The thing is, all of this is true

Tony Abbott, the former Australian prime minister, has drawn criticism for suggesting climate change “is probably doing good” and claiming that “far more people die in cold snaps”.

Addressing the London-based Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), a climate sceptic thinktank, on Monday evening, Mr Abbott said policies to tackle climate change was like primitive people trying to “appease the volcano gods”.

“There’s the evidence that higher concentrations of carbon dioxide (which is a plant food after all) are actually greening the planet and helping to lift agricultural yields. In most countries, far more people die in cold snaps than in heat waves, so a gradual lift in global temperatures, especially if it’s accompanied by more prosperity and more capacity to adapt to change, might even be beneficial.

It’s actually what the science says too.

The science goes on to say that it doesn’t stay like this as emissions and temperatures rise which is what the problem is. It’s not that unusual for a bit to be a good thing, a lot not so much, any drinker can tell you that.

“At least so far, it’s climate change policy that’s doing harm; climate change itself is probably doing good; or at least, more good than harm.

That’s also true, although the influence of what is being done on that future when the effects, in aggregate, are predicted to be bad is probably good.

Reacting to the speech on Twitter, Ed Miliband, the former Labour leader, said: “I know Donald Trump has lowered the bar for idiocy but…..”

But Ed, he’s actually right here.

17 thoughts on “The thing is, all of this is true”

  1. There is some evidence that although more CO2 is increasing crop yields, their nutrient values are decreasing

  2. On the one hand, a billionaire developer who’s been elected POTUS, on the other, Ed Milliband. Is there a new meaning for idiocy?

  3. Bloke in North Dorset

    Wonders if that is the same Ed Miliband who created fuel poverty by adding the renewable subsidy to fuel bills making the poorest by relatively more than the richest?

    Well, yes it is, so he can fuck off.

  4. I’m quite happy to accept the concept of climate change. However, if the world is warming currently, and that’s a big if, we don’t really know yet what proportion is due to CO2 and what is natural variation. The assumption that it’s mostly CO2 is baked into the IPCC so not much research seems to have been done yet to validate or refute that proposition. Sadly this means that most of the $trillions go on attempting to reduce CO2 rather than coping with climate change, whatever its source. Long term (kyears) we’ll head back into an ice age but that’s not a current concern. Nor should it be.

  5. The Earth formed around 4.5 bn years ago. We arrived on the scene about 2 m years ago. I know we tend to arrogance, but the idea we have any discernible impact is laughable.

  6. What Wonko said, x 1000.

    If a small rise in atmospheric CO2 (which by definition must have been in the air in the past, as its all coming from burning sequestered carbon from fossil fuels) could cause a runaway climate disaster on Planet Earth, it would have happened billions of years ago and we wouldn’t be here.

  7. ‘The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.’ – H. L. Mencken

    And when the Left can’t push the climate change bullshit anymore, they’ll have new crises to take its place.

  8. Gamecock. They’ll not ‘have’ … they will simply ‘invent’ another crisis to scare the masses. IMHO, even what our Tim advocates, carbon taxes in one form or another is simply a way for investment bankers to make even more money trading them.

  9. Felipe;

    Chicago Climate Exchange opened for trading in 2003 and finally went seven years later. Not very many people have made any money trading these sort of assets.

  10. Philip;

    Yup, ICE bought CCX (and it’s sister, the European Climate Excahnge). ICE contracts started with the EU’s ETS scheme in 2005, and it still is, and the North American CCX contracts were different. There were certain, problems, with Phase 1 of ETS, and the price collapsed pretty rapidly to nil. Looking at the ICE volumes, it still looks pretty thin.

  11. @Wonko the sane, October 10, 2017 at 9:32 am

    The Earth formed around 4.5 bn years ago. We arrived on the scene about 2 m years ago. I know we tend to arrogance, but the idea we have any discernible impact is laughable.

    We arrived on the scene about 165 Thousand years ago (millions of years after dinosaur extinction). Dinosaurs ruled the world for ~200 Million years

    If the Green blob believe CO2 is evil, they should stop breathing – problem solved.

  12. WRONG. The science does not go on to say that if it goes on like this, we are all going to roast like chickens. An ensemble of climate models, 90% of which have convincingly demonstrated that they are not fit for purpose, predict that we are all going to roast like chickens. The test of a hypothesis is that when it is falsified, it must be discarded. To refer to the dire predictions of this failed hypothesis is not science. Indeed it is anti-science.

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