There’s a lot resting on the “should” here

The opposite, abolitionist position – favoured by feminists including myself, and every sex trade survivor I have interviewed – is: prostitution is inherently abusive, and a cause and a consequence of women’s inequality. There is no way to make it safe, and it should be possible to eradicate it.

Julie Bindel (who else?).

I don’t actually know of any human society that has managed that should. Anyone else?

18 thoughts on “There’s a lot resting on the “should” here”

  1. Another radical liberationist imagines human nature can be controlled by legislation and without any adverse consequences…*yawn*

  2. > every sex trade survivor I have interviewed

    Three selection effects in one sentence clause: “sex trade survivor” rather than just prostitutes in general; only the ones she chose to interview; and only the ones who accepted to be interviewed by her.

  3. Andrew M, perhaps Ms Bindel did interview prostitutes in general. She merely chose to ignore everything they told her except the bits that fit the narrative.

  4. I just don’t understand the logic. A woman is somehow exploited in being paid for a service, but if she exchanges if for anything other than money (say a nice house and car), that’s not exploitative. And if she just gives it away that’s even less exploitative?

    Is there a mechanic out there who is being exploited by being paid who would like to escape his oppression and come fix my car for free?

  5. A woman is somehow exploited in being paid for a service

    She is exploited because it’s SEX, which is ICKY! And with a BOY, even worse*!

    Poor old JB is an essentially decent person totally screwed up by willyphobia.

    *because boys are stupid and smell of wee

  6. The Unused Testicle

    She “helps women who have been prosecuted for killing violent male partners.”(Wiki)

    You can tell how equal we all are by imagining Mr Bindel’s (!) attitude to me if I “help men who have been prosecuted for killing violent female partners.”

    I don’t have any figures for how prevalent this is, but were the ladies who soundly thrashed Mr Moseley’s buttocks sex slaves? Prima facie it seems the other way round.

    And of course, Mr Bindel cannot imagine that surely some women simply like being fucked by lots of different cocks and getting paid for it…

  7. Andrew M/Henry Crun,

    Prostitutes and porn people avoid journalists, because they’ve learnt that all they want is abuse stories and will edit things down to that.

  8. “Why prostitution should never be legalised

    Julie Bindel”

    Jeez. Her research never informed her that It’s already legal?

    However, soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning or managing a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes.

    You may think that this is unfair on pandas but that’s the law.

  9. — “There is no way to make it safe”

    If that were true then occupational health and safety statistics from places where it’s legalised – such as New Zealand – would indeed show prostitution as one of the more dangerous professions.

    **’Statistics NZ says the “elementary” occupation workers, which also includes jobs such as pest controllers, hotel porters, and courier drivers, had 238 claims per 1000 full-time equivalent employees (FTEs) in 2015, which was the same rate as the year before.

    However, the injury rate for agriculture and fishery group workers, which includes forestry workers, fell from 242 per 1000 workers, to 233 in 2015.

    Men are also far more likely to die at work – 92 per cent of death claims are male.’**

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11756182

    So, legalised prostitution is a safe occupation. Far safer than many male-dominated occupations, that’s for sure.

    As to being “inherently abusive”, I recall exchanges of letters in the press when the law was changed a few years back. Naturally you got the ones saying that the women involved were tragic victims with no other option etc. One reply from a prostitute explained how she was university educated, liked her job and the flexible hours, and made a shed-load of money.

  10. The Weinstein kerfuffle in the US is fun to read.

    I’m sure that I’ve read that it’s outrageous that sexual favours are exchanged for fame and success.

    arf arf.

  11. The effects of influential patronage.

    Imagine a situation where it’s not movie roles that are handed out by powerful people but food, housing and jobs.

    It’s call Socialism.

  12. @wat Dabney

    No, comrade, I used to think that might be true until I learned at the re-education farm that crime and exploitation do not occur under socialism.

    How I laughed at my stupidity as I ploughed the earth with my bare hands.

  13. I think men would be very pleased with a society that outlawed women from profiting from sex……….’Sorry dear, I can’t give you any more money, you had your annual State Mandated Standard Value Gift last month when your car broke down, remember?’

  14. MC said:

    “So what about male prostitution then?”

    The number of men paid to service women is effectively zero. Male prostitution is pretty much 100% a gay thing, and therefore totally acceptable to feminists. Because reasons bigot!

  15. Julie Bindel in writing a column full of twaddle to promote a book containing an even greater amount of twaddle, non-shocker.

    She’s had similar columns in the Independent and the Spectator (and probably elsewhere) within the last month or so. Nice earner if you can get it.

  16. Jonathan,

    > The number of men paid to service women is effectively zero. Male prostitution is pretty much 100% a gay thing

    In the UK, yes. But just as female prostitutes usually leave their home town (or even their home country) to ply their trade anonymously, so female Johns (Joans?) travel abroad to avoid any risk of social shame. Popular destinations include Kenya and various Caribbean islands.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sex_tourism

    Granted the numbers involved are several orders of magnitude less than the number of female prostitures.

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