It is to laughMay 18, 2018 Tim WorstallPolitics28 CommentsI am a libertarian Sir Simon Jenkins. The barefaced cheek of the statement previousSo, these peeps, the usual nutters or what?nextGissa Job! 28 thoughts on “It is to laugh” Simon Tugmutton May 18, 2018 at 9:34 am “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less.” Mr Ecks May 18, 2018 at 10:46 am “I am a Libertarian-ist, But freedom drives me round the twist, Little folk are much too twee Unless they do what they are told by Mee” The return of Sir Simon* eh? Having belaboured O’s arse to the point of boredom the cunt is back to tell wretched little oiks everywhere how they are going wrong and why he and his womi fuck-buddies know so much how your life should be run. Go home Sir S and get O to piss on you. It would be a vastly more productive user of your time than smearing your dictatorial ordure over the already malodourous Guardian. And it would be less humiliating than exposing your jumped-up womiccumalobus arrogance to the world. *Yes, I remember that last time Sir Scumbag was featured on the blog a pervert pointed out that the character in the “Story of O ” is called Sir Steven. But it is much too good a trope to ignore so artistic licence rules. JuliaM May 18, 2018 at 10:58 am Perhaps he meant to type ‘librarian’…? MC May 18, 2018 at 11:06 am Before we are too harsh on ‘Sir’ Simon, we must consider that he simply has no idea what the word libertarian means. I’ve not really taken any notice of the FOBT debate; I know Guido keep banging on about it. But now I know Jenkins is agin ’em, then it is clear they are a good thing. Gamecock May 18, 2018 at 11:14 am “Perhaps he meant to type ‘librarian’…?” Damn autocorrect! Gamecock May 18, 2018 at 11:17 am Guardian pop-up: ‘We’re changing how we communicate with you.’ Communication is two-way. Professional journalists don’t know the meaning of ‘communicate.’ Or they just lie. No ‘or’ to it. They just lie. Openly, seemingly gratuitously. Gamecock May 18, 2018 at 11:21 am ‘I’m a libertarian, but still I say betting curbs are long overdue’ This is actually a victory. ‘I’m a libertarian’ is a declaration of orthodoxy. He’s not a libertarian, but his feeling that he should say he is is a nod to the validity of libertarianism. It’s a start. So Much For Subtlety May 18, 2018 at 12:39 pm The statement is an interesting one because what is the opposite? I am a prod-nosed control freak? It doesn’t sound anywhere near as nice. It is an odd fact that the libertarians seem to have the higher ground here. Everyone prefers, in general, more liberty and freedom. It is just worthless because in virtually every specific case people want more regulation. At least for their pet peeve. Or if it is to Save The Children. dearieme May 18, 2018 at 12:43 pm I’m a libertarian BUT I believe in free speech BUT I am against private schooling BUT I want more houses built BUT I’m against racial discrimination BUT No doubt there are more. dearieme May 18, 2018 at 12:45 pm Here’s one. I’m not sure about the wisdom of capital punishment BUT I’ll make an exception for Tony Blair. Nt that that’s one you’ll ever hear on the Beeb or read in the G. Rob May 18, 2018 at 2:06 pm Didn’t some fuckwit once describe themselves as a “libertarian paternalist”? MC May 18, 2018 at 2:17 pm Everyone prefers, in general, more liberty and freedom. Well, it’s a nice thought, but I’m not convinced it’s correct. Everyone likes to say they are in favour of liberty and freedom but the evidence suggests otherwise. Gamecock May 18, 2018 at 2:22 pm Their liberty and freedom, not yours. TomJ May 18, 2018 at 3:20 pm It’s not so much that Guido banged on about them, as much as he carried paid advertorials from the casino funded campaign against them. Which shows a great deal of cunning on stuff campaign’s part, putting thinly veiled propaganda where a large proportion of MPs and path hacks would be sure to see it. Silverite May 18, 2018 at 4:29 pm “Didn’t some fuckwit once describe themselves as a “libertarian paternalist”?” That was those “Nudge” wankers The Pedant-General May 18, 2018 at 4:35 pm @dearieme, The Eddard Stark quote is apposite here: “Everything before the word ‘but’ is horseshit” jgh May 18, 2018 at 8:13 pm I almost choked on my tea when I read that this morning, and annoyingly they’d closed the comments by the time I got up. More and more you need to be up at dawn to be able to comment on the Grun articles. He’s no way a libertarian because I know that I am not a libertarian, I am a liberal: do what you like as long as it doesn’t harm others. The definition and measurement of “harm others” is then what is (should be) the core of discussions, not the “stop people doing stuff”. NiV May 18, 2018 at 8:15 pm “Everyone prefers, in general, more liberty and freedom.” Preferences are, in order: 1. *We* get to tell *everyone else* what to do. 2. More liberty and freedom. 3. Somebody else tells *us* what to do. The reason libertarians never get elected is that everyone invariably votes in the optimistic hopes of getting option 1, and always end up with option 3. Bongo May 18, 2018 at 9:01 pm The definitions of what is harmful to others keeps extending. I’ve read that fatties are more likely to have fat friends, and because this link might be causal, you must be cajoled into thinness under threat of being made poor by the government, because you are reducing the healthy life chances of your fellow humans. Surreptitious Evil May 18, 2018 at 10:40 pm Bongo, That’s not the way it will work. It will become mandatory to have a certain %age of bloated “friends” unless you, yourself, are at least 80%+ of an Abbot (105mm not either monk nor Jeremphialiast – although she’s probably a good proportion of the mass of an artillery piece in her , shudders, grundies.) So Much For Subtlety May 18, 2018 at 11:02 pm NiV – “The reason libertarians never get elected is that everyone invariably votes in the optimistic hopes of getting option 1, and always end up with option 3.” Indeed. And at the moment Option 3 is your tranny friends and their refusal to accept reality. I would accept the libertarian option but that is not available. The question is whose Option 3 is on the menu. Pcar May 18, 2018 at 11:29 pm @Ecks, Excellent Pcar May 18, 2018 at 11:30 pm @SMFS & dearieme I’m a libertarian BUT Not if you: Are Goth, TV/TS – Save The Children Are a biker Park your car outside my house…. Bloke in North Dorset May 19, 2018 at 7:45 am “Preferences are, in order: 1. *We* get to tell *everyone else* what to do. 2. More liberty and freedom. 3. Somebody else tells *us* what to do. The reason libertarians never get elected is that everyone invariably votes in the optimistic hopes of getting option 1, and always end up with option 3.” Kip’s Law. Fred Z May 19, 2018 at 3:19 pm “More and more you need to be up at dawn to be able to comment on the Grun articles.” That’s because they are going broke. The bandwidth costs of downloading substantially more comment than original article is killing them. Plus the authors are ever more resentful of the popularity of the comments and their painfully accurate criticisms. NiV May 19, 2018 at 8:34 pm “Indeed. And at the moment Option 3 is your tranny friends and their refusal to accept reality. I would accept the libertarian option but that is not available. The question is whose Option 3 is on the menu.” At the moment you’re still trying to figure out how to vote for option 1 to stamp on this new TG trend. You’re going to get option 3, which is society stamping on the transphobes. Option 2 gives more liberty and freedom to everyone. That includes you, but it also includes the transgender. So long as you put 1 ahead of 2, you’re always going to end up with 3. Until people put 2 ahead of 1, nothing will change. john 77 May 23, 2018 at 2:31 pm “Licence they mean when they say Liberty” If someone with a better memory can give the exact quote, I shall be grateful – meanwhile just take the point. NiV May 23, 2018 at 7:43 pm I did but prompt the age to quit their clogs By the known rules of ancient liberty, When straight a barbarous noise environs me Of owls and cuckoos, asses, apes, and dogs; As when those hinds that were transformed to frogs Railed at Latona’s twin-born progeny, Which after held the Sun and Moon in fee. But this is got by casting pearl to hogs, That bawl for freedom in their senseless mood, And still revolt when Truth would set them free. Licence they mean when they cry Liberty; For who loves that must first be wise and good: But from that mark how far they rove we see, For all this waste of wealth and loss of blood. On the Same, John Milton. Of course, always when authoritarians are justifying why they need to take our freedoms away, ‘Liberty they mean when they cry Licence…’ Who gets to decide which is which? You? (Option 1.) Or them? (Option 3.) Leave a Reply Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment.