Desperate for a hard Brexit, May has shown she has no time for democracy
May is a – weak – Remoaner. She also seems to think that the result of the referendum, the expressed will of the people, be accorded with.
Doing what the people say they want seems pretty democratic. Doing it against your own wishes seems pretty democratic. And she’s not in favour of, nor moving toward, hard Brexit anyway.
She’s not desperate for a hard Brexit at all unfortunately. If anything she wants us in the EU in all but name. Bimoreia wouldn’t know democracy if it bit him on the ar$e
I suspect it’s not so much misreading as outright misinformation on Bilimoria’s part.
The writer doesn’t have to understand politics, just understand what her bearded fruit juice drinkers want to read, which she has, perfectly.
You were a wheel in UKIP Tim.
Yet you appear unphased by the bitch’s treachery ie a Brexit that isn’t ie we won and now a vile cow is trying to destroy that achievement.
Being Portugal side might give a certain level of detachment but it seems a tad strange.
I’m waiting for the game to play out. Might be necessary to gird the loins again. But there’s little point in shouting each and every day over the twists and turns.
My opinion of what will happen is that we’ll rop out with a hard bang. Simply because no one really will sign up to not leaving at all, but people will try to get to that point and won’t.
May is perfectly democratic. What she is not is honest or a person of integrity.
Someone with integrity would have said she could not in good conscience push through a policy she does not agree with. And resigned. Given someone who does believe in it a chance. But she didn’t.
Now perhaps the perks of office were too great for her – she sold out for some nice cars and living at Number 10. But I think she stayed because she, and her supporters, want her to deliver a fake Brexit. One that looks like a withdrawal but actually keeps Britain in. Which is not very honest of her. I can’t see why else she would stay or the “Tory” party would tolerate her.
Starting point: what you want to write and what your readers want to hear such that all the correct prejudices are massage.
Facts: twisted to suit.
Democracy, in the view of Guardianistas consists of doing what they want. Like in various Eastern bloc democratic republics.
May is a democrat and a nice lady. But a weak one. She has always depended on the advice of Civil Servants, taking them as the impartial experts they claim to be- whereas they actually have an agenda, as is clearly demonstrated by the apocalyptic reports they keep issuing. Had May got a grip she would have all those involved with producing such nonsense on indefinite leave on the grounds of incompetence.
I agree with Tim, we will leave with poor preparation because of Civil Service intransigence preventing preparation, May’s inability to see this, never mind overcome it, and nobody willing to be seen to stop it- sure Labour will do all it can to embarrass the government, but even given the chance it won’t openly stop the process.
My guess is there’ll be a fudge and we’ll go “out” in some awful Brussels-driven stitch up that leaves us paying in and taking orders. This is more like what AEP wrote about a couple of days ago in the Telegraph. But then we’ll have to negotiate a proper stable future relationship with the EU. Same thing if we drop out hard – then begins phase 2, and another long drawn out renegotiation. just guesses. I’d prefer the second case, but suspect the first is more likely. we’ll see.
I’ve longed hoped that May will do to the Tories what they’ve done to us.
When you say Tories there is a big difference between ordinary dues-paying mugs like Theo and the shithouses at the top.
Most of the latter crew deserve any thing bad that happens to them.
Except it usually doesn’t. Like that slime Osborne with his 7 jobs etc.
If we could get the FFC’s pension off her that would be something.
Depends what you mean by democracy, doesn’t it? UK’s a representative democracy which means; representing your constituents in what you consider to be their best interests. Which are usually construed as coinciding with your best interests or they wouldn’t have the privilege of your representing them.
So, not a lot.
Further thought: does the EU want a deal? Is it perhaps pretending to negotiate, but all the time pushing us to walk out- by asking for ridiculous things?
AEP in the Telegraph has got Theresa May and her non-Brexit dead right. She is also weak, timid and so out of her depth she doesn’t even recognise the true danger her premiership is now in. She has wrecked the Conservative majority in Parliament and is relying on the calculation that the Brexiteers fear party civil war more than they desire her out of office. The hard calculus is changing every day though. She surely cannot last.
Sorry, Mr E, but the dues-paying mugs deserve it in the neck, too. Nitwits, at best, all of them.
“My guess is there’ll be a fudge and we’ll go “out” in some awful Brussels-driven stitch up that leaves us paying in and taking orders.”
Yes. That is what’s going to happen. And this is not great, but still fine.
All that matters right now is getting to the date without a second referendum, however shitty the deal is. Nothing should disrupt hitting the date. Give the remoaners no opportunity to undo it.
Because once we’re officially out, the remoaners will need a Herculean effort to restore that. It’ll mean building support for re-entry, and those will be on terms the UK public will not support (like accepting the Euro). Once we’re officially out, their campaign will mostly collapse. Too much effort for most of them. And then we just have a load of agreements, standard diplomatic stuff like we have with the USA, Madagascar and Tuvalu. We can easily elect a government that wants to renegotiate them at will.
One thought: should I join Labour? It seems to me that the big danger is a leadership challenge by someone like Chukka who would then whip the party the other way. Having a vote means that I could help keep Corbyn in the job, whipping for Brexit.
@Bloke on M4 +1
It increasingly looks like I won’t get the Brexit I wanted and voted for (fingers crossed for Tim’s prediction that it will all fall apart and we leave on WTO terms, which would be a pain, but not the catastrophe claimed by Continuity Remain), but once we’ve left we would be free to renegotiate the less attractive arrangements as and when needed.
Yet another foreigner given a platform in the Guardian telling the Brits what to think. Cobra beer is crap too.