trannies are offing each other. Entirely relevant when you’ve experienced how combative S. American female hookers can be.

  3. @Julia M

    The Patirarchy, obvs. Which includes the church. And actual women by this point (probably).

  4. “They don’t really think about much more than the day that their in & have a very poor appreciation of consequences.”

    Aah, the old “Mañana/Domani” attitude that is common in Mediterranean societies. Or low time-preference in Economics terms.

  5. The Guardian’s interest is in the destruction of South America’s macho culture and the Catholic church.

    Their interest in trannies? Just props for a story. Dear Salamanca thinks they actually care about h . . . uhh . . . whatever.

  6. Solid Steve 2: Squirrels of The Patriots

    I think the lesson here is… don’t become a transsexual prostitute, maybe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  7. Unless I missed something, these trannies have not been surgically altered.

    So what happens when a dude of the slums, no stranger to violence, hires a hooker, gets all hot and bothered and then finds a dick?

    Aye Caramba, that’s what.

  8. “So what happens when a dude of the slums, no stranger to violence, hires a hooker, gets all hot and bothered and then finds a dick?”

    I’ve heard of guys from the west, out in Thailand, finding a surprise in a ladyboy’s knickers. But I think that’s more a case of the guy being out of his depth. The trannie’s hit on him as a trannie. It’s him who’s gone along with him being a her because he hasn’t realised things like that could happen to him.
    But the scenario you paint’s a non starter. A tran convincing enough to pass is going to be way out of our hombre from the barrio’s price bracket. And he’s going to be streetwise & well wise to travestis in the first place

  9. Bloke in Costa Rica

    There used to be an area in downtown San José where the travestis hung out. Everyone who wasn’t completely wet behind the ears knew that if you absolutely had to go through there you rolled up the windows, locked the doors and did not slow down, otherwise half a dozen of them would go through your car in about ten seconds and nick anything that wasn’t bolted down. And Christ they were rough looking. Adam’s apples like they’d swallowed a coconut. How none of them ever got a 9mm in the face I’ll never know.

  10. “Is it actually the trans bit that matters here?”

    Why is “prostitution is one of only two jobs – along with hairdressing – available to most trans women in Colombia.” if the trans bit doesn’t matter? Is the same true of anyone else?

    What you need to know is whether the range of safe jobs that non-trans people can get employment in is the same as that for trans people, all other things held equal. If they’re not, then yes, it’s the trans bit that matters here.

  11. “If they’re not, then yes, it’s the trans bit that matters here.”

    Only if you give a shit about trannies. I don’t.

  12. What you need to know is whether the range of safe jobs that non-trans people can get employment in is the same as that for trans people…

    Yes, of course. It would be nice if Ms Lyons had bothered to inform us of that pertinent bit of information, wouldn’t it? Given that she is an agenda-driven writer for the Graun (but I repeat myself), I suspect that the missing information would not have fit the story she wanted to tell, so it was easier to omit it. The alternatives are that she either does not understand this, or is too innumerate to understand the statistics when available. Neither speak well of her or her employer

  13. So Much For Subtlety

    NiV – “What you need to know is whether the range of safe jobs that non-trans people can get employment in is the same as that for trans people, all other things held equal. If they’re not, then yes, it’s the trans bit that matters here.”

    Well no because transpeople aren’t all that normal. If you do not also keep the people the same, then there is another factor to look at.

    Take internationally renown human rights lawyer David Burgess, 63, a partner at his prestigious law firm. He chose to work as a transsexual prostitute. Until another transvestite chose to push him under a train:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324425/Transgender-lawyer-died-Tube-train-working-escort.html

    His problem was not discrimination that forced him into sex work.

  14. Solid Steve 2: Squirrels of The Patriots

    Take internationally renown human rights lawyer David Burgess, 63, a partner at his prestigious law firm. He chose to work as a transsexual prostitute.

    Maybe he secretly identified as a South American, and a macho Legion of Mary gang pelted him with fish fingers, or something.

  15. “Yes, of course. It would be nice if Ms Lyons had bothered to inform us of that pertinent bit of information, wouldn’t it?”

    I suspect she thought it was obvious. I mean, the only two jobs *anyone* in Colombia do are hairdressing and sex work. Everyone knows that. [rolls eyes]

    “Well no because transpeople aren’t all that normal.”

    Nobody is “normal”. There’s something unusual about everyone.

    “His problem was not discrimination that forced him into sex work.”

    True.

    Your sample size is 1, is from a different population, and I suspect it of being non-uniformly selected.

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