Well, no, not really,

A minimum price for alcohol should be set in England, charities and MPs have demanded after Scotland won a legal battle over implementing the policy.

How about we wait and see how it works out? Test it maybe?

38 thoughts on “Well, no, not really,”

  1. How about we line the bastards up against a wall, pour cheap scotch whisky over them and then set fire to the lot.

  2. Just written to Matt Ridley to revive that old joke. His ancestral estate is up there. A cider barn on the A1 by Marshall Meadows sounds about right….

  3. You are assuming there will be some sort of objective test for this. There won’t. Data will be manipulated and lies will be told, just like with the “smoking ban miracles” we saw a few years ago. For that, activists trawled every hospital they could find, found one massive random outlier where heart attack rates had fallen in the three months after the ban, and presented it as ‘evidence’ that the ban worked.

  4. Windfall profits for the supermarkets and off licences targeting the poor while the Scottish Establishment can carry on drinking fine wines and whisky on expenses

    What’s not to like?

  5. How about we wait and see how it works out? Test it maybe?

    Isn’t that what happened with plain packaging of cigarettes? Let the Australians have a crack at it first, observe how smoking prevalence doesn’t change and how contraband flourishes and then introduce in the UK. Why opt for a delay which will simply prolong the cacophony of do-goodery?

  6. If we do wait a year or so I predict that we’ll be told EITHER how well it’s working so it should be extended to the rest of the UK OR that it isn’t working because the sneaky Scots are buying alcohol over the border so it should be extended to the rest of the UK.

  7. So the “It’s EU law innit” excuse always was a pack of bullshit lies.

    Smuggling will be a new industry and Scottish shops will lose trade. You can’t keep money people aren’t spending with you.

    How long before Scottish Border car searches are instituted? Perhaps that is a reason the SNP scum are doing it. To give them an excuse to get folk used to border antics.

    I will visit Edinburgh once more just in case. I liked the history of the place. But any border nonsense and that’s it for trips to SJWcotland. I don’t think there will be that many English tourists but I can see their being a lot fewer after this. And tourism is–was one of their main planks.

    A visit to Scotland was one thing. A visit to East Germany-on-the-Clyde is another.

  8. As others have said there is an air of inevitability about this, we’ll all be getting it soon. The only good thing will be to see the smug expression wiped off the face of all those who thought the smoking ban was going to stop at smokers.

    In the fullness of time this might actually be a bridge too far for them, they can pick off the smokers because they’re now a small minority, but the majority drink. The criminality that could result from this will make drug prohibition look like a walk in the park. It’s going to take a massive police state presence to make this work. I know the political elites are up for that, but soon even the dumbest member of the public might see the agenda.

  9. “a booze warehouse in Longtown”: one summer I was employed to operate a warehouse in Longtown. It was used by a Scottish company because British Rail bumped up its fees for cargo that crossed the border. So the sensible thing was to unload from train to lorry in England.

    No doubt there is somewhere a ludicrous claim that there is an economist who had an original insight into the possibility of such an effect.

  10. Bloke in North Dorset

    “How about we wait and see how it works out? Test it maybe?”

    How about we just tell them to fuck off?

    This is nothing more than a regressive tax on the people that middle class SJWs think aren’t capable of managing their own lives. Which may be true, but they’re infinitely better now than they would be when the SJWs get real control of them.

  11. They will bring this in in England to punish the working class for voting for Brexit. The urban left seem to hate everything about the English working classes. This is a policy that has everything. It gives them a moral high since its meant to stop bad things and doesn’t have any effect on them while massively hitting the poor. I think this is the most regressive policy in 50 years.

  12. So who gets the money? The manufacturer or the retailer? It’s not the government (apart from the VAT).

    At first glance it is a condition of the licensee, so it would seem to be the retailer that gets it, however as with “Tax incidence”, this might not last long if there is free money on offer and I fully expect the wholesale price of said affected drinks to rise accordingly. The “new law” will of course be blamed for the price rise rather than the reality of opportunism.

    The brands have the power, rather than the retailers, so I expect that they will be carving off the lions share of this newly created “profit by government fiat”.

  13. It appears that the first booze warehouse one encounters after crossing the border southwards on the M6 is Asda Carlisle, on the A1 it’s Morrison’s in Berwick – I would *love* to see the impact on alcohol sales there once this is implemented

  14. Maybe ASDA and Morrisons could club together and get a nice thank you present for the MSP’s. I’m sure a few dozen cases of cheap plonk would go down well.

  15. Arbitrage is a well known economic concept, dearieme. I believe the word was first used in the sense of taking advantage of different prices for the same good at the start of the 18th century. I would look it up but my Petit Robert is not to hand right now

  16. In the fullness of time this might actually be a bridge too far for them, they can pick off the smokers because they’re now a small minority, but the majority drink

    Never underestimate the utter fanaticism of these people. I saw a tweet today from a State-funded “Public Health” group claiming a potato contains the equivalent of 16 cubes of sugar. These people are absolutely fucking barking but as they are dedicated to controlling every aspect of our lives they are also very dangerous.

    Their constant crazy propaganda is working though, I have seen opinion polls claiming more than half the country believes that sugar is dangerous.

  17. Well, as i’ve long said, it’s the never-ending carousel of cavaliers and roundheads. But, boy, it does feel like we’re overdue a period of merry monarching.

  18. Council licensing officers will most likely check the price on the shelf edge or sticker. The price shopkeepers are actually charging their most loyal of customers will remain a mystery.

  19. They wont be happy until we’re all eating from State run Canteens and drinking “Victory” coffee and rations of “Victory” gin

  20. @dearie me
    ““a potato contains the equivalent of 16 cubes of sugar”: a large potato, then.”

    Surely everything contains some proportion of sugar equivalent? What with sugars being what everything gets broken down into eventually.

    If it doesn end up a second sugar, isn’t it not food?

  21. How long before some (state-funded) pressure group calls for minimum pricing on mars bars, or fish suppers, or butter, or some other boo-food of the week? And how long after that before the Socialist National Party decides the price of everything?

  22. What the lying twats likely mean is that carbohydrates in a potato turn into sugar in the body. But apart from the use of protein to build/replace tissue and vitamins/minerals /fats etc so does almost all food. The brain and body use sugar for energy.

  23. It remains vital that Scotland keeps the UK’s highest per head level of subsidies to landowners on whose land the barley is produced.

  24. Other than making the poor poorer and more unhappy what do the SNP Dictators and the health nazis achieve?

    Research by Sheffield University has suggested a 50p minimum unit price could result in 121 fewer deaths a year after 20 years, while hospital admissions could fall by more than 2,000 a year by then.

    In other words – Sod All, Zilch, Nothing

    I’ve emailed Ruthie asking if they oppose and if not, why not.

  25. Surely everything contains some proportion of sugar equivalent? What with sugars being what everything gets broken down into eventually.

    If it doesn end up a second sugar, isn’t it not food?

    Quite so, JS. Potato is about 0.8% sugar. Probably by ‘sugar equivalent’ they mean glycaemic index — ie the rapidity at which the body converts a given food into blood sugar or glucose. The GI of potato is about 85 – pure glucose being 100. It is high because the maltase in saliva gets to work on the potato’s starch in the mouth and converts it to the sugar maltose which is quickly converted to glucose in the stomach. However, to compare this to eating sugar cubes is, to say the least, misleading.

  26. “Arbitrage is a well known economic concept, dearieme.” Yeah, probably in Sumer

    As disobliging and curmudgeonly as always, dearieme. You must be either Stanley Baxter or someone who sunk a whole bottle of whisky for breakfast

  27. The lying twats need to have a large potato forcibly rammed down their throats.

    Seriously, WTF would these people be doing if they weren’t lecturing everyone on how to live? Running death camps to produce environmentally friendly Solent Green?

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