Sorry, really, sorry, but I’m afraid I just don’t think this is a crime

Not a real one, not a social one either:

A second man has accused Kevin Spacey of sexually harassing him.

Tony Montana, a filmmaker, alleges that the House of Cards star was intoxicated when he “groped” his groin at a Los Angeles bar in 2003.

Speaking to the online website Radar, Mr Montana, who was in his 30s at the time, makes a number of unsubstantiated allegations about the star, claiming: “I went up to order a drink and Kevin came up to me and put his arm around me. He was telling me to come with him, to leave the bar. He put his hand on my crotch.

“I put my hand down and turned his thumb back to get his hand off it. I paid for my drink and got away from him.”

He claims Spacey then followed him into the lavatories, adding: “One of his friends was in line and I said, ‘It’s time to take your boy home.’ They all ended up leaving.”

Jeebus, get with it folks. Drunks importuning for sex, copping a feel, sure, it’s not nice but it’s going to happen as long as we sell alcohol, isn’t it? It’s just part and parcel of that richness of a late night lifestyle.

Seriously, drunk tries it on, friends alerted, they take him home?

And?

A little more info, it was in a dive bar (read, local pub more than anything else) in West Hollywood. Hmm.

20 thoughts on “Sorry, really, sorry, but I’m afraid I just don’t think this is a crime”

  1. So Much For Subtlety

    Actually it is. Maybe it shouldn’t be but it is. People have gone to jail for about that and no more. For instance:

    In October 2012, it was alleged by two former BBC employees that Travis sexually assaulted several women during his time at the BBC. One of the women, who was 17 at the time, claimed in the media after making a formal statement to police that Travis put his hand up her skirt in 1977.[20] The other, presenter Vivien Creegor, claimed Travis “jiggled her breasts” when she was live on BBC Radio 4 in the 1980s.

  2. Tony Montana? Oh, how did Spacey miss the opportunity for “say hello to my little friend?”, especially as his Al Pacino is spot on?

  3. @TimW.As far as I’m aware, the law doesn’t make a distinction where a crime is committed. But the circumstance might be mitigation in assessing an appropriate penalty.
    Of course, was a time, when fairly trivial offences were given a by. But, unfortunately, the shirtlifting community has been one of those insisting on the letter of the law, when claiming to be transgressed against. So what goes around, comes around.

  4. Definitely assault. Being drunk mitigating factor? Possibly.

    You see why these people believe they can (and can) get away with it now? No one but no one is going to have anyone (least of all a famous actor) prosecuted for a minor assault.

    Were it a non-famous person you’d either forgive them or shun them. No one is going to shun Kevin Spacey. It’s a career-limiting manoeuvre.

    So there is no sanction for the rich and famous who do this. Unless people start prosecuting them for minor crimes before they move on to the major ones.

  5. Bloke in North Dorset

    “In a radio studio is one thing, in a bar is another.”

    Gay bar, maybe, but not the sort of bar I want to use.

  6. Being drunk mitigating factor? Possibly.

    In UK sentencing law, being drunk is usually an aggravating factor. In fact, from the Sexual Offences: Definitive Guidelines section on Sexual Assault:

    Other aggravating factors

    Commission of offence whilst under the influence of alcohol or drugs

  7. As a member of the puddle jumpers Olympic team, I have to ask the question why should a guy be given a pass as a sex pest because he happens to pester men for sex rather than women?

    If this had happened to some other politician or ‘sleb then Kevin Spacey would have condemned them, so why should it be any different because it is him?

    As for the venue, a dive gay bar where men go to meet other men for sex, much of what goes on there is illegal but the police turn a blind eye nowadays for the sake of “not upsetting the gayers”.

    As for homosexual men hitting on those under the age of consent, same rules and standards of behaviour should apply as in the heterosexual world. The gayers aren’t different any more.

    It seems as though Kevin Spacey has deliberately outed himself (not exactly the world’s best kept secret after getting mugged looking for “strange” on the commons of South London), but to suddenly come out after decades of denial when accused of predatory behaviour is a little too “convenient”.

    Should we have laws protecting minors (of whatever gender / sexual orientation) from predatory adults (of whatever gender / sexual orientation)? Absolutely, but we need to raise the bar so that the low level harassment and abuse is managed by societal correction (as it used to be), so that when the wife’s brother gets drunk and gets overly friendly with the 15-year old babysitter it is friends and family that intervene, not the plod or social services.

  8. Isn’t it strange that after years of campaigning for equality these people moan about being treated just like everyone else?

  9. The responses to these assaults are as pathetic as the perpetrator. What ever happened to nutting them in the face? I can’t see Kevin Spacey being too much to handle, can you?

    A more robust, traditional response to these people earlier in their life would probably have made them think twice before trying it on again.

  10. @Rob, so you think it would be acceptable for a woman to give you a Glasgow kiss every time a guy says “Fancy a shag?” and the woman in question decides to answer in the negative?

    Why should anyone be moved to violence based upon a denied request to bump uglies?

    You should seek psychiatric help.

  11. Rob,

    “The responses to these assaults are as pathetic as the perpetrator. What ever happened to nutting them in the face? I can’t see Kevin Spacey being too much to handle, can you?”

    I suppose he has some power, but even then, go to the police, or just bury it and get some therapy. Crying on TV about your past is such a chick thing to do. Although having seen photos of him, it’s more evidence that people who got tattoos in the past 20 years are massive pussies who are overcompensating.

  12. @Rob, so you think it would be acceptable for a woman to give you a Glasgow kiss every time a guy says “Fancy a shag?” and the woman in question decides to answer in the negative

    1. Grabbing someone’s sexual organs is somewhat different from saying “fancy a shag”
    2. Kevin Spacey is not a woman
    3. If I grabbed a woman’s crotch uninvited I would not be surprised to receive a violent response and nor would most people. Neither would most people consider such a response to be “evidence of requiring psychiatric help”.

  13. “In UK sentencing law, being drunk is usually an aggravating factor.”

    Not if you stab someone with a bread knife while in possession of female genitaia apparently.

  14. Don’t forget, U.S. states have statute of limitations. What happened in 2003 is NOT a crime, whether it was at the time or not.

    Montana is practicing “me too” defamation. The point is to bring attention to himself, not Spacey. Montana assumes he can get away with it in the current environment. I bet that over half the people “coming out” over Spacey are just completely making it up, taking advantage of the situation.

    It’s Hollywood. They are actors. Not real people.

  15. @Jim

    Negative:
    “Next, I need to decide whether there are any aggravating features which raise the seriousness of this matter and whether there are any mitigating features which reduce the seriousness. There are certainly no statutory aggravating features. However, there is one non-statutory aggravating feature, namely that at the time of the offence you were heavily under the influence of alcohol. Whilst that in part was as a result of a previous and highly damaging relationship, you were old enough and intelligent enough to realise that over-indulgence would severely affect your behaviour.”

    From the sentencing remarks.

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