One can read this in two ways

Sex education may need to become more graphic because teenagers are increasingly experimenting with taboo practices, a new study has warned.

One is the way they mean this to be read. Which is that porn and general societal pressures have meant that the kids are getting a little more exotic in the sex that they’re having. Thus the education about it needs to be about the rather more exotic stuff too.

Hmm.

There is the other manner as well. Which is that more sex education leads to more sex being had (consistent with observation at least) and that in itself leads to more exotica (similarly consistent with the evidence). Thus we need to teach about even more exotica.

34 thoughts on “One can read this in two ways”

  1. This is interesting:

    “In the most recent survey, the median age of reported first sexual experience among men and women born between 1990 and 1996 was 14. The median age for losing virginity is now 16 across for both men and women.

    In the 1950s it was 20 for women and 19 for men.”

  2. Bloke in North Dorset

    Julia,

    Median of of marriage: (Year, men, women)
    1950 22.8 20.3
    1960 22.8 20.3

    I suspect that the social stigma of out of wedlock pregnancy was as much a driver then, although the causation runs both ways. My parents were married in July and I was born in November of the same year, although they were both older than the median age when they got married.

    A very good friend was the practice manager at a large GP centre in North London a few years ago where there was a large community that still had a lot of social stigma around girls not being virgins when they go married. (Not RoPers). They had a spate where underage girls were being branded on their backsides by their boyfriends when they’d had anal sex. I suspect that sort of thing didn’t go on in the 1950s.

  3. Job creation in practice. What teachers’ are saying is that teachers aren’t teaching most of them naff all, so they’d like to widen the curricula to keep ’em and themselves interested. Well nope. If you pass the basics then you can go play, not you teach, you do some marking.

  4. Patrick

    That map is fascinating. Given that the percentages are broken down by region (within countries), some of the obvious national border demarcations are quite remarkable.

  5. Sex ‘education’ (as opposed to basic human biology) is unnecessary in schools, and the family should be responsible for it. Any public health matters — STDs, contraception availability – can be dealt with by privately sponsored public information campaigns.

    Ditto drugs ‘education.

  6. Patrick

    Yes, but then Poland (vs East Germany, both communist). Ie it’s West Germany that is sandwiched; but similarly France (sandwiched) with Germany, Switzerland and Italy and Spain.

    Alsace Lorraine is clearly back where it belongs. Belgium might as well be part of France, and Luxembourg should simply annexe (the other way).

    Scandinavia – yes, but the map is slightly misleading as hardly anyone lives in those red bits to the north.

    If it’s accurate, there should be a good narrative there?

  7. So Much For Subtlety

    I have a better idea – enforce the age of consent laws. Children should not be having sex. Start jailing a few. See if that works.

    As I have said before the Left clearly is trying to make the Islamic State seem the saner option. Right now I think their approach to sex ed is starting to look the better option.

  8. PF.
    Religion – Catholic (or otherwise serious about religion incl Muslim) or not.
    SJW / lefty looniness – or not.
    Explains most of it I reckon.

  9. Interesting, but Italy / France. Similar-ish in both religion and politics? OK, few beat the Itis for religion, but France does have the higher vibrant count to compensate.

    You’re right (religion and politics) but there is interesting other stuff going on there as well.

  10. @SMFS

    “I have a better idea – enforce the age of consent laws. Children should not be having sex. Start jailing a few. See if that works.”

    Can’t see that working. I can see some pretty awful second order effects though.

    IMO, it comes down to parenting. As a dad to one of each kind (yeah- fuck off: two genders is still the rule) the’ll be taught about sex at home, but with an emphasis on waiting for the right person.

    I note that (amongst my peers at school) it was the girls from fairly broken homes that ended up with kids in their teens, and/or a reputation for being an easy score.

    i suspect that, if the parents couldn’t influence the former, the state will have fuck all success.

  11. Theo – the families can do quite a bit of sex education including hands on.
    What you are missing are that plenty of families do NO sex education at all. So the fat girl on the loo gives birth to a baby in the toilets because no one taught her about sex.
    Or worse, as the Americans have found out, when teaching a particular type of sex education the teen pregnancy rate increases as they teach nothing about sex.

  12. So Much For Subtlety

    Martin – “What you are missing are that plenty of families do NO sex education at all. So the fat girl on the loo gives birth to a baby in the toilets because no one taught her about sex.”

    So the urban legend goes. Does this actually happen? I think not.

    “Or worse, as the Americans have found out, when teaching a particular type of sex education the teen pregnancy rate increases as they teach nothing about sex.”

    Which is not true actually. Despite attempts by the Left to distort the figures, it appears sex education has no effect on American children at all. Whether they got abstinence or hands on banana [email protected], they got pregnant at about the same rate. Liberals are just more likely to abort.

  13. The article itself is rather light on what “taboo” things are going on. Are they using feathers or the whole chicken, for example?

  14. Theo – the families can do quite a bit of sex education including hands on.

    Martin, I think you’ll find the hands on bit is verboten.

  15. ‘the kids are getting a little more exotic in the sex that they’re having’

    So the kids can teach the teachers a thing or two?

    I always thought that what you learned in biology class was enough. Schools should NOT be doing ‘sex education.’

  16. So Much For Subtlety

    dearieme – “So not all the news is bad”

    Like the Gays, and for pretty much the same reason, they like to recruit.

    And they have your children for many hours every week

  17. You’re right (religion and politics) but there is interesting other stuff going on there as well.

    It might be down to what they’re calling marriage. Do they count the French PACS as a marriage? A lot of my colleagues have this, but stopped short of actual marriage.

  18. Bloke in Germany in Hong Kong

    How exotic can you get? I mean, between any couple you have a maximum of 2 tabs and up to 5 slots.

    They arent getting into squirrel suits are they?

  19. BiG
    Squirrel love is vanilla on these pages but you know the red variety, once commonplace, is very exotic now, more likely to read it in a book than see one on your way to school.

  20. If they’re ‘increasingly experimenting with taboo practices’ (such as?) then they really don’t need the more graphic parts of sex ed.

    After all, half the fun is figuring this stuff out yourself.

    Teach ’em birth control and STD prevention – they seem to be figuring the rest out just fine.

    Though I find the use of the term ‘taboo’ here to be confusing. Are they banging their sister? The dog? The baby? Is there really anything left in Western society that is genuinely considered taboo outside of incest, pedophilia, and bestiality?

  21. As a young boy in the 50’s, probably ~12, I casually told my dad a rumor that a neighbor girl about my age was a “bad girl” knowing that meant having done the wild thing. My dad, a Norwegian immigrant born just before 1900, sat me down & told me there were no “bad girls” in that sense & explained all girls do sooner or later & many start younger for many reasons including a natural higher drive in some, not having a dad, too strict of parents, being ignored at home, & more. Further, it was not new, it has always been so. Bottom line, “bad girls” are just girls & because of the stigma, I MUST never tell anyone about my gf’s; that many boys brag, but that is harmful & I should never do that.

    In HS, at 16, I was the 1st boy my 14yo gf could date & we did IT! The techniques learned from my buddies were useless compared to what I learned from my 14yo. She had a newly wed, 21yo neighbor she spent a lot of time with who told her things to try with me, and she did. I’ve always learned more from my gf’s than my buddies.

    But pregnancy was a real stigma. At that time girls were sent to homes for the unwed, frequently gave up the child for adoption & returned after spending a few months “with an aunt.” Because of this we were careful & lucky. We sometimes bought condoms & foams with our lunch money & just used care most of the time.

    Reducing pregnancy can be taught. Teaching little girls to say no, doesn’t seem to work. Little girls deciding it is their time, will seek willing boys, so teaching boys not to dive in is useless. There’s a French song: “All men are pigs. All women love pigs.”

  22. We sometimes bought condoms & foams with our lunch money

    Probably why the kids are so fat nowadays. They are buying pizza and chips with their lunch money instead of contraceptives.

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