Al Franken’s groping

Hmm.

Let me see if I’ve got this straight. Back in 2006, when a “comedian” and on a tour bringing “comedy” and cheer to US troops overseas, he shared the bill with a playboy model. A woman known for her tits (this is generally true of playboy models I believe). She is on the tour because her tits are famous.

There is a photograph of her asleep (perhaps), in a helmet and flak jacket, in which Franken mimics groping her tits.

A great joke? Perhaps not. Comedian mimics groping famous pair of tits. Oh my Benny Hill, eh?

There are other things being said, this is true. But seriously, no one’s stupid enough to take this particular bit as being important are they?

I’ve no love for Franken at all but really…..actually groping a sleeping woman, yes, obviously. But this?

52 thoughts on “Al Franken’s groping”

  1. I’m a bit worried. There are a lot and I mean a LOT of photos around which show me not touching a woman’s tits.

    To clarify, there are no photos of me pretending to be about to touch tits and mugging to the camera. Nonetheless I fear my proximity to breasts could one day incriminate me.

  2. The odds are very high that this wont be the only allegation against Franken – at which point it will enrich US politics to see this cretin thrown out.

  3. Allegedly, he also forced her to ‘rehearse’ a kiss with him, which allegedly involved him putting his tongue down her throat. Marvellous stuff.

  4. Savilepanic style cockrot. The photo is a big nothing.

    And there is ALWAYS a second accuser. That is Femmi-panic Handbook 101. One accuser is no good except to get the ball rolling. Numbers serve to give credibility in the minds of nitwits. Why else do you think UK Plod “trawls” for victims of alleged molesters and never fails to mention compo may be in the offing? So that, at the very least, several gold-digging female psychopaths will turn up –even if they can’t interest attention seekers and sleb-sucking nutcases. That last only if its a sleb being rousted of course.

  5. Actually, Mr Ekcs, they’ve been doing the same thing in residential care and education for 20+ years ; the difference being the “trawl” is done using the place’s records ; and most of the complainants are male.

  6. Matthew L: What fucking principles?

    That years old bullshit about pantomiming a tit-touch means your life is fucked? Never mind that he is some leftist git. The left don’t care if a few of their own gang go under the wheels to get an anti-men pogrom going. And that is what all this crap amounts too. Even anti-leftists should beware that one more leftist scalp is a hollow victory if it allows CM scum to increase the vulnerability of all men. Moore is a case in point.,

    Some drunk woman of 30 odd made a grab for my trousered bollocks in a pub when I was 19. I was more than a little embarrassed in my naïve youth.Should I try to make this a national cause now? Even if I knew who she was she would likely be 70+. Or maybe even dead by now. Should I have a photo taken beside her headstone (if there be one) together with the headline “This Bitch abused me and escaped into the Grave”.

    Fuck off femmi-numptys. She told Franken to piss off at the time and his pathetic pantomime was and is a non-event. And I hope Hell has accommodations waiting for all the vapouring , mouth-breathing chorus of morons helping femmiscum to ferment this latest witches brew of nonsense.

  7. Too bad about Franken, he had a brilliant career ahead of him.

    While you are not wrong Mr. Ecks, the feminazis aren’t changing today. We prosecute Franken under today’s rules.

  8. ” We prosecute Franken under today’s rules.”

    And today’s rules are a creation of femmi-horseshit. Based on their previous induced panics. And they are using the leverage gained to shape tomorrows rules. Which will complete the mission of CM feminism: To utterly ruin any sort of good and harmonious relations between men and women, destroy the family and thus Western Civilisation.

    Do I think it is OK for men to try to kiss a woman against her will ? No. But nor do I think it is that easy. Were his tongue down her throat she had only to close her teeth–even tho’ they be false. That would cause him to vacate her gob double quick. My point is that should this event now become a national cause with calls for… what? The good old femmi- standby–consent waivers? This time not merely for sex but for being anywhere near enough to even potentially touch a woman? Cos that is where it is heading and where the chorus of cluck-clucking morons are helping to steer us all.

  9. tlThey have to be made to play by their own rules, because they make the fucking rules.

    Correct. Franken is one of the most sanctimonious liberal assholes out there, so I’m fine with having the torch and pitchforks mob go after him.

    For everyone who thinks the picture is “no big deal”, do the same thing to a female colleague on your next business and let me know how that works out for you.

  10. “For everyone who thinks the picture is “no big deal”, do the same thing to a female colleague on your next business and let me know how that works out for you.”

    Well that is rather the point isn’t it. A childish and silly joke under the tender care of Marxian feminism becomes a career-ending and paradigm-shifting piece of work. And the paradigms they are aiming to create by their song-and-dance routine will be even more bad news for men and not so good for women who commit the crime of liking men either.

    Never mind what a leftist arsehole Franken is. The left don’t care –as I said above–about losing one–or millions–of their own if it advances their rotten cause. Just look at where tacit (or open) numbnuts white-knight support of this moronic tripe or even remaining indifferent will get ALL men. Even further up shit creek is where.

  11. Too many men have gotten away with behaviour even Ecks would agree is beyond the pale for too long. Maybe the pendulum needs to swing a bit too far the other way so that we can finally get the message through – treat women like people or there’ll be consequences.

  12. Ecks – These are the rules that Franken and his ilk created. He must live by them. To give him a pass would make him a first-class citizen while rest of us second-class citizens remain bound by his rules.

  13. So Much For Subtlety

    Mr Ecks – “Why else do you think UK Plod “trawls” for victims of alleged molesters and never fails to mention compo may be in the offing?”

    The Courts have just struck down one of the complaints about Rolf Harris – the eight year old girl. Having not, it seems, asked even the most basic questions.

    She may have to repay the £22,000 quid in blood money she extorted from him.

  14. “They have to be made to play by their own rules, because they make the fucking rules.”

    Sure. So long as you don’t thereby legitimise the rules.

  15. @Matthew L

    “Too many men have gotten away with behaviour even Ecks would agree is beyond the pale for too long. Maybe the pendulum needs to swing a bit too far the other way so that we can finally get the message through – treat women like people or there’ll be consequences.”

    Well, you could say the same about women, of course. Sexually arousing dress is sexually arousing. Should men be subjected to sexual arousement against their wishes? Is that woman standing next to you with her acres of cleavage & mini just below C-level subjecting you to unnecessary & unwanted provocation? Should there be consequences? Maybe even compensation.

  16. So Much For Subtlety

    Matthew L – “Too many men have gotten away with behaviour even Ecks would agree is beyond the pale for too long.”

    Too many Leftist men it seems. Even Moore was a Democrat at the time.

    “Maybe the pendulum needs to swing a bit too far the other way so that we can finally get the message through – treat women like people or there’ll be consequences.”

    Yeah. Just lynch a few Blacks and that will teach the rest a lesson. Good plan dude. As a Stalinist once said, if they did not punish the innocent, no one would be afraid.

  17. “Maybe the pendulum needs to swing a bit too far the other way so that we can finally get the message through – treat women like people or there’ll be consequences.”

    Does the same apply to men, in divorce and child access cases too?

  18. The Left must be choked on their rules. Saying their rules are wrong leaves them exempt.

    I’m not interested in an Ecksian noble death. Let the other side have a noble death.

  19. The rules are.derived from Alinsky. Make your opponent live by his own rule book. Historically Republicans presented themselves as clean living people. Hence Dems got traction every time they could show a lapse.
    As Trump showed, it doesn’t work if the Republican doesn’t make that claim.
    But by focusing on Republican hanky-panky for so long the Dems have effectively made proprietary behaviour one of their own rules.
    Make them live by it and the hysteria will diminish.
    And if feminism ceases to be useful to the left that too will diminish.

  20. “Too many men have gotten away with behaviour even Ecks would agree is beyond the pale for too long. Maybe the pendulum needs to swing a bit too far the other way so that we can finally get the message through – treat women like people or there’ll be consequences.”

    Yes, but the pendulum you’re talking about is the requirement for a fair trial, and the consequences you mention are that we abandon it.

    For far too long, people have been stealing stuff and getting away with it because of this requirement to present evidence that they actually did it. So let’s abolish the requirement for evidence. Anyone can accuse anyone else of stealing their stuff, and they’re be believed without question and the accused made to give it back, compensate the victim, or do jail time.

    That nice house you’ve just moved into? That’s mine. Your car? That’s mine, too.

    Nobody’s denying that there are people who steal stuff. Nobody’s denying this is wrong. But the ultimate consequences of abolishing the need to prove guilt before conviction, if the precedent is allowed to stand, are horrific beyond imagining. This is a pendulum that people need to be firmly told to leave alone.

  21. NIV: I’m not talking about removing the right to a fair trial. The justice system and the government should certainly stick to innocent until proven guilty. Social and civil consequences have always operated on a a balance of probabilities though.

  22. All very well Gamecock but the/your plan-if such it be- is already awry.

    This latest caper started with Weinstein–a leftist. The Right seemed to think they had been given a club–Hollywood Leftist Hypocrisy– to bash the hypocritical left with. But it isn’t going that way. ALL types of men–even homos– are now being hassled over trivial shite going back to the Dreamtime. The fact that leftist males are taking a few black eyes is less important to hateful leftist femmis than the fact that they have another club to bash MEN in general with. A few leftscum casualties do not affect the prospect of yet another massive leftist delivered black eye to all men everywhere. The majority of whom are non-leftists just trying to get on with a “normal” life. A life which every leftist victory and law/paradigm change-for-the-worse makes it more difficult to live.

    Which is what the marxian femmi-scum have wanted and were charged to do by CM all along.

  23. What Franken did or did not do is irrelevant at this point. The actual point is as follows:

    If the Democrats do not get Franken to resign, then there is an excellent chance Roy Moore will win the senate seat in Alabama.

    Donald Trump got a pass from voters because they remembered that when Bill Clinton was accused of naughty things, the Democratic Party’s response was that the accusations of a few trailer-trash sluts didn’t matter. Democrats acting horrified over Trump’s alleged indiscretions simply didn’t carry any weight given their spirited defense of Clinton.

    It seems clear that Roy Moore has no intention of leaving the Alabama race, and it seems equally clear that if Franken refuses to resign, and the senate does not expel him, there will be an excellent chance that a whole lot of voters will decide that Roy Moore might be creepy, but he (1) wouldn’t be out of place in the senate, and (2) he’s their creep.

  24. “NIV: I’m not talking about removing the right to a fair trial. The justice system and the government should certainly stick to innocent until proven guilty. Social and civil consequences have always operated on a a balance of probabilities though.”

    In that case, what pendulum are you talking about?

    Sexual assault and sexual harassment have been illegal for a long time. If you’ve got proof, you can go to the police and get a rapist jailed. The problem has always been that in a lot of these cases there’s no evidence, and no proof, it’s just one person’s word against another.

    That’s why the women often don’t report it, or complain. That’s why employers and organisations often ignore accusations if they are made. Without proof, you can’t prosecute, and if you take action anyway you make yourself vulnerable to counter-claims of victimisation. The cost of requiring evidence is that some guilty people will get away with it, and the less evidence a crime leaves, the more often that will happen.

    What’s changed is that in their desperation to increase the number of prosecutions, the political correctness campaigners have abandoned the courts and turned instead to “trial by media”, which can impose its penalties without proof. I think a lot of them just see it as a case of the end justifying the means.

    But behind that, the political philosophers see yet another repetition of the left’s attempts to repeal the right to a fair trial. Once political incorrectness becomes punishable without the need for evidence, those who define and judge what is politically correct rule society absolutely.

    When people are made to feel guilty because everything is made illegal, and when the application of the verdict/sentence is ambiguous, applied only at their whim, humans seek to appease their judges and rulers. They virtue signal their own compliance and agreement with the rules, and abandon friends and relatives dragged into the arena, in case they’re thought to share the same aberration. The theory and application of social control was refined and perfected by the soviets.

    That’s the pendulum that is actually been swung. What other pendulum was you thinking about?

  25. The Courts have just struck down one of the complaints about Rolf Harris – the eight year old girl. Having not, it seems, asked even the most basic questions.

    The amazing thing about this case was that it appeared to hinge on witness testimony of someone who saw Harris in Portsmouth on this particular day. In 1969.

    The witness was discredited because he claimed he was in Portsmouth because he was performing some sort of military service, but the defence found out he had never been in the services.

    The amazing thing though is that this person can remember that Harris was there on ONE particular day in 1969, 45 years or so before the trial. He can remember the exact day 45 years later? It isn’t as if it was memorable because he witnessed a crime. He just saw him in the town.

    Now I have seen a few famous people in the street. I doubt I could tell you which year it was, let alone the exact day. We are basing criminal convictions on crap like this? Its insane.

  26. I said Rolf was shafted by the Yewtree gang. After a string of trial flops they had to have a conviction or the entire femmi-farce was in danger of collapse, So they brought in Wass and the best of their femmi-lawyers . Who switched from being slaughtered in attempts to try cases on incredibly dodgy and unsubstantiated “facts” to legal theatre and 50 year old blubbering from behind screens. Emotion–even cod emotion–won the day for them.

    Alison Saunders needs to be charged with –by now–several hundred counts of “Conspiracy to pervert the course of Justice”.

  27. NiV and Ecks have hit the nail bang on. If some of these absurd accusations aren’t fought, irrespective of who is accused, we end up with everyone presumed guilty until proven innocent (by which time it is too late to save reputations, careers and even in some cases lives)

    East Germany but with the self-appointed moral guardians in charge, rather than the Stasi

  28. Well, there will always be normal women who quite like blokes staring at their tits and the vast majority of blokes know that “fuck off” means no, so I say get the left wing men and feminazis in the ring to flight it out and the rest of us can sit in the audience and cop a mutually agreeable feel in the dark.

  29. The left do care about Franken,he was on the shortlist for a presidential run,fuck him and all the better by using their own methods to do it.

  30. NIV: The pendulum of not immediately dismissing allegations as fame seeking harlots trying to bring down a good man. You talk about the moral guardians trying to cause the innocent to lose their careers, but at the moment we’ve got other moral guardians intimidating victims into silence. That’s the pendulum I’m talking about.

  31. I seem to be talking to a brick wall.

    It doesn’t matter to the left–including the males who haven’t yet been attacked–that the left are getting a share of the femmi-bullshit this femmi-panic around. They don’t care if some of their own get fucked over if that happening also advances their poison agenda of making life more difficult for ALL men. By ensuring more power for girlie-scum and the wanking white knights who support the whining bitches.

    By sitting there and chortling “This time them leftists are getting some of their own medicine. Serves ’em right HA-HA-HA” you are missing the point. The bullshit the marxfem freaks are firing into the air is weaponised against all of us who happen to have dicks. The flying shite is aimed at all of us and will land on all of us.

    The least we can do to put a spoke in their wheel is not to endorse their drivel. Regardless of whether those on the receiving end are leftists or not.

  32. So Much For Subtlety

    Rob – “The witness was discredited because he claimed he was in Portsmouth because he was performing some sort of military service, but the defence found out he had never been in the services.”

    The service he claimed to be performing was in Korea. Yep, their star witness claimed to have come back to the UK on leave from the Korean War. In 1969.

    On this basis Rolf Harris was sent to prison.

  33. ‘The least we can do to put a spoke in their wheel is not to endorse their drivel.’

    Turning it on them.

    Your theory appears to be the Left can make any ridiculous attack they want, and then the Left is excused for the same offense.

    Screw that. Choke ’em on it.

  34. Bloke in North Dorset

    smfs,

    “The service he claimed to be performing was in Korea. Yep, their star witness claimed to have come back to the UK on leave from the Korean War. In 1969.

    On this basis Rolf Harris was sent to prison.”

    On that basis he was charged!

    Someone should be paying out of their own pockets for the wasted police, CPS and court time.

  35. @SMFS “The Courts have just struck down one of the complaints about Rolf Harris – the eight year old girl. Having not, it seems, asked even the most basic questions.”

    They don’t. What they do is tout for complaints, which they then edit and re-present. It is effectively conviction by volume of complaints.

    Some of it is absurd ; Harris is deemed dishonest because he hadn’t remembered he’d been to Cambridge. This is standard practice (errors in the complaints are down to their terrible abuse, errors in the defendant proves they are a liar).
    You can see it more clearly in the case of Roache (Corrie bloke), which included one allegation of “he assaulted me I’m sure but I can’t remember it” and one of being warned off by a fellow Corrie actor ; the problem being this occurred many years before the actor joined the soap.

    You’d think at worst the “if you give me money I’ll keep quiet” would at least cause some doubts to be incurred.

  36. Gamecock:”Your theory appears to be the Left can make any ridiculous attack they want, and then the Left is excused for the same offense. ”

    No.

    What I am saying is that we should accept NONE of the femmi-bullshit regardless of which men (in our case:males in the left’s) it is aimed at because it is all aimed at the destruction–or at least heavy damaging of ALL men.

    The femmi-shit was originally hurled at mostly right-wing men.

    The fact that femmis have turned on some of their male allies is not a cause for rejoicing. Because the fall-out from yet another black eye for men makes conditions more loaded against ALL men.

    Am I saying that we should just ignore the present spate of charges being thrown about against leftist males?

    I am saying we should always have massively questioned ANY femmi-shite fired off against ANY men. We–“society” including large numbers of “no smoke without fire” nitwit white knights– should NEVER have accepted any of the shite the way it was accepted. Belief in the guilt of Jimmy Savile is almost universal–but how many have actually looked into supposed details rather than swallowing tabloid tripe?

    Had we stood up and properly looked into the Savile cockrot and the follow-up Yewtree garbage ( which the Fish Faced Cow as HS was instrumental in having pushed forward) then there would be NO panics because the femmi-crap would have rapidly rotted away under the cold light of reason. Instead everybody has bought the lying shite about Savile and Yewtree and by extension ALL men. The result of that is empty accusations can get ANY man in deep shite just by being made. The days when you could be judged on your character are long gone. Thanks to men’s willingness to accept hateful CM propaganda the same men are now regarded as perverts and molesters of whom any accusation must be true or it wouldn’t have been made.

    And now people are crowing that some bloke is being ruined by femmis because he pantomimed touching some woman’s tits –while she was wearing a flak jacket for Christ’s sake. Yes this idiot is a leftist but whatever nasty fallout emerges from the present bogus panic such negative consequences will fall on ALL men. There will be no dispensation saying “this lot of nonsense is to fall on leftist males only”.

    When your life/career can be ruined because you made a non-touch gesture some femmbitch doesn’t like or when you need written permission to be in the same room as women or some such nonsense it will be small comfort to remember that a few leftists got squelched by their own side as part of the process.

  37. “You can’t use the Left’s bad rules against the Left because they are bad rules.”

    Is Mr Ecks actually Mitch McConnell?

  38. Bloke in Costa Rica

    This neutralises the attack rather than broadens it. If they go for a conservative/libertarian politician, we can throw it back in their faces, and the feminists need “allies” among the Y-chromosome-bearing portion of their coalition so they will have to back off. Hypocrisy is hugely toxic among normal voters. And if they refrain from accusations as a result, a lot of their power is drained.

    Note this is purely tactical and has nothing to say about the truth or otherwise of any allegations. But for sure there has been a huge amount of evil done by people in politics and entertainment using their professed right-on views as a shield, and if they are being called to account now then that is a good thing. For example, the claims made against Kevin Spacey, if proven, are of a gravity and number as to make jail time look reasonable. And what Franken did was wrong. The fact he’s a colossal shit that has merited a savage beating for decades is neither here nor there, but it adds a nice little garnish to the dish of Schadenfreude.

  39. “You can’t use the Left’s bad rules against the Left because they are bad rules.”

    Alright try this one. It is bad idea to pickup the left’s dropped gun and attempt shoot back at them when the fucking thing is going to blow up in your own face. That’ll make your day.

    I’m done with this thread .

    Tactics seem to be of little importance compared with the spectacle of emotional payback. Even if said emotional indulgence helps to lose the war.

  40. The right is whining and bitching about Franken’s “crime”. And the left is defending him. This is wonderful! Franken will get off because the MSM will go on and on about how unfair it is because because.
    The rest of the country will see the hypocrisy and additional attacks on men will be greeted more critically. I think DtP is right, it will make moore in Alabama electable again as a second order effect.
    Of course I thought Romney was going to win in 2012, so take my opinions with a big grain of salt.

  41. K, now that Mr Ecks is gone, let’s talk about the tactics of retreat and submission.

    “So that, at the very least, several gold-digging female psychopaths will turn up”

    Leeann Tweedan is a nice lady. She is not a “gold-digging female psychopath,” and it’s creepy of Ecks to suggest it.

    The hyper world of sexual harassment allegations was invented by the Left. Ms Tweedan saw it as the time to speak up.

    “The photo is a big nothing.”

    ‘On the contrary, Mr Bond,
    I think you’ll find those wounds quite
    fatal.’

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