So not just cis-hetero males then?

Kevin Spacey has responded to allegations he made unwelcome sexual advances towards a 14-year-old actor, saying he did not remember the incident but if it did happen it was likely “deeply inappropriate drunken behaviour” for which he sincerely apologises.

The Star Trek: Discovery star Anthony Rapp has accused Spacey of traumatising him after a party in New York in 1986.

In an interview with BuzzFeed, Rapp alleged that Spacey, then 26, invited him and a 17-year-old friend to a nightclub, despite both being visibly underage, during which they were entertained in the VIP area by Spacey.

Rapp said Spacey then followed up with an invitation to a party at his Manhattan apartment, which Rapp attended.

Rapp said he spent much of the party “kind of bored” and watching television in the bedroom until late into the night, before noticing Spacey standing at the bedroom door and realising all the other guests had left the party.

He said Spacey “sort of stood in the doorway, kind of swaying. My impression when he came in the room was that he was drunk … He picked me up like a groom picks up the bride over the threshold. But I don’t, like, squirm away initially, because I’m like, ‘What’s going on?’ And then he lays down on top of me.”

Rapp described the experience as “a frozen moment … In terms of fight or flight or freeze, I tend to freeze.”

Rapp said he believed Spacey was trying to “seduce” him but that he was able to “squirm” away soon afterwards, closing himself in the bathroom before telling Spacey he was leaving. “As I opened the door to leave, he was leaning on the front door[frame]. And he was like, ‘Are you sure you wanna go?’ I said, ‘Yes, good night,’ and then I did leave,” Rapp said.

Drunk bloke tries to seduce someone, nothing happens.

Film at 11.

That’s one way to read it.

Another is attempted paedophilia, or at least ephebophilia, along with an actual real crime of underage in a nightclub (for whatever importance one ascribes to that).

Be interesting to see what happens here, won’t it? Does it fit the narrative of all men being aggressively Weinstein? Or give that the intended seductee was male, it doesn’t fit the narrative of women being those who suffer from it?

59 thoughts on “So not just cis-hetero males then?”

  1. It fits the narrative of all men being predators, even the “nice” ones.

    But since there’s nothing we can do to absolve our guilt, we might as well revel in it. We’re all evil bastards, muwahahaha!

  2. Why was he allowed out with the adults? Why was he put in harm’s way. Spacey behaved badly but where were the child’s parents?

  3. How about a narrative that it is narcissistic actors, media types and politicians that are predators. The rest of us, by and large, are not.

  4. Mildly sordid tale, but who among us doesn’t have something broadly similar?

    I’m not a bible basher, but “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” would seem kind of timely, especially given the probably sordid proclivities of those who are screeching loudest.

    Move along please.

  5. To tie both Alec’s & BiI’s comments together, but this about people with forms of power & most people are somewhat short on the P vitamin. Question is, does the acquisition of power make these sort of actions more likely?

  6. Has the idiot never even been in a car accident?

    Apologising is equal to accepting blame. And whatever Spacey’s proclivities if he can’t even remember such a caper why is the idiot apologising for it? It’s tantamount to a confession as far as the lawdogs are concerned.

    This “apology” fetish is out of control. “Fuck off you lying marxist shite” is the only kind of statement all of these chumps should be making.

    Do all these fools think that the entire planet is a Sargasso sea of SJW flotsam and scum?

  7. Sort of both on & off topic & tied to that “film at line”
    One of the women in our social circle was what I think they call a continuity announcer. She was the voice you heard on BBC2, between the programmes, telling you what was on later. Despite her performances rarely exceeding 30 seconds, apparently this called for not only a studio with the requisite sound engineers etc, but required both a dedicated scriptwriter & director. The lady in question was enthusiastically bi-sex & both the scriptwriter & director gay.
    Let’s just say media people don’t exactly form a representative demographic.

  8. Mate of mine tried to cop off with a 14 year once. He didn’t know she was 14 and he walked away as soon as he knew but he pointed her out and asked me to guess her age and I thought 18. Dark nightclub, dressed older etc.

    I’m not even sure why you need an age of consent for gays beyond puberty. We had it for straight sex because of pregnancy. Bad, long term effects.

  9. So Much For Subtlety

    And he was like, ‘Are you sure you wanna go?’ I said, ‘Yes, good night,’ and then I did leave,” Rapp said.

    I don’t know what the fuss is about. For the Gay community this seems quite civilised. Spacey tried it on, it did not work, he took the “no” without any fuss.

    Sure, the boy was under age but the question is whether KS knew it. He probably did – there is no clear dividing line between homosexuality and paedophilia.

    But then I suppose that drama queens need to drama.

  10. Philip Scott Thomas

    I’ve been listening to the Spacey story evolve over the last three hours on R4. There seems to be another narrative being developed there.

    Yes, it was a just a drunken fumble, nothing more, as Timmy suggested. Spacey is, of course, a luvvie of high standing, well respected in his field. So it wasn’t assault-assault, rather like what Polanski did wasn’t rape-rape. The atmosphere around all these accusations is getting too febrile and we all just need to calm down.

  11. I would have said this story should die where it is. However, in the wave of anti-hetero man hysteria, it wouldn’t die away if he was, say, a Conservative MP. So suffer Spacey.

  12. Bit like those ‘everyone from the 1970s was a paedo’ stories.

    You experience schadenfreude if you didn’t like them back then and are disappointed if they were a hero of yours.

    “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist. Or trying to bum a 14 year boy and getting away with it. I forget which” Roger ‘Verbal’ Kint.

  13. “Bloke on M4

    Mate of mine tried to cop off with a 14 year once. He didn’t know she was 14 and he walked away as soon as he knew but he pointed her out and asked me to guess her age and I thought 18. Dark nightclub, dressed older etc”

    Same thing happened to a friend of mine doing teacher training.

    “you don’t recognise me do you, Sir” the girl said.

    That gave him the clue. “He made his excuses and left”

  14. “the boy was under age but the question is whether KS knew it. He probably did”

    Gay male prostitutes aren’t called rent ‘boys’ for nothing.

  15. Just to go back to Tim’s original point, gays (especially white gays) are lumped in with the rest of us in da white patriarchy and its evil.

  16. Solid Steve 2: Squirrels of The Patriots

    This is why – God bless em – it’s criminally insane to entrust the care of boys to homosexual men.

    Like asking an alcoholic to guard your wine cellar.

  17. @SS5SotP

    That’s a large portion of the education system f**ked, then. Or not f**ked, as the case may be.

  18. Steve,

    > Like asking an alcoholic to guard your wine cellar.

    The trouble is, you want your sommelier to be someone knowledgeable about wines, someone who enjoys them, who can talk about them with passion. But you don’t want them to drink your Chateau Lafite begins your back.

    The education system we presently have seems ok in this respect. We let gays teach, but we don’t let them spend time with kids one-on-one, especially near hotel rooms.

    Boarding schools a special case: you really don’t want gays working there.

  19. While I agree with the general thrust of this (ooh-er), I find it rather cynical that Spacey has chosen *now* as the time to come out as gay:

    Rapp: “Hey, Spacey tried to bum me when I was 14
    Media: “Really? Okay, let’s take this seri…”
    Spacey: “Hey, I’m gay!”
    Media: *giggles with excitement*

  20. Solid Steve 2: Squirrels of The Patriots

    Andrew, BiS – Yarp.

    I reckon the risk of a gay Latin master getting a bit too enthusiastic with the amo, amas, amat is negligible.

    I’m thinking of stuff like letting two homosexuals adopt little boys.

  21. A friend who works in the theatre world told me years ago that teenage boys were not safe around KS. Described him as a ‘predator’.

  22. Just as Weinstein essentially said “Yeah, I did it, but I hate Trump and guns so you should give me a pass”, so Spacey says “Yeah, I did it, but I’m gay so you should give me a pass”.

    I eagerly await Hollywood’s next lecture about the sad state of my morals (and politics).

  23. So Much For Subtlety

    Dennis the Peasant – “I eagerly await Hollywood’s next lecture about the sad state of my morals (and politics).”

    I believe Weinstein’s latest film has made roughly $750 dollars in its opening week.

    I eagerly await Meryl Streep giving Spacey a standing ovation when he gets his Oscar next year for whatever turgid piece of [email protected] he is about to star in next.

  24. So Much For Subtlety

    Matthew L – “Far more children are abused by straight adoptive parents.”

    Far more children live with straight adoptive parents. Even more children live with straight biological parents and hence even more children are abused by their biological parents.

    However the risk is much higher with gay parents. Your own country of Australia has had at least three sets of Gay parents brutally sexually abuse their adopted children. That is an exceptionally high ratio.

  25. “along with an actual real crime of underage in a nightclub”: Good Christ, is there an official age for simply being in nightclubs?

    On my first visit to the US some states had a legal age for drinking of 21 (or so I was told). I took to showing my British driving licence and assuring them that it was proof that I was 21.

  26. Another Hollywood remake. Hey, Kevin, you are not original; it’s been done.

    Let me know when he comes out a masculine-of-center, demiromantic, binary genderqueer.

  27. @BIS: “but this about people with forms of power & most people are somewhat short on the P vitamin”

    True, but there are plenty of other people with power in large organisations who do not behave this way. I remember one trading floor where it was said to be dangerous for a woman to cross the floor, but apart from that not much if anything in the City. I have worked with a couple of billionaire businessmen. Neither was exactly a shrinking violet, but neither did they abuse others in the way described.

  28. Andrew C, I’m sure we’ll soon see ambulance chasing adverts…

    “Did you sleep with a celebrity in the 1970s? Are they not as popular today as they were then? Are you suffering from buyer’s remorse? Call us today for a no win no fee quote!”

  29. there was that mysterious incident in 2004 when he might or might not have been been beaten up while cruising in a park in Kennington

    Heading south to spot some badgers?

  30. Solid Steve 2: Squirrels of The Patriots

    Matthew L – what SMFS said. And also, gay men are notoriously hedonistic. By orders of magnitude more so than straights. It’s not really polite to talk about it, and most folks don’t want to hurt people’s feelings, but when children’s welfare is at stake, political correctness shouldn’t be an issue.

    If consenting grown men want to grow moustaches, use poppers, put party drugs in their bottoms, and generally act like they’re in a Frankie Goes To Hollywood video, fine.

    But it’s insanity to think that the gay lifestyle is a good fit for raising children, because it isn’t.

    Also, huge numbers of gay men were previously molested, in their childhood, by gay men. There’s clearly a link between pederasty and homosexuality, so it should ring alarm bells in any non-addled mind when two grown men of the gay persuasion say they want to bring a little boy into their lives.

    We live in a fallen world, so unfortunately you can’t just assume the best of everyone where helpless kids are concerned. As a Dad I don’t trust any man who isn’t a close relative with the welfare of my sprogs, and keep a beady eye out for men who show a potentially unhealthy interest in children. Do you?

  31. Owne Jones throws a hissy fit over Kevin Spacey outing himself as a pillow-biter thus potentially bringing the whole alphabet soup deviant community into public opprobrium as paedophiles

  32. @Alex
    I can recall the old trading floor at the LSE (the one with the dome) where a bit of Sun-totty was apprehended & held for ransom. Think it cost the paper a 4 figure sum to get her back.

    (Ah. And the much lamented Birches in Angel Court, one of the original coffee houses, where they wouldn’t serve a woman at the bar on principal. Knew how to serve a proper Pimms, without turning it into a fruit salad. Best drunk in pint beer mugs with additional gin)

  33. Absolutely no gay adoption.

    A care home run by the Christian Brothers of Perpetual Lamentation is a much better environment.

  34. I just want to confirm how this works:

    Milo says that it is quite helpful for young, gay boys to have relationships with older men so that they understand the gay scene in a more mature way and also makes it clear that “boys” is used in the gay community sense of “young adult, legal but not yet 18”. Media responds with accusations of paedophilia, Milo loses book deal and lots of money.

    Spacey assaults underage boy with rumours swirling that this isn’t the only one. Media responds by sweeping it all under the carpet and that the big news is that Kevin Spacey is gay.

    Is Liberal Privilege a thing yet?

  35. Steve and SMFS: Bollocks. All the evidence says that the ratio is about the same, and there’s no link between homosexuality and paedophilia.

    As BiG alluded to, if you want to find a significantly higher proportion of child molesters, look at the churches.

  36. If another gay man comes out as having assaulted someone I’m looking forward to Owen Jone’s head exploding – which will make the world a slightly better place by his absence

  37. So Much For Subtlety

    Matthew L – “if you want to find a significantly higher proportion of child molesters, look at the churches.”

    Actually Catholic priests have the same if not lower rates of sexual abuse everyone else does. They are not significantly higher, not even higher and probably lower.

    And of course homosexual and paedophilia are pretty much the same thing. Gays make no distinction.

  38. When at a boring party you…

    A) Leave.

    B) Go into a bedroom and watch TV until everyone goes home.

    So, let’s see…

    A 14 year old… working in an industry noted for the number of gays in it… bored, goes into an adult male’s bedroom (on the bed?) late at night at a party ‘to watch TV’ and stays there until said adult male comes in.

    If I had a suspicious mind…

    Then decades later publishes a version of events at a time when such incidents are topical and guaranteed to give himself maximum publicity.

    Yes.

    Really what we should have is a criminal justice system where someone reports an incident to the police, police investigate, if enough evidence someone is charged, tried and a jury decides guilt or innocence based on the evidence and if guilty sentence is passed.

    Of course now we have Twitter and the mob no need for this inconvenient process, summon the Witchfinder General and go straight from gossip to stake… pass the pitchfork and torches.

  39. “A non denial by the accused helps.”

    “Kevin Spacey has responded to allegations he made unwelcome sexual advances towards a 14-year-old actor, saying he did not remember the incident”

    Innocent until proven guilty, right to silence – “non denial” isn’t proof, either.

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